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==Conference Call Notes== | ==Conference Call Notes== | ||
Drafted by Joe Andrieu, February 8, 2007 | |||
==Other Calls== | |||
[[Category:conference call]] | |||
[[:Category:conference call]] | |||
===Invitation=== | |||
VRM Conference Call - Thursday February 8 at 10:30 AM Pacific / 1:30 PM Eastern | VRM Conference Call - Thursday February 8 at 10:30 AM Pacific / 1:30 PM Eastern | ||
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Please note: we are going to record the call for potential future use as a reference audio or podcast. | Please note: we are going to record the call for potential future use as a reference audio or podcast. | ||
See you (well, hear you) then and there. | See you (well, hear you) then and there. | ||
===Attendees=== | ===Attendees=== | ||
* Dean | *Britt | ||
* Iain | *Dean | ||
* Whit | *Iain | ||
* Joe | *Whit | ||
* Tom | *Joe | ||
* Kevin | *Tom | ||
* Doc | *Kevin | ||
*Doc | |||
*(not there) Chris ''Dean, thx for the debrief, and Joe for the notes.'' | |||
===Status=== | ===Status=== | ||
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|'''what'''|| '''who'''||'''when'''||'''status''' | |'''what'''|| '''who'''||'''when'''||'''status''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|'''----------'''|| '''----------'''||'''----------'''||'''----------''' | |'''---------- '''|| ''' ---------- '''||''' ---------- '''||''' ---------- ''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|open id on wiki||david ||no date | |open id on wiki||david ||no date | ||
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|brainstorm Initiatives||all||ongoing | |brainstorm Initiatives||all||ongoing | ||
|- | |- | ||
|relationship/expression matrix||chris/deb||feb 1 | |relationship/expression matrix||chris/deb||feb 1||'''DONE''' | ||
|} | |} | ||
===Notes=== | ===Notes=== | ||
(These are not well attributed. sources vary. these notes do not represent the consensus of the group, but rather comments by individuals) | |||
*IM/IRC/Jabber backchannel would be a good thing | *IM/IRC/Jabber backchannel would be a good thing | ||
*Shared VRM Blog might just work as tag-based feed aggreation | *Shared VRM Blog might just work as tag-based feed aggreation | ||
*VRM fix to Yahoo/Flicker problem: accumulating acquired companies' signons ''and'' accumulating users' signons. Can we make headway by coming at this from the user side? | |||
*Fractional horsepower/Personal RFP same thing? (Sure: Joe) | |||
**Any known existing technologies | |||
***EB-XML | |||
***EDI | |||
***RosettaNet | |||
*We have to conform to existing businesses and business practices, so that supporting VRM appears as "money over the transom". | |||
*Where does VRM touch existing commerce systems: | |||
**Sun | |||
**IBM | |||
**SAP | |||
**HP | |||
*Do we need sign on? | |||
**No, because shopping ''should'' be publicly accessible | |||
**Yes, because not all information will be made available to the public | |||
**Yes, because vendors need additional information | |||
**We need some persistent identity, ala cookies, for relationships to accrete around. (Signons are one way to do that.) | |||
*Note that we should probably be talking to people in marketing. | |||
*[http://iiw.windley.com/wiki/Workshop_2007 Internet Identity Workshop] May 14-16, 2007 at Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA | |||
*Desire for a meeting focused on individual initiatives, with vendors participating | |||
*Target is a potential VRM supporter. Nate Garven has apparently dones some interesting things and we have some relationships there. | |||
*DRM & Apple. This is an important development, for Jobs to step up and advocate abandonment of DRM. | |||
**What we need are big names and big companies who can step up and agitate/advocate/work towards a new vision. | |||
**What can we find that is user-driven, user-centric, that can help resolve the DRM dilemma and simultaneously open up the silos. | |||
* Public Radio & VRM approach to fundraising that can make it easier to have users pay for what they consume? | |||
*What are our goals? | |||
**Near term | |||
***At a practical level, conversational activities and projects going forward. Growing the wiki. Who is doing what? Etc. | |||
***Organizational development: team building, process creation, community development, initiative facilitation | |||
***Real initiatives with progress from problem definition through to real Protocols. | |||
***Forum for discussion that isn't tied to any particular commercial interest. The goal is to create tools that are open source and ubiquitous. | |||
**Long term | |||
***Fixing the market. Getting rid of or reducing the kind of unproductive asymmetries we have between supply side and demand side, at least in the b2c world. | |||
***Reduction of transaction costs, especially around the transaction costs of vendor-customer relationships. Law & Economics has shown that when transaction costs are non-existent, resources naturally allocate to the highest utility use. Every reduction in transaction costs increases our overall alignment and use of resources. | |||
===Action Items=== | ===Action Items=== | ||
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|'''what'''|| '''who'''||'''when'''||'''status''' | |'''what'''|| '''who'''||'''when'''||'''status''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|'''----------'''|| '''----------'''||'''----------'''||'''----------''' | |'''---------- '''|| ''' ---------- '''||''' ---------- '''||''' ---------- ''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|open id on wiki||david ||no date | |open id on wiki||david ||no date | ||
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|brainstorm Initiatives||all||ongoing | |brainstorm Initiatives||all||ongoing | ||
|- | |- | ||
|relationship/expression matrix||chris/deb||feb 1 | |relationship/expression matrix||chris/deb||feb 1||'''DONE''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|Set up Jabber Host for conference calls|| | |Set up Jabber Host for conference calls||doc||no date||''new'' | ||
|} | |} | ||
==Next Meeting== | |||
February 22, 1:30PM EST | |||
Latest revision as of 12:22, 25 July 2007
Conference Call Notes
Drafted by Joe Andrieu, February 8, 2007
Other Calls
Invitation
VRM Conference Call - Thursday February 8 at 10:30 AM Pacific / 1:30 PM Eastern
As discussed at the January 25th meeting in Redwood City, there will be a Project VRM Conference call on Thursday, February 8th at 10:30 AM Pacific / 1:30 PM Eastern.
