April 16 2008 Conference Call

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Conference Call Notes

Drafted by Joe Andrieu, April 16, 2008


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  • Joe Andrieu
  • Dean Landsman
  • Doc Searls
  • Keith Hopper
  • Renee Lloyd
  • Iain Henderson
  • Chris Carfi
  • Drummond Reed
  • Alan Mitchell

Previous Action Items



Introduction to Renee Lloyd. She is a lawyer with lots of experience with startups and engineers, including open source efforts and at RSA. Some time at the IP offices of Harvard. Now at Berkman, advocating the law and role of lawyers in a positive, helpful framework.

Vision Committee (Dean)

Wikipedia sandbox page has been developed. Please check it out and contribute.


We would like to get this polished enough to move to Wikipedia before next week in Munich.

Doc remains on the button for a white paper on the VRM vision. That has been interrupted a bit by the recent medical engagements.

Sean Bohan (and others) have made excellent progress on a VRM Maturity model. Please take a look and give feedback. Solid document, but now needs to work through consensus to approval and annointment by our benevolent dictator.

Standards Committee (Joe)

Challenges getting outside input on the Personal Address Manager. Consensus is that we get the most engagement in real-time, in-person meetings. So let's do more of those.

Several good Relbutton conversations. Next step from the standards perspective is to map out, in the PayChoice case, what the desired relations are for the radio stations. PayChoice is fairly straightforward, but there are other ways to relate to a given audio program. Let's figure those out and we can talk about how we use the relbutton to manage those relations.

This American Life experimented with a direct support request that only went out on a podcast. The result was far higher than expected.

Re: iTunes, Doc wants to get this far enough downstream so we can say here are the icons, here are the liberty pieces, here are the public interactive pieces... present a fait-accompli to the folks at Apple.

Question: are there issues with Liberty's links? Doc says not really. CardSpace already represents the WS* side of things (which is not Liberty). Drummond agrees. The Liberty perspective verse the MS perspective verses OSS perspective... we can't say any one of those are right. The market will sort it out.

Keith mentioned conversations with Parity to understand what they offer. He will also be talking with folks from WBEZ and KCRW, who expressed interest in the relbutton at the Media Re:public forum.

Doc & Renee discussed how the contract & access rights terms can be modularly standardized, akin to Creative Commons, with their three criteria: machine readable, human readable, lawyer readable.

The different kinds of data could be presented or shared according to these common terms.

What we need to do next is to unpack the potential ways we can relate. The traditional membership fee and t-shirt is just one model. There are other ways to construct the relationships.

Organization Committee (Doc)

Started a conversation with Renee about how we might protect VRM from being hijacked as a marketing term. There's a thought that we need an organization in place. But maybe there are other options.

Usage Committee (Adriana)

no report

Compliance Committee (Iain)

Will be preparing a proposal based on using a UK based organization.



Joe will be there. Charles Andres might be. Iain and Doc won't make it. Not sure about anyone else.

We expect about 20-25 folks there, which is enough to get some energy going, but still intimate enough for Doc to contribute from someone's laptop.

Open Discussion

Twitter Feed

Keith Hopper created a VRM pipe clone in the twitterverse using @vrm. @vrm now retweets VRM posts from folks it is following (which is most of the VRM leadership).

Action Items

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Next Meeting

April 30 2008 Conference Call