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Re: [projectvrm] What will happen if/when Facebook opens up a facial recognition API?


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  • From: John S James < >
  • To: Lucas Cioffi < >
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  • Subject: Re: [projectvrm] What will happen if/when Facebook opens up a facial recognition API?
  • Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:04:44 -0400

Also for the "right now" list -- I recall websites that would let you look at clubs or bars around town, to see what crowd had shown up. That was a couple years ago; haven't seen them since. The bar owners had to install the cameras, and may have found them unprofitable. The curiosity motive for patrons to show up would be eliminated, and if the establishment was empty, there wouldn't be much motive left.

But suppose there were incentives to let one's glasses or phone report pictures of one's surroundings? Suppose the sites could create a virtual-reality image of the club scene representing the last 20 minutes or so, changing the perspective and using all the reporting devices, making it hard to tell who's devices were spying. Will this be a future source of conflict?


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Lucas Cioffi < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
Hi All,

Interesting points, especially about the liability of "Who holds the risk?" for a real-time facial recognition search engine.  To be clear, I'd rather not see a search engine where you can track where people are in real time without their consent, but I feel that it's more likely than not to be created some day.  

It would be pretty amazing to be able to see a live video feed of practically anywhere in the world, though.  I would be surprised if we don't have that in 10 years for major metropolitan areas.  Interactive TV where you control the camera angle and latitude/longitude would be lots of fun and quite empowering (and dis-empowering if you were the one being watched or would no one care anymore?).  If we could literally watch live footage of the civil war in Syria right now, would that affect our apathy towards it?  Dunno.

As a stepping stone towards into that world, it may also be interesting to some folks on the list to read about a company in France that lets digital billboards watch and classify passersby into demographic groups: http://www.quividi.com/vidireports.html I even met someone here in my small town of Charlottesville, Virginia who is doing that same thing, so I figure there must be dozens of others that we've never heard about.

With facial recognition, technologies like this could probably charge more per impression, for example, to target the one Congressman who chairs the committee which regulates the coal industry who just happens to be walking by one of these billboards.

This topic also touches on search engines which answer the question "What is happening right now?"  Present day technologies hint at what is possible:
  • Travel time from some places to some other places right now: Google Maps
  • Random, sporadic reports on pretty much anything right now: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc
  • Average wait time at the Post Office or the deli at the corner right now: nothing yet
  • Nearest friend right now: Foursquare (somewhat)-- this is where ubiquitous facial recognition sensors could fill this gap.  No thanks, though!
It's all fun to think about...

Lucas Cioffi
Charlottesville, VA


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jim Bursch < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
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On 4/8/2014 8:39 PM, Lucas Cioffi wrote:
Hi All, this one's for the futurists out there...

These days, if the average person's geographic location is made public, that person usually is the one who made it public using a service like Foursquare.

In the future, do we expect that to not be the case?  If Facebook opened up a facial recognition API, would we expect that most public, geographic check-ins would instead be made by third-party apps & hardware without consent of the one who gets checked-in?  

For example, I'm guessing many people would jump at the chance to get free car insurance in exchange for mounting a facial recognition scanner to the roof of their car.  The driver gets free insurance, and while driving to pick up groceries, he uploads a few hundred people's locations to some company's cloud.

I could see a bunch of new applications for data like this.  For example, if my company is competing with another company, then I could pay $100 to use a search engine which could tell me all the buildings that the competing CEO has walked into over the past 2 years and which new clients he/she has been meeting with this week.

These questions come to mind: 
How is this good/bad?  Is this inevitable?  Does this change human behavior in significant ways?
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