Re: [projectvrm] Facial recognition's 'dirty little secret': Millions of online photos scraped without consent

[Benjamin Goering < >]

What I meant by " Aggregation/bundling is one of the most fundamental ways of creating value." was referring to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_bundling

(not data aggregation specifically).

Decentralization is cool, until you want to search everything or find the good stuff. Then real humans doing real things relaly benefit from aggregation, and they have/will pay for it in currency and nonmonetary goods/services. Decentralization and aggregation are two sides of the same coin.

> Isn't that the essence of surveillance capitalism?

I read too much metaphysics and never really understood what anyone meant by 'essence'. Data aggregation is no more the essence of surveilance capitalism than FISA court gag orders are.

> At what point does the value created through private or government aggregation turn into coercion / slavery?

In my experience, never, but I acknowledge the alternative experience of others' as valid too.

Theoretically, once whoever has a monopoly on violence starts using the threat of that violence or withholding of human rights to coerce you to behave a certain way, and enforces that coercian through surveilance. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-credit/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains-idUSKCN1GS10S

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 5:52 PM Adrian Gropper < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:56 PM Benjamin Goering < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Aggregation/bundling is one of the most fundamental ways of creating value.

Isn't that the essence of surveillance capitalism? Should society encourage value creation by allowing anyone other than the subject themselves to aggregate data about them? At what point does the value created through private or government aggregation turn into coercion / slavery?

Adrian

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