Re: [projectvrm] Paying Adblock to not block

[Doc Searls < >]

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Don Marti 
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>  wrote:
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> begin Aurelie Pols quotation of Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 09:27:15PM +0100:
> 
>> So basically AdBlock Plus is defining what's acceptable, judge and arbiter
>> at the same time?

On the whole I'm inclined to cut pioneers some slack. Also to salute them 
open sourcing enough of their code that others can run with it. If I'm not 
mistaken (and I'll gladly sit corrected), Emmett's Web Pal 
<https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/emmett-web-pal/chemfkcdhkijhallcfamihbdnnocoako?hl=en&gl=US&authuser=1>,
 which Customer Commons uses <http://customercommons.org/about-web-pal/>, is 
built on ABP code.

> Users can always choose an alternate list.
> The default list reflects one company's opinions,
> but you can always tweak it.
> 
> But most users pick
> 
> * whatever gives you free stuff
> 
> * if the amount of free stuff is the same, pick the
>   default
> 
> ...so picking sensible defaults matters.  Apple has
> done a good job with third-party tracking in the
> Safari browser so far, and Firefox is on the right
> track (or absence of track) too:
>  
> http://monica-at-mozilla.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/tracking-protection-in-firefox.html

I love the subtitle of her blog <http://monica-at-mozilla.blogspot.com/>: "In 
search of user sovereignty and tab sovereignty." 

I see here <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/monica-chew/1a/156/413> that she is 
the lead privacy engineer at Mozilla, and based in the Bay Area. Some people 
on this list know her. (At least in the Linkedin way.) It would be good to 
have her (and them too!) in these conversations.

> With decent tracking protection in place --
> and with high-reputation sites promoting it in
> order to minimize data leakage -- user demand for
> broad-spectrum ad blockers is likely to go down.
> 
> (Yes, for high-value sites, data leakage is a bigger
> problem than ad blocking.  This is where the Mozilla
> advertising and tracking protection project align.)

That makes sense to me instinctively, but I'd like to see it unpacked a bit 
more.

Doc

>> Why does this remind me of the issue about RTBF where it's in Google's
>> hands to curate content and decide what gets forgotten and what not?
>> Leaving financial considerations and territorial limitations aside on these
>> 2 topic matters and while I have to confess a current "*penchant"* for
>> self-regulation as opposed to pure legislation, this does feel kind of out
>> of whack.
>> I do like the last paragraph of https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads
>> though, got to hand it to them "the results of our survey say something
>> different", cute
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Don Marti 
>> <
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>>  wrote:
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>>> begin Dan Miller quotation of Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 10:49:37AM -0800:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/2/7963577/google-ads-get-through-adblock
>>>> 
>>>> Forgive me if someone already posted this article. It's precious.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, "acceptable ads" is an out-of-date
>>> concept for many current web designs.
>>> 
>>>  For pages featuring a reading text ads should not be
>>>  placed in the middle, where they interrupt the
>>>  reading flow. However, they can be placed above the
>>>  text content, below it or on the sides.
>>> 
>>>  https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads
>>> 
>>> So a nice-looking design like Quartz does not have
>>> "acceptable" ads because ads can appear when scrolling
>>> a long article, but a crap-ass legacy WCMS that splits
>>> a shorter article into 9 pages is A-OK.
>>> 
>>> As far as I can tell, targeted third-party ads can
>>> buy into the "acceptable" program too, which does
>>> nothing for improving the value of the medium.
>>> (Please correct me if I'm wrong here.)
>>> 
>>> At this point it's probably better for users to
>>> skip Adblock Plus and go straight to Disconnect or
>>> Privacy Badger.
>>> 
>>>  https://www.eff.org/privacybadger#how_is_it_different
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Don Marti
>>> http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
>>> 
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Aurélie Pols
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