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Re: [projectvrm] Linkage of tracking to authentication in the wild


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  • From: Doc Searls < >
  • To: mary hodder < >
  • Cc: Adrian Gropper < >, ProjectVRM list < >
  • Subject: Re: [projectvrm] Linkage of tracking to authentication in the wild
  • Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 23:02:14 -0400

As a bonus link, there’s a slashdot post that points to this by Tucows, parent of Ting and Hover, all of which are among us here:


Doc

On May 8, 2016, at 10:31 PM, mary hodder < " class=""> > wrote:

Just read through the comments to the end. It's like being at a VRM day.

But this one in particular, while a known issue, is interesting:

Re:We should never expect or accept tracking (Score:5, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07, 2016 @10:29PM (#52068945)

Unless you're someone who goes "oh shiny - must have" it doesn't affect you, and if advertising affects you that much, you have bigger problems.

I work in the micro-targeting business and we love people like you. It is the ones who think they are immune to the work we do that are actually the most susceptible because you'll never see it coming. It hasn't been about in-your-face advertising for at least a decade.

It is about swaying you without you even realizing you are being swayed. Here's an egregious example: One of our clients sells alcohol. They use our data to figure out who has alcoholics in their family and then we send them snail-mail coupons for significant discounts on their products, sometimes even completely free, because we know that alcoholism has genetic and environmental components that family members often share and because 10% of the population accounts for 50% of the industry's profits. [washingtonpost.com] Those are the people they want to sucker in. And guess what? When the data shows that a heavy drinker has stopped drinking, we send them coupons for freebies too. But we don't just mail them out directly, we have them printed up in their newspaper or their magazine subscription. So it isn't obvious that they've been singled out.

And then there are the politicians (and their superpacs). They use our service to figure out exactly what people's hot button issues are so their campaign and best push those buttons to make them vote for their candidate. [washingtonpost.com] Or if there is little chance of getting them to vote for their guy, they do their best to make the voter disgusted with "the other guy" so that they just stay home and don't vote at all. All the big ticket campaigns - presidential and congress do this now and some of the in-state races for important districts are doing it too because it is getting cheaper and cheaper every day.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg. This is the largest industry on planet earth. Facebook alone is valued at 350 BILLION DOLLARS predicated solely on their ability to manipulate people. It doesn't matter how much mental fortitude you have, you will succumb at some point. My company alone has a 10 million dollar budget for pure research in the field of psychology as it applies to swaying people. As the apocryphal saying goes, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time..."

The only way to win this game is not to play.


On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Adrian Gropper < " target="_blank" class=""> > wrote:
http://m.slashdot.org/story/310941

Adrian


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