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Dsearls: corrected the brackets forming the link

2021-10-03T17:35:45Z

corrected the brackets forming the link

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	ProjectVRM has an active [[https://cyber.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm mailing list]] that runs between five and six hundred members. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.		ProjectVRM has an active [https://cyber.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm mailing list] that runs between five and six hundred members. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.

	Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.		Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.

Dsearls: added a link to the mailing list itself

2021-10-03T17:35:06Z

added a link to the mailing list itself

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	ProjectVRM has an active mailing list that runs between five and six hundred members. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.		ProjectVRM has an active [[https://cyber.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm mailing list]] that runs between five and six hundred members. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.

	Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.		Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.

Dsearls: Added the close quote to "7 habits"

2021-04-02T13:46:59Z

Added the close quote to "7 habits"

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	On the subject of etiquette, there is [https://www.google.com/search?&q=mailing+list+etiquette lots of good guidance in the world]. Nearly all of it is for (and by) organizations that provide many more rules than we have here, and they are all worth reading. Here is ours:		On the subject of etiquette, there is [https://www.google.com/search?&q=mailing+list+etiquette lots of good guidance in the world]. Nearly all of it is for (and by) organizations that provide many more rules than we have here, and they are all worth reading. Here is ours:

	#[https://www.franklincovey.com/the-7-habits/habit-5/ '''Seek first to understand, and then to be understood''']. (Thank you, Stephen Covey. Note that all of what Covey covers in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People "7 habits] are good advice for mailing lists.)		#[https://www.franklincovey.com/the-7-habits/habit-5/ '''Seek first to understand, and then to be understood''']. (Thank you, Stephen Covey. Note that all of what Covey covers in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People "7 habits]" are good advice for mailing lists.)
	#'''Don't characterize other people'''. Nobody likes to be called anything, even if what they are called is accurate. Implicit in any characterization is reduction to a label, or something less than the whole person each of us are. We are all more and other than than any characterization. Being characterized nearly always makes people defensive. And once we start defending ourselves from characterization, the conversation goes sideways to the characterization itself and away from whatever the real subject was in the first place.		#'''Don't characterize other people'''. Nobody likes to be called anything, even if what they are called is accurate. Implicit in any characterization is reduction to a label, or something less than the whole person each of us are. We are all more and other than than any characterization. Being characterized nearly always makes people defensive. And once we start defending ourselves from characterization, the conversation goes sideways to the characterization itself and away from whatever the real subject was in the first place.
	#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.		#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.
	#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.		#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.
	#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.		#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.

Dsearls: Corrected the Covey link in the first point

2021-04-02T13:42:51Z

Corrected the Covey link in the first point

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	On the subject of etiquette, there is [https://www.google.com/search?&q=mailing+list+etiquette lots of good guidance in the world]. Nearly all of it is for (and by) organizations that provide many more rules than we have here, and they are all worth reading. Here is ours:		On the subject of etiquette, there is [https://www.google.com/search?&q=mailing+list+etiquette lots of good guidance in the world]. Nearly all of it is for (and by) organizations that provide many more rules than we have here, and they are all worth reading. Here is ours:

	#[https://www.~~stephencovey~~.com/~~7habits~~/~~7habits~~-~~habit5.php~~ '''Seek first to understand, and then to be understood''']. (Thank you, Stephen Covey. Note that all of what Covey covers in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People "7 habits] are good advice for mailing lists.)		#[https://www.franklincovey.com/the-7-habits/habit-5/ '''Seek first to understand, and then to be understood''']. (Thank you, Stephen Covey. Note that all of what Covey covers in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People "7 habits] are good advice for mailing lists.)
	#'''Don't characterize other people'''. Nobody likes to be called anything, even if what they are called is accurate. Implicit in any characterization is reduction to a label, or something less than the whole person each of us are. We are all more and other than than any characterization. Being characterized nearly always makes people defensive. And once we start defending ourselves from characterization, the conversation goes sideways to the characterization itself and away from whatever the real subject was in the first place.		#'''Don't characterize other people'''. Nobody likes to be called anything, even if what they are called is accurate. Implicit in any characterization is reduction to a label, or something less than the whole person each of us are. We are all more and other than than any characterization. Being characterized nearly always makes people defensive. And once we start defending ourselves from characterization, the conversation goes sideways to the characterization itself and away from whatever the real subject was in the first place.
	#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.		#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.
	#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.		#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.
	#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.		#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.

Dsearls: Took out "Default to writing in plain text." Almost nobody does it, so it's a losing cause.

2021-04-02T13:38:44Z

Took out "Default to writing in plain text." Almost nobody does it, so it's a losing cause.

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	#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.		#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.
	#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.		#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.
	#'''Default to writing in plain text'''. If you don't need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), or long fully-exposed links might interrupt the flow of what you're writing about, writing in plain text assures that what you write will be easy for others to read in whatever typeface and size their email client defaults to. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. Microsoft Outlook text tends to get tiny on Apple's Mail.app, and rich texts from some clients fail to wrap on others), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's, Google's and Microsoft's) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.
	#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.		#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.

Dsearls: Added the final point and made a small change for clarification in the prior one.

2021-02-25T12:44:29Z

Added the final point and made a small change for clarification in the prior one.

