Re: [ON] {CC-Exec} Re: [projectvrm] Design Contest for "No Stalking" symbol

[Don Marti < >]

begin Don Marti quotation of Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 01:57:24PM -0700:
> begin Doc Searls quotation of Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 12:40:09PM -0400:
> 
> > Don first explained CHEDDAR here: 
> > <http://blog.aloodo.org/posts/new-acronym/ 
> > <http://blog.aloodo.org/posts/new-acronym/>>.
> 
> Let's make a CHEDDARscape -- if you have a CHEDDAR
> tool, ad network, or other product or service, send
> me a pull request with a logo, link, and a brief
> description of why your thing is CHEDDAR.
> 
>   https://github.com/Aloodo/cheddarscape

Now up at: http://cheddarscape.aloodo.com/ -- company
and project suggestions welcome.  I'll clean up the
design to fit more logos later.

> > Doc
> > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, mary hodder 
> > > <
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> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Brian,
> > > Cheddar is the technical framework that Don Marti worked up and shared 
> > > with us at VRM day in April.
> > > 
> > > It's meant to allow non-stalking, not tracking based ads through, while 
> > > barring other ads including those based upon tracking, buying and 
> > > selling of data etc.
> > > 
> > > Read Doc's post here on the overall topic and Cheddar in particular. 
> > > https://blogs.harvard.edu/vrm/2016/05/11/why-a-nostalking-deal-is-good-for-publishers/
> > >  
> > > <https://blogs.harvard.edu/vrm/2016/05/11/why-a-nostalking-deal-is-good-for-publishers/>
> > > 
> > > Don,
> > > Not sure if Cheddar has it's own site now to describe the framework.
> > > 
> > > Mary
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Brian Erdelyi 
> > > <
 
> > >  
> > > <mailto:
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> > >  wrote:
> > > Mary,
> > > 
> > > I'm not familiar with Cheddar.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure how no stalking encompasses buying and selling of data.
> > > 
> > > With Clearware, I had icons to depict collecting of personal 
> > > information and collecting of non-personal information.  I had another 
> > > icon to respect that information was shared.
> > > 
> > > I was trying to use non biased language to depict common terms fond in 
> > > EULAs.
> > > 
> > > Brian
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:40 AM, mary hodder 
> > > <
 
> > >  
> > > <mailto:
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> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Brian,
> > >> No stalking vs. No tracking can be changed in the language, sure. One 
> > >> reason we liked No Stalking is that it encompasses more than just 
> > >> tracking: the buying and selling of data in addition to direct 
> > >> tracking, the use of malware, etc.
> > >> 
> > >> Cheddar, as the technical framing for this, covers more than direct 
> > >> tracking and so as a name for the button and the selection, No 
> > >> Stalking attempts to map along with Cheddar.
> > >> 
> > >> What do you think about this?
> > >> 
> > >> mary
> > >> 
> > >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Brian Erdelyi 
> > >> <
 
> > >>  
> > >> <mailto:
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> > >>  wrote:
> > >> I think "no stalking" is fine as it could be done without ads.  
> > >> Perhaps even soften the language to "no tracking"?
> > >> 
> > >> B
> > >> 
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> 
> > >> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:29 AM, mary hodder 
> > >> <
 
> > >>  
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> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> Hi Tim,
> > >>> You're right.. we asked for "no stalking" not "no ads that reflect 
> > >>> stalking or surveillance."
> > >>> 
> > >>> We can go back and ask for tuning, and also suggest that variant. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Do you (and others) think we should ask for that change? or ask for 
> > >>> iterations that reflect the additional understanding?
> > >>> 
> > >>> mary
> > >>> 
> > >>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Doc Searls 
> > >>> <
 
> > >>>  
> > >>> <mailto:
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> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Tim Walters 
> > >>>> <
 
> > >>>>  
> > >>>> <mailto:
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> > >>>>  wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> I read the design brief, and I have to say, none of them strike me 
> > >>>> as intuitively indicating "I'll accept non-surveillance ads.”
> > >>> 
> > >>> Well, some of them don’t *not* say it. 
> > >>> 
> > >>>> #1260584, from jellareed, comes closest, in my view, but still 
> > >>>> doesn't quite capture it. How about the old Mad Magazine Spy vs. Spy 
> > >>>> character, holding a big magnifying glass, with an anvil about to 
> > >>>> fall on his head? ;-) 
> > >>> 
> > >>> To me that one looks like a football with a “no placemarker” (or 
> > >>> something) symbol on it.
> > >>> 
> > >>> While I like the magnifying glass element, I think it’s a bit too big 
> > >>> and non-simple. But I can be swayed, maybe.
> > >>> 
> > >>> I like the bar through the eye. It says “no eye,” as in “no spying.” 
> > >>> Or could. The barred eye in the rectangle (meaning screen, like on a 
> > >>> computer or a phone) in #1258971 
> > >>> <http://www.hatchwise.com/entry-for-973133-1258971-6939> makes sense 
> > >>> to me. Larger format: 
> > >>> http://www.hatchwise.com/entry-for-973133-1258971-6939 
> > >>> <http://www.hatchwise.com/entry-for-973133-1258971-6939>.
> > >>> 
> > >>> I get that they’re using green because that’s a Customer Commons 
> > >>> symbol color. (Or at least I think that’s why they’re using it.) But 
> > >>> green also means “go." Wonder how the one above would look with red 
> > >>> substituted for green?
> > >>> 
> > >>> More thoughts?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Doc 
> > >>> 
> > >>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 8:17 PM, mary hodder 
> > >>>> <
 
> > >>>>  
> > >>>> <mailto:
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> > >>>>  wrote:
> > >>>> Hi All,
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Take a look:
> > >>>> http://www.hatchwise.com/logo-design-for-contest-973133 
> > >>>> <http://www.hatchwise.com/logo-design-for-contest-973133>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> There are 23 entries.. a couple are very interesting.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Please send feedback to me or for the list to discuss. Contest is up 
> > >>>> in 4 days.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Thank you,
> > >>>> mary
> > >>>> 
> > >>> 
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