Re: [projectvrm] VRM in healthcare (even if they don't call it that)

[John Wunderlich < >]

Count me in, schedule permitting.

John Wunderlich

Privacist @PrivacyCDN

On 20 February 2015 at 16:42, RealEstateCafe < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

I would as well.

Bill Wendel

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On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Kevin Cox < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

I would very much like to join.

Kevin

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Adrian Gropper < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Let's set up a Google hangout or Quicochat http://qiqochat.com/213/hotline and we can go through the presentation or not. Suggest a time or two and anyone else will join.

Adrian

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:34 PM, =Drummond Reed < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Adrian, as I was watching it I was thinking about you with almost every slide.

I'd personally be very interested in understanding your perspective in much more detail—not necessarily a slide-by-slide dissection, but it would help me to understand what the real barriers are to VRM in healthcare. I know it's a battle you've been fighting for a very long time, and your battle stories are incredibly valuable.

Thanks,

=Drummond  

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Adrian Gropper < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

I'm sorry Drummond but I find this well-meaning talk to be misinformed and misleading in almost every way. This is a field that I've devoted the last 10 years of my life and well over $1 million to and to see other doctors (like this entrepreneur, I too had a radiology perspective on the problem) being seduced by a toxic series of national policies makes my blood boil. I write this because, "Once fooled, shame on you. Twice fooled, shame on me." and I can't let this go. (the you here is the presenter, of course).

This is not VRM and, at least in healthcare, thinking that hospitals will introduce VRM is delusional. I'm happy to dissect the presentation slide by slide if folks on the list are interested.

I'm just as happy to urge you all to just move along, there's nothing to see here folks...

Adrian

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:26 AM, =Drummond Reed < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

If you're interested in how the principles (if not the name) of VRM are coming to healthcare, watch this 14 minute video (+6 mins Q&A) of a presentation at last September's Stanford Medicine X conference from the Chief Innovation Officer of Health Companion.

It's all about patient-centricity. You'll see several slides that look exactly like personal clouds exchanging data under user control, just with different labels.

You'll also see a nice plug for DirectTrust, which grew out of the secure email-based health data sharing work that Brian Behlendorf talked about after the dinner at the last VRM day.

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