March 8 2007 Meeting notes
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Conference Call Notes
Drafted by Joe Andrieu, March 8, 2007
Next VRM Conference Call: Thursday March 8 at 10:30 AM Pacific / 1:30 PM Eastern
Please note: different dial-in number effective as of the next call.
Here are all the key details:
- VRM Conference Call
- Date: Thursday, March 8, 2007
- Time: 10:30 PDT, 1:30 EST
- Dial-in Number: 1-218-486-1300 Please note, this is the NEW NUMBER to use!!
- Conference Bridge Access Code #: 170658
As usual we are going to record the call for potential future use as a reference audio or podcast. The MP3s of the two prior calls can be found on the Community Portal page of the Project VRM wiki.
Do you have an agenda item for the call? Please send it to the group (or to me, if you're feeling shy).
Some members of our group have had timing conflicts (other calls or meetings) with the day and time of these Thursday calls. If a Wednesday call would be better, please advise. Let's do our best to maximize participation and productivity.
Previous Meeting Links
(please update with last names & IM if you'd like a backchannel during the call...)
- Kevin Marks
- Kevin Baron
- Iain Henderson
- Joe Andrieu
- Dean Landsman On IRC: deanland On AIM: deanlandsman
- Nick Givotovsky
- Chris Carfi
- Tom Hawkin
- Doc Searls
|open id on wiki||david||no date|
|group blog/RSS to wiki (venus)||doc||no date||up, but only one author|
|project VRM definition||doc||1 week||still working on it|
|Set up Jabber Host for conference calls||doc||no date||new|
This call moving to Wednesday. Same time.
National Public Media
In the hosting business, it would be great to have RFPs and responses where you could compare providers without knowing their names, then follow up after a first filter.
Large companies have hugely different needs from small companies. So, there will be more than one split than just B2B and B2C.
Indeed, there are many vertical/horizontal distinctions that can and should be pulled apart. We should put as many ideas as we can onto the mailing list and blog: as many use cases, potential businesses, etc. The whole VRM category is extremely large. Lets break it into pieces and get that started.
Dean: ok. Let's get a B2B thread going on the blog.
Access by License Requirements
This appears to be a catch-22.
Perhaps there is a Creative Commons approach around the licensing.
Distinguishing not WHO you are but THAT you are could be very useful for access. For example, instead of identifying the person in particular, identify the credentials.
This would be open immediately to gaming the situation. Which would be the role of the 3rd party identity provider/claims verifier.
There are apparently parallel situations in the semiconductor industry. Shortage expectations can create phantom demand, which implicates expected fulfillment by exacerbating the shortage.
- The Bullwhip Effect (Chris will post)
This resonates with a prior topic of meaningful consequences in the VRM commons. Do folks who make false claims have any meaningful consequences?
Note from editor: I'm not sure I got this part right. Doc?
We have partners and interested parties in this space who want to help. NPR, TRX. TRX: how do we match demand with supply using the distribution system that is in place? That distribution is in-place. Primarily an inventory of programs that are wholesaled to stations from NPR, PRI, TRX and others. Most listeners, however, want to pay for just "This American Life" not just her local station. And if you try to do that, you are also signing up for a bunch of spam via the membership paradigm.
Dave Sifry had a really good idea. "I'd like to put a short-code on my cell phone that pays some money to whoever I was just listening to. And maybe that could be escrowed until the demand piles up enough to be worth doing something with it."
These guys do see the writing on the wall. The mechanism is accepted as "broken". And their product is inherently freely available. So what we need to do is reduce payment friction, increase convenience in other ways. Part of this is "How do we pay for public goods"?
The bit that's broken is the geographic link in the channel, while distribution is no longer geographic thanks to the net.
Interesting, the local stations are very motivated to increase local control and local content.
Enabling the flow of money and enabling the listener to have some control over that flow of money. There will no doubt be issues--legal, logistic, and otherwise--but the answer seems to be giving the power to the user. That probably scares a lot of people.
The regulatory regime we have right now is one that makes a distinction between streaming/downloading by subscription and otherwise.
There is a proposed VRM process. However, it is young and needs iteration. Let's take the Public Media and shephard it through that, revising as appropriate. There's some shared concern that the process may be too bureaucratic, and yet there is definitely interest in a mechanism to streamline and rally our efforts.
There are projects that will be essentially "internal" to Berkman's efforts and others spurred externally and driven by other entities. Our process should support both of these types of projects.
In May, we'll be reconvening a VRM session at the next Identity Workshop. There are some interesting potential overlaps, so we should come prepared to whiteboard out ideas and implementation approaches. Hopefully we can get more Berkman folks showing up.
Identity is a critical aspect of VRM. This is a huge problem. Authentication and Signon is still completely hosed. Something is going to solve this. Some mashup or revision of current approaches. Who knows? But once that happens, once there is something that belongs to us, that relieves us of going through a signup process every time we go somewhere.
Quite a bit more adoption in the field for OpenID.
Update on contact information.
Clean up for new people.
Development needs verses a public need.
- How to Contribute
- VRM People
Joe will organize a planning meeting next wednesday.
|open id on wiki||david||no date|
|group blog/RSS to wiki (venus)||doc||no date||Done, but needs multiple authors|
|project VRM definition/vision statemnts||doc||tomorrow||still working on it|
|write up Public media initiative||Doc||Monday||new|
|Set up Jabber Host for conference calls||doc||next week||new|
|Polish VRM website||Joe||meeting in one week Next Item||new|
|Bullwhip effect reference||Chris||Tomorrow||new|
March 21, 1:30PM EST/10:30AM PST