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* Suggested short URL for this page = [http://bit.ly/Untwitter bit.ly/Untwitter]
* Suggested short URL for this page = [http://bit.ly/Untwitter bit.ly/Untwitter]


* In a [https://plus.google.com/+PeterSuber/posts/7p45yCCDgE2 June 2016 blog post], I asked, "Is there a well-understood hashtag or abbreviation that means: ''Worth discussing but impossible on Twitter''?"  
 
** At the time there wasn't one. I proposed "WORDBIT" as an awkward acronym for "WORth Discussing But not on Twitter." But it was too awkward and I haven't used it.
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** I'm still looking for one. Let me know if you notice that a good one is emerging.
| style="background:lightgreen; color:black"  | If I point you to this page from one of my tweets, then I'd like to follow up what we were discussing. But Twitter didn't give us the space to do it well, or even to talk about alternatives. — [[Peter_Suber|Peter Suber]].
** If I had one, I'd use it often. I'd also link to this page where I can explain myself.
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== Shifting to a more accommodating platform ==


* I like dialog, but I don't like oversimplification. In fact, I like dialog in part because it helps us avoid oversimplification.
* If I point you to this page from one of my tweets, then I'm proposing that we follow up on a more accommodating platform.
** Hence, I don't like dialog on Twitter. Or I don't like it once it reaches the point when serious contributions require more than 140 characters. For most interesting dialogs, that's fairly early in the process.
*# [mailto:peter.suber@gmail.com Send me an email] and I'll reply by email.
** If I'm in a Twitter dialog and someone asks me a question that requires a longer answer, I'd rather shift the dialog to a more accommodating platform than oversimplify or fall silent.
*# If you have a blog that supports comments, post your question to your blog, [mailto:peter.suber@gmail.com let me know about it], and I'll respond in the comment section. 
*# I have a [https://suber.pubpub.org/ blog that supports comments]. I could start the thread there, and you could respond in the comment section.
** Here's an [https://web.archive.org/web/20170810134605/https://plus.google.com/+PeterSuber/posts/Mx3eCDyebjY example] of the third, from when I blogged at Google+. (I don't have any examples from [https://suber.pubpub.org/ my current blog], which launched in May 2020.)
** If you want the dialogue to be public, the blog options are better than the email option. They let others watch our dialogue, join in, share the URL, and so on. Our back-and-forth could be as public and participatory as on Twitter, but we wouldn't have to stultify ourselves. Moreover, the blog discussion could link to the originating Twitter thread, and the Twitter thread could link to the blog discussion.
* Apologies if the tweet that brought you here seemed unfriendly, because it didn't answer your question and pointed to another page. As you can see, the purpose was to invite further discussion, not shut it down.
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* If I point to this page from one of my tweets, here's what I'm proposing.
== Worth discussing but not on Twitter ==
** Send me an email with your full question or objection. I'll reply by email.
 
** Post your full question or objection to Google+ and I'll reply. If you'd like, I can start the Google+ thread and you can reply.
* In a [http://web.archive.org/web/20190119214727/https://plus.google.com/+PeterSuber/posts/7p45yCCDgE2 July 2016 blog post], I asked, "Is there a well-understood hashtag or abbreviation that means: ''Worth discussing but impossible on Twitter''?"
*** The advantage over email is that others can watch our dialog, join in, share the URL, and so on.
* At the time there wasn't one. I half-seriously proposed a bad one, ''WORDBIT'', for ''WORth Discussing But Impossible on Twitter''. I haven't used it and I'm still looking for something better. Let me know if you see a good one emerging.
*** I know this kind of public, long-form dialog could also work on FB. But I've deliberately deleted my FB account, and [http://www.businessinsider.com/10-reasons-to-delete-your-facebook-account-2010-5 recommend] that you do the same. Let's not go there. For reasons that are similar but not as strong, I don't use LinkedIn.
* If I had one, I'd use it in many of my Twitter threads, while linking to this page where I can explain myself.
*** I know this could also work on Diaspora, Mastodon, and other social-media platforms. While I hope they take off and prove to be superior to G+, they haven't done that yet.
 
== Dialogue without oversimplification ==
 
* I like dialogue. I like responding to questions and objections when I can, including questions or objections about my own work. But I don't like oversimplification. In fact, I like dialogue in part because it helps overcome oversimplification.
* Hence, I don't like dialogue on Twitter. Or I don't like it once it reaches the point when serious contributions require more space than Twitter provides. For most topics worth discussing, that's very early in the process.
* If I'm in a Twitter thread and someone asks me a question that requires a response too long for Twitter, I'd rather shift to a more accommodating platform than oversimplify or fall silent. That's what this page is about.

Latest revision as of 13:41, 31 August 2020

 

If I point you to this page from one of my tweets, then I'd like to follow up what we were discussing. But Twitter didn't give us the space to do it well, or even to talk about alternatives. — Peter Suber.

 

Shifting to a more accommodating platform

  • If I point you to this page from one of my tweets, then I'm proposing that we follow up on a more accommodating platform.
    1. Send me an email and I'll reply by email.
    2. If you have a blog that supports comments, post your question to your blog, let me know about it, and I'll respond in the comment section.
    3. I have a blog that supports comments. I could start the thread there, and you could respond in the comment section.
    • Here's an example of the third, from when I blogged at Google+. (I don't have any examples from my current blog, which launched in May 2020.)
    • If you want the dialogue to be public, the blog options are better than the email option. They let others watch our dialogue, join in, share the URL, and so on. Our back-and-forth could be as public and participatory as on Twitter, but we wouldn't have to stultify ourselves. Moreover, the blog discussion could link to the originating Twitter thread, and the Twitter thread could link to the blog discussion.
  • Apologies if the tweet that brought you here seemed unfriendly, because it didn't answer your question and pointed to another page. As you can see, the purpose was to invite further discussion, not shut it down.

Worth discussing but not on Twitter

  • In a July 2016 blog post, I asked, "Is there a well-understood hashtag or abbreviation that means: Worth discussing but impossible on Twitter?"
  • At the time there wasn't one. I half-seriously proposed a bad one, WORDBIT, for WORth Discussing But Impossible on Twitter. I haven't used it and I'm still looking for something better. Let me know if you see a good one emerging.
  • If I had one, I'd use it in many of my Twitter threads, while linking to this page where I can explain myself.

Dialogue without oversimplification

  • I like dialogue. I like responding to questions and objections when I can, including questions or objections about my own work. But I don't like oversimplification. In fact, I like dialogue in part because it helps overcome oversimplification.
  • Hence, I don't like dialogue on Twitter. Or I don't like it once it reaches the point when serious contributions require more space than Twitter provides. For most topics worth discussing, that's very early in the process.
  • If I'm in a Twitter thread and someone asks me a question that requires a response too long for Twitter, I'd rather shift to a more accommodating platform than oversimplify or fall silent. That's what this page is about.
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