July 09 2008 Conference Call

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Conference Call Notes

Drafted by Joe Andrieu, July 9, 2008


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  • Joe Andrieu
  • Chris Carfi
  • Dean Landsman
  • Sean Bohan
  • Doc Searls
  • Kaliya Hamlin
  • Iain Henderson
  • Alan Mitchell

Previous Action Items



Next week. Doc reviewed the details. We are looking into bringing in food for lunch. It's mostly a budgeting issue, but we will definitely have coffee and snacks for breaks. Have a couple of classic classrooms, but also have access to the nearby food court which is a great ad-hoc meeting space. So, we can spill over/emigrate if we desire.

How many sessions and timing?

Morning Opening

Missing Berkman Brass, but we might bring in Phil Malone.

1 hour upfront

Baseline Doc: Overall View Joe: Technology Stack Deb: Enterprise Reaction

Marketplace of Ideas (Open Mic) Iain: Personal Datastore Adriana: Mine Keith: Public Radio

Introduction Session Q&A groups? ~30 min

Agenda Making

4 Sessions on Monday

Closing 4:30-5:30

Tuesday 5/6 Sessions on Tuesday, depending on whether or not lunch will be brought in

Promoting VRM

Is it too early to advertise VRM before we really have product?

Some negative feedback from a talk that Doc gave.

Deb: It may be the audience. Some audiences just aren't ready for it. Plus, an initiative in development can be exciting in its own way. That said, it is important to be clear that this is big, and hairy and complicated and we're working on it.

Alan: Can we distinguish the role of the project as an educational actor, from particular details about it?

Dean: It's not so much that we need to "control" it, but that we need to keep certain people from glomming on.

Joe: It seems to me that a big part of our role is to activate folks who are able to reinvent VRM for their own domains. If we over-specify what VRM is and isn't, we may lose some of that.

What Doc wants to do is enlarge the conversation downstream in different ways. Perhaps we should have a downstream meeting with just CRM folks or just with certain Techies.

Perhaps events focusing on particular markets. This parallels the development of Paychoice/Relbutton, coming out of the public radio market.

VRM Principles

New blog post by doc: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/07/09/because-principles-are-good-to-have/

Part of this is focusing on 'commercial' relationships, not all relationships.

One goal is to help educate folks who don't know much yet.

Second is to provide something more concrete to build concrete things like compliance.

Work in progress. Not quite polished as, say, Cameron's Seven Laws of Identity, but its a compilation, a distillation of years.

Part of the post is vetting is for the wiki. And the VRM landing page. Should it be there?

For compliance, it would need more detail to be measurable.

One of the goals for next Tuesday, is leaving with clear understanding and pointers to clear statements of what is and what is not VRM.

We've already seen products asserting a VRM solution, that in fact is initiated by the vendor.

Ad-Hoc Video Streaming

Is there a way to throw up an amateur stream(s) for the public? It'd be great to have multiple webcams streaming live to the net. Let folks choose where & when.

Steve Garfield? Perhaps he can help...

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