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	#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.		#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.
	#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.		#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.
	#'''Default to writing in plain text'''. If you don't need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), or long fully-exposed links might interrupt the flow of what you're writing about, writing in plain text assures that what you write will be easy for others to read in whatever typeface and size their email client defaults to. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. Microsoft Outlook text tends to get tiny on Apple's Mail.app, and rich texts from some clients fail to wrap on others), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's ~~Mail~~, ~~Gmail, Outlook~~) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.		#'''Default to writing in plain text'''. If you don't need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), or long fully-exposed links might interrupt the flow of what you're writing about, writing in plain text assures that what you write will be easy for others to read in whatever typeface and size their email client defaults to. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. Microsoft Outlook text tends to get tiny on Apple's Mail.app, and rich texts from some clients fail to wrap on others), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's, Google's and Microsoft's) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.
			#'''If you share links, make sure they don't include tracking text.''' Typically, this text begins with a ? and a pile of text that has nothing to do with the actual location of the URL being shared.

Dsearls: Changed the opening paragraph to correctly state the rough number of members.

2021-02-25T12:39:29Z

Changed the opening paragraph to correctly state the rough number of members.

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	ProjectVRM has an active mailing list ~~of around 600 participants~~. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.		ProjectVRM has an active mailing list that runs between five and six hundred members. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.

	Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.		Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.

Dsearls: Changed the first sentence to say "around" rather than "more than"

2017-12-22T14:44:25Z

Changed the first sentence to say "around" rather than "more than"

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	ProjectVRM has an active mailing list of ~~more than~~ 600 participants. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.		ProjectVRM has an active mailing list of around 600 participants. You can see the archive and subscribe [https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/projectvrm here]. Because the archive is exposed on the Web, it is public. Bear this in mind when you post to the list.

	Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.		Our main frame is VRM. But subjects can be anything.

Dsearls: clarified the plain text thing

2017-11-29T00:00:17Z

clarified the plain text thing

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	#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.		#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.
	#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.		#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.
	#'''~~Write~~ in plain text'''. If ~~there is not~~ need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), writing in plain text assures that what you write ~~won't~~ be ~~hard~~ for others to read. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. ~~looking too small~~, ~~or failing~~ to wrap), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's Mail, Gmail, Outlook) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.		#'''Default to writing in plain text'''. If you don't need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), or long fully-exposed links might interrupt the flow of what you're writing about, writing in plain text assures that what you write will be easy for others to read in whatever typeface and size their email client defaults to. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. Microsoft Outlook text tends to get tiny on Apple's Mail.app, and rich texts from some clients fail to wrap on others), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's Mail, Gmail, Outlook) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.

Dsearls: Added a missing )

2015-04-06T19:20:06Z

Added a missing )

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	On the subject of etiquette, there is [https://www.google.com/search?&q=mailing+list+etiquette lots of good guidance in the world]. Nearly all of it is for (and by) organizations that provide many more rules than we have here, and they are all worth reading. Here is ours:		On the subject of etiquette, there is [https://www.google.com/search?&q=mailing+list+etiquette lots of good guidance in the world]. Nearly all of it is for (and by) organizations that provide many more rules than we have here, and they are all worth reading. Here is ours:

	#[https://www.stephencovey.com/7habits/7habits-habit5.php '''Seek first to understand, and then to be understood''']. (Thank you, Stephen Covey. Note that all of what Covey covers in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People "7 habits] are good advice for mailing lists.		#[https://www.stephencovey.com/7habits/7habits-habit5.php '''Seek first to understand, and then to be understood''']. (Thank you, Stephen Covey. Note that all of what Covey covers in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People "7 habits] are good advice for mailing lists.)
	#'''Don't characterize other people'''. Nobody likes to be called anything, even if what they are called is accurate. Implicit in any characterization is reduction to a label, or something less than the whole person each of us are. We are all more and other than than any characterization. Being characterized nearly always makes people defensive. And once we start defending ourselves from characterization, the conversation goes sideways to the characterization itself and away from whatever the real subject was in the first place.		#'''Don't characterize other people'''. Nobody likes to be called anything, even if what they are called is accurate. Implicit in any characterization is reduction to a label, or something less than the whole person each of us are. We are all more and other than than any characterization. Being characterized nearly always makes people defensive. And once we start defending ourselves from characterization, the conversation goes sideways to the characterization itself and away from whatever the real subject was in the first place.
	#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.		#'''Don't use "you" statements'''. These put people on the defensive as well.
	#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.		#'''Don't flame'''. This includes baiting. It's a subtle thing. Usually it's saying something you know is going to piss people off. We've had relatively little of this; but it's still worth bringing up.
	#'''Write in plain text'''. If there is not need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), writing in plain text assures that what you write won't be hard for others to read. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. looking too small, or failing to wrap), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's Mail, Gmail, Outlook) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.		#'''Write in plain text'''. If there is not need to format what you write (e.g. bold, italic, links, bulleted or numbered lists), writing in plain text assures that what you write won't be hard for others to read. There are so many ways that formatted (aka "rich") text in one mail client will look wrong in another (e.g. looking too small, or failing to wrap), and only one way that is always easy to read. That way is plain text. Sadly, all major email clients today (e.g. Apple's Mail, Gmail, Outlook) default to "rich" text. But it's worth setting up your email to default to plain text, and switching to rich text when you need it. Find out how to toggle those, and you'll make life easier for yourself and everybody else.