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Re: [projectvrm] The Verge vs. Ad & Tracking Blockers


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  • From: Doc Searls < >
  • To: StJ Deakins < >
  • Cc: Steven Groves < >, ProjectVRM list < >
  • Subject: Re: [projectvrm] The Verge vs. Ad & Tracking Blockers
  • Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 23:52:01 +0200


On Sep 19, 2015, at 3:52 PM, StJ Deakins < " class=""> > wrote:

Hi all, I haven't posted here for a while

Great to have you back! 

To all lurkers and infrequent-ers: come on in. The water’s warm.

but have been following the ad blocking discussion with great interest. It seems to me that the simple answer is to give people personal agency and the ability to opt-in to ads and brands that they want to interact with (essentially VRM).

Exactly.

FWIW, I’ve been writing about the adblocking thing (and the larger context that we’ve been talking about for awhile) here. The series:
I think this thing is coming to a head, that it will be a big one, that we in the VRM community need to be in front of it, and that we should try to make peace while all the mainstream media are calling it war, because that’s the cheap, easy and simplistic thing to do.

Ads pay for an open and ubiquitously available internet.

Actually, they pay for ad-supported sites and services on the Web; not the Net. This may seem a minor distinction, but it’s not. The Net is defined and maintained by protocols and other tech that are much deeper than the Web. More about that here.

I’m not saying that maintaining network connections has no costs. They do. But most of them aren’t borne by advertising. They are by us, in what we pay our ISPs and mobile carriers for connections.

This is incredibly important to the continued development of a global, benevolent and inclusive web. E.g. A farmer in Botswana can use free Google spreadsheets because of brand offering information (paid ads and earned/native content) that I actually want to see when I'm considering what car to buy in the UK.

Advertising is not the only way to pay for services such as whatever the Botswana farmer uses to get on the Net and do things there. Even Google knows that, which is why they’re diversifying as fast as they can. That’s the deeper story behind Alphabet, by the way.

So, for me, the issue is not advertising per se - advertising has helped pay for content in real life since the dawn of the media age in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds. 

It’s also essential to make a distinction between 1) Madison Avenue type brand advertising, which has high signal value and takes in top dollar in print and broadcast media; and 2) tracking-based adtech, which is called advertising, is descended from junk mail, and has the same model (and often the same success rates) as spam. A line needs to be drawn between these, and fast.

The problem is that the current digital ad system is downright dysfunctional, exploitative and set to destroy the very ecosystem that it relies on.

Exactly.

There are parallels with overfishing of the oceans. People block and 'disappear' from the digital sea because they're being exploited. This systemic "fishing" attitude is unsustainable. The ecosystem will soon collapse. The digital marketing systems that we currently have clearly need to be evolved - and very quickly. 

It needs to be made clear that what’s dysfunctional and exploitative is based largely on unwanted tracking. 

Yes, there are other forms of bad acting, such as popovers and all that, but the main distinction we need to make is between advertising’s wheat and chaff. This is the “nuance” that Marco Arment, the maker of Peace, the instantly bestselling ad blocker for IOS 9, needs the next rev of his app to respect. (Context.) Note: while Adblock Plus’s “acceptable ads” whitelist is a worthy effort, it doesn’t draw the same clear distinction we’re talking about here. Also, only Adblock Plus defines it.

We're quoted about it at the end of this article on the BBC site today: 

Nice move! Well done.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34268416
"A new model is to put users of the internet in control of their own data.

Agreed.

Let them decide who they trade it with and for what reward," (and we will be sharing more about what we're building to try to solve this issue shortly).

Well, that’s one option, and I dig that it’s what you’re working on. But let’s also admit that most personal data has use value rather than sale value. Look at the GBs or TBs of data on our hard drives. Did we put it there so we can sell it? Or because we want to keep it, and maybe use it again?

To be clear, I’m not denying that some of that data has sale value. And I think that’s an avenue worth driving down. I’m just pointing out that use value matters too. (I wrote some stuff about this several years ago here.)

Would love to hear thoughts. 

StJ 

Thanks!

Doc (in a hurry between obligations in Prague…)



On Friday, 18 September 2015, Steven Groves < " class=""> > wrote:
Love the irony... maybe they're doing research and needed to stage all the trackers so they can talk about them.

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Doc Searls < > wrote:
See <http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/17/9338963/welcome-to-hell-apple-vs-google-vs-facebook-and-the-slow-death-of-the-web>.

With PrivacyBadger enabled, the page won’t load. With PrivacyBadger disabled, the page does load — full of tracking jive, sez Ghostery:



It’s 12:40am here (Prague) and I need to hit the sack, or I’d say more. 

Doc 



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