RCS Workshop Real-Time Comments Received
richard-bohn@msn.com First_Name: Richard Last_Name: Bohn Company_Name: Thank you Berkman Center, for giving us the opportunity of listening in on this most important gathering... Whem I listened to the voices of those whom I have known only through postings on lists I am struck by how much of communication is carried upon tonality of voice ... How wonderfull when convergence will allow visual participation by all the future members.... I am thinking that we should assume all the worlds human population now living and all those to come, to be automatic members of ICANN . . . Thanks Again for your efforts on behalf of us all. Richard Bohn
rmeyer@mhsc.com First_Name: Roeland M.J. Last_Name: Meyer Company_Name: Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. The current percieved shortages in both IP addresses and DNS names are artificial. They are contrived. IP shortages are because of huge legacy block allocations. Reclaiming these allocations is a current problem. IPv6 will not solve this problem near-term. DNS name shortages are caused by the current restrictions on TLD assignments and registration of them in the root-servers. These restrictions, on TLD registration, are purely artificial and contrived. The TLD registry must be opened in order to reduce this problem. The point to be made here is that we are all involved in order to prevent the fragmentation of the Internet. This is a serious possibility. If there isn't consensus, in support of ICANN, each major group can go off on its own. There is no technical restriction for this and there are no legal restrictions for this. ICANN can not enforce it's contracts without accompanying international treaty and legislation. This is why governance can never be an issue wrt ICANN, it has no force of arms to back it up. This means that ICANN can never make a ruling, that is not supported by all constituencies, or the Internet will surely fragment.
amr@ngi.org At 04:42 PM 1/23/99 , you wrote: >Thanks. We're just waiting to get a moment to display your message on the >video screen here. >--Wendy Also my greetings to all those having fun up there. You might mention there is a useful history of Internet "Assigning Names and Numbers" article in the latest issue of IEEE Internet Computing at p. 10. See http://www.computer.org/internet/ The following graph - which goes with the article - portrays the entire history on one page. It's at: http://www.wia.org/dns-law/history.htm --tony
djohnson@wilmer.com First_Name: David Last_Name: Johnson Company_Name: Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering It's important to remember that the absence of consensus among the contributing voices is diversity -- the continuing power of dispersed actors and networks to take different approaches. This is a good thing.
rmeyer@mhsc.com First_Name: Roeland M.J. Last_Name: Meyer Company_Name: Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. 1) Current USG practice is to leave such transfer to open bid, per appropriate regulation. 2) The problem is NOT limited to the two modes presented thus far. (trade association and regulatory agency). There is a third alternative, even a fourth. One of them is the co-op model. 3) The SO's have no effective power, even less than the ICANN. 4) Eventually, the ICANN BoD will only have power over who gets entered into the root-servers. 5) There is a fundimental mis-understanding on the relative powers of the SO's. The SO's do not have implementation authority in the ICANN bylaws, as published to-date. They can only make policy recommendatons.
rmeyer@mhsc.com First_Name: Roeland M.J. Last_Name: Meyer Company_Name: Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. 1) Speakers should identify themselves before they speak. 2) "Daniel" has it correctly in that, the ICANN is not, and never will be, a government. 3) There was no summary of the results of the membership break-out sessions and they were not online. 4) Rhoda's point is basically moot. The USG *is* getting out of the Internet business. Why are we wasting air-time on this?
rmeyer@mhsc.com First_Name: Roeland M.J. Last_Name: Meyer Company_Name: Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. Male and female speakers, right now
paulds@bu.edu First_Name: Paul Last_Name: Stauffer Company_Name: You spelled "Karmack" wrong up on the screen... :) - Paul
attyross@aol.com First_Name: Otho Last_Name: Ross Company_Name: Law Office of Otho Ross Someone mentioned a possible distinction between "citizens" and "members". Please clarify. Do you mean citizens of a country? I don't see why country citizenship has any relevance to membership in a global Internet organization. In my view, membership criteria for an Internet governing body should be based upon issues other than citizenship criteria for a country.
