May 9 2007 Meeting notes

Conference Call Notes

Drafted by Joe Andrieu, May 2, 2007

IRC

1. vrm at chat.freenode.net

Prior Conference Calls

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May 2, 2007

• meeting notes 2007 05 02

March 21, 2007

• meeting notes 2007 03 21
• audio 2007 03 21

March 8, 2007

• meeting notes 2007 03 08
• no audio

February 21, 2007

• no meeting notes
• audio 2007 02 21

February 8, 2007

• meeting notes 2007 02 08
• audio 2007 02 08

Attendees

(please update with last names & IM if you'd like a backchannel during the call...)

• Joe Andrieu on JABBER: jandrieu@jabber.links.org
• Iain Henderson
• Dean Landsman
• Kevin Barron
• Doc Searls
• Matt Terenzio
• Drummond Reed

Status

what	who	when	status
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open id on wiki	david	no date
static website development	doc, dean, joe, chris	no date
group blog/RSS to wiki (venus)	doc	no date	up, but only one author
project VRM definition	doc	1 week	still working on it
brainstorm Initiatives	all	ongoing
Set up Jabber Host for conference calls	doc	no date	new

Joe: remind Dean about transcript.

Notes

Agenda

• Update from Doc on Brussels
• IIW
• June 4th Discussion
• Use cases
• VRM blog
• Web page
• Point from last call

Brussels

Identity Open Space, hosted by Bret McDowell and run by Kaliya Hamlin.

Great talk given by JP Ragaswami: "Because of" effect of making money "because of" rather than "with" a particular technology.

What Iain is working on is quite a detailed document on B2B VRM.

Ben Laurie invited Doc up to visit Google. He's one of the Apache leaders, now doing stuff for Google.

Good diagram that brought together a bunch of VRM-related concepts. The main thing that came out for Iain was the interest by the Liberty Alliance guys to contribute to VRM. He agreed to join the Liberty Alliance. His hope is that we will join him.

Doc mentions Paul Madsen (of Liberty) had already contributed to the wiki, but it went away.

Paul had presented a working framework that is already workable, using standards-based exchanges for VRM. Liberty is probably the most down-stream of the identity systems for data to be trustably exchanged in an enterprise framework.

One thing we should explore is how to match up technologies like Liberty, like what Iain is working on, with particular use cases and how that would play out. Doc is going to be talking tomorrow/Friday morning with some of the Higgins folks. Higgins is a framework for multiple identity systems. I'd like to outline where some of these different technologies fit in.

Adriana was also there. Iain and she will be meeting tomorrow to continue the conversation. She works with J&J among other companies. Doc met with them last October at a meeting. They are interested in exploring VRM and Adriana is the link into them.

IIW

Let's try to set up a call-in conference at one of the break-outs so that folks who can't be there in person can join in for a session.

June 4

At Berkman in Harvard, we've set up to have a meeting on VRM. Berkman has an affiliation with the Internet Study Center (or something like that) at Oxford. And they have a really good teleconference set up that might be useful for folks in the UK.

We'll be discussing VRM in the AM and public radio/media in the afternoon.

Public Media/Public Radio

On the ride back from Brussels, Doc & Ben had an interesting conversation about the public media effort and Ben thinks that particularly use case has a viable solution using a relatively small number of use cases.

The interesting challenge there is pulling apart transaction and relationship. Generally, it works today by buying membership from a station, which in part means an unending supply of junk mail and solicitations.

What I'd like to do for the Berkman meeting is to come up with ideas for how that might be done. How we might separate the membership relationship from a simple, targeted contribution to a particular program.

So, perhaps we can create a solution cobbling together some technologies, then start working through organizational and political issues to get the solution deployed. There's a national organization, each station has its own issues, and then each producer of the individual shows. All of three have their own concerns and challenges.

Even if it doesn't work... Doc would like to see it fail for political rather than technical reasons. So lets find the technical solution and then work through the politics.

Keith Hopper of Public Interactive suggested that what we need is a new public station or make a new Internet-only national station, in order to try out whatever it is that we are going to do. That could be a working test-bed. It could have its own problems, but since Keith suggested, he might have a better idea of what might be involved with that. PI handles pretty much all the technology for public radio.

Use Cases

• Public Radio
• Personal Data Silos
  • Customer retain the memory of prior interactions with a particular supplier

Stories: Doc told story about problems with a vendor where the history of the customer service was problematic.

We need a totally agnostic body, a clearinghouse where both vendors and users can go without fear of mining, spamming, or fishery--not Google or Yahoo, etc. But somewhere that vendors & users have equal, shared control of the relationship-related data.

Drummond Reed mentioned his own efforts to solve this problem (commercially).

Dictionary/Glossary

It is critical that we have a common terminology, common glossary so as we move forward, we can actually have a clear understanding of what we are doing.

IIW 2007

The next major live even for VRM development, evangelizing, and camaraderie is the Internet Identity Workshop in Mountain View, May 14-16. Many of us will be there. We hope you can join us.

Action Items

what	who	when	status