Re: [projectvrm] Respect Network Launch in London… Big Bang or Damp Squib?

[Don Marti < >]

I have to agree with Graham on this one.  Commercial
partners don't have to participate in a complex
exchange, because they can get the data and assent
they need without it.

At some point, privacy tools will be far enough along
that the commercial partners are the ones pushing
for this kind of thing, because they're shut out
of getting it on a one-way basis.  But who's going
to go to a marketing meeting and say, "you know
all that user data we're taking, on our own terms?
Let's start negotiating for it instead."

At VRM day, the first point on the first day was to
_assume_ privacy, because none of this stuff works
without it.

It will be a good sign when sites start _asking_
me to join -- that will show that privacy is finally
making an impact.  (In the personal data store, VRM
is the cash register; privacy is the loss prevention
department.)

Don

begin Doc Searls quotation of Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 02:18:33PM +0100:
> 
> I'll let Drummond and other RN folks answer the specific questions below. 
> For myself I'd just like to say I wish you could have been here for this 
> week's events. Today's Immersion Day has been a terrific opportunity for 
> developers and others to present what they are working on, and answer lots 
> of tough questions. At some point the video will be up, and that will let 
> other interested folks learn more about it.
> 
> Doc
> 
> On Jun 24, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Graham Reginald Hill 
> <
 >
>  wrote:
> 
> > Doc
> >  
> > I had a look at the Respect Network website, and in particular, at the 
> > list of commercial partners. Why are there so few 'commercial partners' 
> > for the Network. And what exactly do the three that are there - Neustar, 
> > Swisscom and NEX - actually provide to members? The Network doesn't 
> > feature on any of their websites (try searching on 'respect network' if 
> > you don't believe me).  It strikes me that the Network will remain an 
> > interesting sideshow until it reaches a critical mass of commercial 
> > partners that make it worthwhile for normal customers to sign up to the 
> > Network. That the Network charges USD 25 to become a member suggest that 
> > it hasn't been specifically designed with the start-up economics of 
> > multi-sided markets in mind. Hagiu wuld probably agree 
> > http://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/strategic-decisions-for-multisided-platforms/.
> >  
> > Having built the Respect Network, I wonder if a million members will 
> > actually come. Do you know how many are there currently and what the 
> > expected growth curve look like?
> >  
> > Sadly, I won't be thinking of joining until there are significantly more 
> > commercial partners enrolled that account for a significant proportion of 
> > my weekly spending, and even when there are, I will still be asking the 
> > $64,000 question... What's in it for me?
> >  
> > Best regards from Cologne, Graham
> >  
> > -- 
> > Dr. Graham Hill
> > 
 
> > UK +44 7564 122 633
> > DE +49 170 487 6192
> > http://twitter.com/GrahamHill
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamhill
> > http://www.customerthink.com/graham_hill
> > 
> > Partner
> > Optima Partners
> > http://www.optimapartners.co.uk
> > 
> > Senior Associate
> > Nyras Capital
> > http://www.nyras.co.uk
> >  
> >  
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Juni 2014 um 10:42 Uhr
> > Von: "Doc Searls" 
> > <
 >
> > An: "ProjectVRM list" 
> > <
 >
> > Cc: "Nathan Schor" 
> > <
 >,
> >  "=Drummond Reed" 
> > <
 >
> > Betreff: Re: [projectvrm] Respect Network launch in London
> > Also, this is a shakedown cruise. All help is welcome. We're here for 
> > each other.
> >  
> > Doc
> >  
> > On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:07 AM, =Drummond Reed 
> > <
 >
> >  wrote:
> >  
> > I too want to thank everyone who came to the event. Part 2, our Immersion 
> > Day, is today.
> >  
> > Nathan, good point about the main home page -- extensive contact info is 
> > on our info site at http://info.respectnetwork.com/. But we need to 
> > integrate a contact link on the home page.
> >  
> > =Drummond 
> >  
> > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Nathan Schor 
> > <
 >
> >  wrote:
> > Doc,
> > Thanks for heads up on RN new site. On a quick pass RN’s site looks great 
> > and communicates compelling reasons why folks should sign up. But at the 
> > end, perhaps an oversight.
> > <image003.jpg>
> > Notable by its absence is *contact info*. It’s omission doesn’t 
> > communicate willingness to converse, so isn’t aligned with trust. 
> > Including multiple ways to communicate – email, snail mail, Twitter, and 
> > especially phone number –  sends a subtle but very effective signal that 
> > you’re ready and waiting for a two-way conversation. Even more, that 
> > message should be prominent on top left besides its usual location at 
> > bottom.
> > I was also surprised there was not nothing about the world tour on the 
> > home page.
> > Nathan Schor 305.632.1368 
> > 
 
> >  
> > From: Doc Searls 
> > [mailto:
 ]
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:06 PM
> > To: ProjectVRM list
> > Subject: [projectvrm] Respect Network launch in London
> > 
> >  
> > Some links...
> > 
> >  
> > Peter Vander Auwera's The Revolution of the Data Slaves
> > 
> >  
> > My two posts:
> > 
> >  
> > A New Data Deal, starting today
> > 
> >  
> > #TakeBackControl with #VRM
> > 
> >  
> > Respect Network's new site.
> > 
> >  
> > #vrm on twitter
> > 
> >  
> > #TakeBackControl on twitter
> > 
> >  
> > Much thanks to the 100+ who came to the event.
> > 
> >  
> > See you tomorrow (or today, as I write this...).
> > 
> >  
> > Doc
> > 
> 

-- 
Don Marti                    
http://zgp.org/~dmarti/