amr@ngi.org At 11:16 AM 1/23/99 , RCS Realtime wrote: >It would help us frame the issues if you named 3 such organizations. 1. The regional IP Address registries are themselves examples of long-standing membership bodies. 2. At the national level, non-governmental, membership oriented administrative bodies have been the prevailing model for coordinating use of 3rd level domains. 3. Even in the telecom world, at the regional levels, private sector administrative bodies have been the norm. Continuing use of intergovernmental bodies at the global level in that world are the result of legacy arrangements and remain an anacronism today. 4. Ironically - even more ubiquitous than Internet addresses are Ethernet addresses - which are hard wired into every computer and network device in the world, including some toasters and coke machines. These are managed globally by the IEEE Secretariat, and are and the most ubiquitious identifier encapsulated within IP packets. 5. The plain fact of the matter is that there are countless new network applications and systems being constantly created that require unique names and identifiers. The arrangements are set up usually by within the involved industry segment and assigned to some institution. The entire Internet name and address public phenomenon - which is being manifested here - is a unique chimera that continues to propel itself on its own hype. Twenty years ago it was the New World Information Order and Satellite slots. Marvelous good fun. --tony
rmeyer@mhsc.com First_Name: Roeland Last_Name: Meyer Company_Name: Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc
dsrobson@erols.com First_Name: Darian Last_Name: Robson Company_Name: DARIANS, Org. Don't forget about POOR FOLKS! Darian
dsrobson@erols.com First_Name: Darian Last_Name: Robson Company_Name: ... Don't hit enter when you really mean 'tab'... Will there be anything for the Netizens this afternoon? If so, what time? This REALLY has my interest! Darian
missk@csrlink.net First_Name: Nancy Last_Name: Kopshina Company_Name: State Correctional Institution at Muncy What can the average internet user do to impact on his or her concerns of the future of the Internet? Are there local organizations to represent us? What organizations could we join if time and travel may present a problem? Would local, state or regional organizatons be feasible and have an impact on our concerns? *I want the Internet to be affordable to lower income households. *I work in a prison so I am concerned about the future of crime and scams on the Internet. * Also, I have one phone line and hardly use my phone anymore but have to pay for it. I pay through the IPS for phone line use and again to the phone company and only one line and one phone and one computer. Am I being cheap? Or do I have a right to be concerned about future financial control of the Internet? I feel like I am paying a double phone bill and my main communicaton is now through computers. If technology continues to advance, we won't need phones but will consumers pay for it in another form? *Will obtaining a domain address depend on how large or wealthy your company is? * I want the Internet to remain true to the original mission when it was created. What can the average user do to address and impact on Internet concerns?
amr@ngi.org First_Name: Tony Last_Name: Rutkowski Company_Name: NGI Associates There are actually many examples of similar organizations. What is being done here is hardly unique. It's just coordinating the management of name and address administration - something that is common to almost every communications system in existence. The only basic requirements are to have unique, coherent reference values. There are lots of organizations that have done this over the years. The only difference here is that there are more players and the network is a large-scale self-organizing shared user network. Of course, it's always fun to aggrandize one's role.
attyross@aol.com First_Name: Otho Last_Name: Ross Company_Name: Law Office of Otho Ross Hello, and thank you for the opportunity to participate on-line. It would be helpful if someone briefly outlined the ICANN mission. For example, is it supposed to replace IANA, or does it have a broader mission? Is it intended to replace the mission (or even the existence) of Network Solutions (by, for example, setting up or regulating new domain name registries), or is the mission more than this, such as a governing body for the Internet in general, or something else entirely? Thanks.
cls@flywheel.com Hard to believe that was the Spice girls, unless there's a different spice girls on a nearby planet. RCS Realtime wrote: > > Haven't started yet. Glad to hear the feed is working well. The "artist" > is the Spice Girls. > --Wendy > > At 09:07 AM 1/23/99 -0500, you wrote: > >First_Name: Craig > >Last_Name: Simon > >Company_Name: > > > >It's well after 9AM The real audio feed is playing music. Very good music > by the way. I'd be happy to know who the artist is. But I'm here to hear > the conference. Have you started? Can you get me in? > > > >Craig Simon > >(playing hooky from work) > >
dsrobson@erols.com First_Name: Darian Last_Name: Robson Company_Name: DARIANS, Org. Will there be any video? If not, when will the meeting begin? Thanks, Darian
cls@flywheel.com First_Name: Craig Last_Name: Simon Company_Name: Still hearing great music, but no discussion. At least tell me the name of the CD, please. I remember the last Live Feed from the Berkman Center was a technical mess, too. At least they take their transcript writing seriously Craig Simon (thinks he should have gone to work this morning)
cls@flywheel.com First_Name: Craig Last_Name: Simon Company_Name: It's well after 9AM The real audio feed is playing music. Very good music by the way. I'd be happy to know who the artist is. But I'm here to hear the conference. Have you started? Can you get me in? Craig Simon (playing hooky from work)