Here are the conference call details:
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2007 Time: 10:30 PDT, 1:30 EST
Dial-in Number: 1-712-432-3000
(Note that the other number that used to be listed here doesn't work.)
Conference Bridge Access Code #: 170658
Please note: we are going to record the call for potential future use as a reference audio or podcast.
See you (well, hear you) then and there.
Attendees
- Britt
- Dean
- Iain
- Whit
- Joe
- Tom
- Kevin
- Doc
- (not there) Chris Dean, thx for the debrief, and Joe for the notes.
Status
| what | who | when | status |
| ---------- | ---------- | ---------- | ---------- |
| open id on wiki | david | no date | |
| group blog/RSS to wiki (venus) | doc | no date | still working on it |
| project VRM definition | doc | 1 week | still working on it |
| thurs, 1:30pm EST concall setup | dean | 8 feb | DONE |
| Initiative brainstorm page | joe | 1 feb | DONE |
| brainstorm Initiatives | all | ongoing | |
| relationship/expression matrix | chris/deb | feb 1 | DONE |
Notes
(These are not well attributed. sources vary. these notes do not represent the consensus of the group, but rather comments by individuals)
- IM/IRC/Jabber backchannel would be a good thing
- Shared VRM Blog might just work as tag-based feed aggreation
- VRM fix to Yahoo/Flicker problem: accumulating acquired companies' signons and accumulating users' signons. Can we make headway by coming at this from the user side?
- Fractional horsepower/Personal RFP same thing? (Sure: Joe)
- Any known existing technologies
- EB-XML
- EDI
- RosettaNet
- Any known existing technologies
- We have to conform to existing businesses and business practices, so that supporting VRM appears as "money over the transom".
- Where does VRM touch existing commerce systems:
- Sun
- IBM
- SAP
- HP
- Do we need sign on?
- No, because shopping should be publicly accessible
- Yes, because not all information will be made available to the public
- Yes, because vendors need additional information
- We need some persistent identity, ala cookies, for relationships to accrete around. (Signons are one way to do that.)
- Note that we should probably be talking to people in marketing.
- Internet Identity Workshop May 14-16, 2007 at Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA
- Desire for a meeting focused on individual initiatives, with vendors participating
- Target is a potential VRM supporter. Nate Garven has apparently dones some interesting things and we have some relationships there.
- DRM & Apple. This is an important development, for Jobs to step up and advocate abandonment of DRM.
- What we need are big names and big companies who can step up and agitate/advocate/work towards a new vision.
- What can we find that is user-driven, user-centric, that can help resolve the DRM dilemma and simultaneously open up the silos.
- Public Radio & VRM approach to fundraising that can make it easier to have users pay for what they consume?
- What are our goals?
- Near term
- At a practical level, conversational activities and projects going forward. Growing the wiki. Who is doing what? Etc.
- Organizational development: team building, process creation, community development, initiative facilitation
- Real initiatives with progress from problem definition through to real Protocols.
- Forum for discussion that isn't tied to any particular commercial interest. The goal is to create tools that are open source and ubiquitous.
- Long term
- Fixing the market. Getting rid of or reducing the kind of unproductive asymmetries we have between supply side and demand side, at least in the b2c world.
- Reduction of transaction costs, especially around the transaction costs of vendor-customer relationships. Law & Economics has shown that when transaction costs are non-existent, resources naturally allocate to the highest utility use. Every reduction in transaction costs increases our overall alignment and use of resources.
- Near term
Action Items
| what | who | when | status |
| ---------- | ---------- | ---------- | ---------- |
| open id on wiki | david | no date | |
| group blog/RSS to wiki (venus) | doc | no date | still working on it |
| project VRM definition | doc | 1 week | still working on it |
| brainstorm Initiatives | all | ongoing | |
| relationship/expression matrix | chris/deb | feb 1 | DONE |
| Set up Jabber Host for conference calls | doc | no date | new |
Next Meeting
February 22, 1:30PM EST