Re: [projectvrm] Disruption and consumer power

[Don Marti < >]

Mary, yes, hopefully we'll end up with something
closer to the civility level of search engines vs. SEO
than the level of virus vs. antivirus or spam vs.
antispam.

We'll probably end up with legit companies and
competent people on both the surveillance marketing
side and the privacy side.

Don

begin Mary Hodder quotation of Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 04:34:21PM -0700:
> 
> Don,
> 
> I get what you are saying below.. about the see-saw quasi-balance between 
> two sides (spammers vs. email anti-spammers)..
> 
> My point below that you quoted.. is more about the arguing, or "hating" as 
> the Scoble post and follow-on comments discussed (his supporters said
> that the privacy people where hating on Scoble -- but Scoble was kind of 
> hating on the privacy advocates he perceives as extreme)..
> 
> For me the spam / anti-spam war or the surveillance vs. total privacy both 
> function at the extremes.. even if they settle into something that appears 
> balanced
> but where the sides exist at the extremes.
> 
> Living at the extremes, talking from the extremes is not a helpful 
> conversation, even if it makes people feel good to hate on something they 
> don't like
> or can't have empathy toward people that are different from themselves. 
> 
> And my point was that there is a middle, a conversational middle where it's 
> not about extremes only where they tend to devolve into fights, trolling, 
> hating, etc.
> 
> One of the challenges I see for Project VRM is how to have a more middle 
> discussion, between parties that don't necessarily agree but who aren't 
> at or pushed to extremes.. to come up with something rational and balanced 
> that allows individuals to be respected parties in digital interaction.
> 
> mary
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Don Marti wrote:
> 
> > begin Mary Hodder quotation of Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 03:02:51PM -0700:
> > 
> >> Again.. it's a balance. We can still love our technology.. but 
> >> critically assess what is going on and deal with it accordingly.
> > 
> > We worry about technology imbalance the most.
> > 
> > Spammers used to have better technology than
> > end users (Canter and Siegel used a Perl script...
> > http://www.wired.com/2010/04/0412canter-siegel-usenet-spam/
> > ).  People worried about spam.  Then companies
> > chose sides and it all settled down to an
> > electricity-wasting spam vs. antispam background
> > struggle.
> > 
> > Today, surveillance marketing is ahead technically.
> > The worst part of the problem is that the business
> > has not yet consolidated, and everyone thinks that
> > his or her company can get a piece of it. 
> > 
> > (Will be interesting to watch IT vendors switch
> > sides as their Big Data Rush claims fail to pan out.
> > If you think today's FUD is bad, get ready for ads
> > that appeal to the hard-wired UNSEEN ENEMY IS WATCHING
> > YOU circuit in our monkey brains...)
> > 
> > Bonus link:
> >  Why A San Francisco Coffee Shop Stopped Tracking
> >  Customers' Phones
> >  
> > http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/20/why-a-san-francisco-coffee-shop-stopped-tracking-customers-phones/
> > 
> >  (there is also a Kashmir Hill RSS feed...
> >  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/feed/
> >  )
> > 
> > -- 
> > Don Marti                    
> > http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
> > 
 
> 

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Don Marti                    
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