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RE: [projectvrm] surveillance Barbie


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  • From: "T.Rob" < >
  • To: "'Dan Miller'" < >, "'Don Marti'" < >
  • Cc: "'John Havens'" < >, "'Devon M T Loffreto'" < >, "'Identity Coach'" < >, "'Project VRM'" < >
  • Subject: RE: [projectvrm] surveillance Barbie
  • Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 00:15:24 -0400
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> Whether it is creepy, entertaining, or helpful is up to individual owners and the motives of the product providers.

 

Ubi performs the voice processing locally and doesn't need to send recordings of sounds from within my home to the cloud.  If something is fully functional without an Internet connection, and doesn't phone home the moment it is connected, I don't think I'll ever find that creepy.  With the right architecture, the motives of the product providers are moot in evaluating whether it is creepy, entertaining, or helpful.

 

Why is it about making peace with the privacy invasion instead of demanding architecture built with privacy by design?

 

Kind regards,

-- T.Rob

 

 

From: Dan Miller [mailto: ]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 21:28 PM
To: Don Marti
Cc: John Havens; Devon M T Loffreto; Identity Coach; Project VRM
Subject: Re: [projectvrm] surveillance Barbie

 

Hi Judi (et al):

The idea of addressing "intent" swings both ways. "Surveillance Barbie" was inevitable. Speech recognition is getting better. "Natural Language Understanding" has moved to real time. Whether it is creepy, entertaining, or helpful is up to individual owners and the motives of the product providers. Ditto for Jibo, Pepper and a slew of other "home robots" that are under development.

These devices are not always conversational. They can understand utterances, the "learning" may be a bit overblown by the marketing hype. But the potential to learn and be truly helpful is up to the ability to pursue common objectives. Some sort of social contract between person and machine is implicit, but needs to be made explicit.

-Dan

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Don Marti < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

begin John Havens quotation of Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 08:54:24PM -0400:
>
> Surveillance Barbie.
> Jibo the home robot in the States.
> Pepper the robot in Japan.

  Teddy...
  http://opalcp12.wikispaces.com/file/view/I+Always+Do+What+Teddy+Says.pdf

> Same trend, different shapes. All observing intimate family interactions and sharing data to the Cloud.

  Good quote from the article:

  "The data is never used for anything to do with
  marketing or publicity or any of that stuff. Not
  at all," Jacob said.

  If "consumers" love to "connect and share" then why
  are companies so quick to say when they're _not_
  doing surveillance marketing?

  Gs pump test:
  http://zgp.org/~dmarti/business/gas-pump-test/

  (The one brain cell that fires off the This Ad
  Creeps Me The Hell Out message? It knows more
  behavioral economics than the entire #lumascape.)



> > On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Devon M T Loffreto < "> > wrote:
> >
> > Go to International Toy Fair sometime...observe the average age of decision makers (sellers)... then observe the hiring practices of major retailers (buyers)... then observe the sourcing tactics of these W2 workers as they constrict the market to define strategic options...
> >
> > Welcome to the modern marketplace.. innovation and W2 labor structures do not collide well.
> >
> > Customers and W2 labor structures do not collide well.
> >
> > Privacy and W2 labor structures do not collide well.
> >
> > Small business innovators and the major market distribution forces run by W2 labor do not collide well.
> >
> > The problem is not the "corporation"... the problem is the structure of labor... and the decision trees they can do nothing but fall towards like a sinking ship in a whirlpool.
> >
> > "Get them tech geeks to upgrade Barbie... that'll sell"
> > "Hows yer 401k doing?"
> >
> > Owning the buy cycle erases the concept of a "customer"... owning leverage is not a passive role, and it is not a tail wagging a dog either. The power flip of aggregation requires self-control... seeking stability in lieu of personal authority is the name of the game for the W2... the trade goes in one direction, and it never comes back around.
> >
> > The vrm partnerships between buyers and sellers only become possible when the structure is equally actionable.
> >
> > Free and easy wont get you there.
> >
> > But it does get you Facebook, the NSA and cyberBarbie.
> >
> > Devon
> >
> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Identity Coach < "> > wrote:
> >> FYI, because we need more creepy corporations listening to the private conversations of our little girls and their families: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/11/privacy-advocates-try-to-keep-creepy-eavesdropping-hello-barbie-from-hitting-shelves/
> >>
> >> ...
> >>> To revive the sinking sales of its flagship brand, Mattel is bringing Barbie to life with voice-recognition software that will allow the doll to "listen" to children speak and give chatty responses. It will learn over time, remembering your dog's name and adjusting to new topics.
> >>
> >> Dan Miller, is this "conversational commerce" at work?
> >>
> >>   j.
> >

--
Don Marti
http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
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