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Re: [projectvrm] EZPass tracking goes beyond toll booths


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  • From: Doc Searls < >
  • To: Devon M T Loffreto < >
  • Cc: Brian Behlendorf < >, ProjectVRM list < >
  • Subject: Re: [projectvrm] EZPass tracking goes beyond toll booths
  • Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:46:26 -0400

+1


Doc

On Sep 14, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Devon M T Loffreto < "> > wrote:

In the simplest of terms... the reason there is no real war to wage presently is that there is no one to shoot.

No malicious actors threatening your life... in literal immediate terms.

Data has not fully taken its first breath of life. We are building its lungs... its veins... its blood supply.

But one day... what *WE* think about ourselves in hard structural administrative Terms is going to be made fully manifest in technical form... and what we are then is why what we do now matters.

If Individual Human sovereignty is dissipated in this procession...at some point it won't matter that there has been no enemy... because we will be no better then oil... decayed life... broken down bits.

That will fail hard... and these generations will be remembered like Nazi's are... enemies of Humanity.

Write code in every language you can... and make sure you preserve your own fossil record with some Human dignity...and DONT Zuck over your own people, their friends or your customers...whatever the distinction.

Devon
Own Yourself... Make the World.
Noizivy.org

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013, Don Marti wrote:
>
> begin Adrian Gropper quotation of Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 06:49:45PM -0400:
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>> I'll see your license plate readers and raise you with facial recognition
>> http://epic.org/privacy/facerecognition/
>
>
>  Don't forget tire pressure transmitters:
>  https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/04/tracking_vehicl.html

Or a coming standard, DSRC (Dedicated Short Range Communications), also known as V2V (vehicle to vehicle) which transmits your speed, bearing, braking status, and potentially even data like last date of maintenance to vehicles around you, for safety purposes.  It's already been field tested on trucks in Europe.  The NTSB is said to have approved a mandate this year for deployment soon, after the NHTSA concluded it could prevent 80% of crashes.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/car-hive-mind-will-an-ntsb-v2v-mandate-make-roads-safer/

There are *some* privacy controls built in, but it's still likely susceptible to the kind of fingerprinting attacks that we see with web browsers (e.g. EFF's "Panopticon").  Here's a preso from Defcon this year on it:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/159155945/DEFCON-21-Dudley-Privacy-in-DSRC-Connected-Vehicles

(CHeck out slide 16 for the kinds of data transmitted)

As hard as I'll fight for anonymity/pseudonymity online, I fear we may have to concede the fight for physical/locational anonymity/pseudonymity. Maybe we can carve out safe areas - bars, bedrooms, Burning Man - but the avalanche of both state and private means for keeping track of who-what-where both feels daunting to fight and rather too appealing in its upside.  Please prove me wrong!

Brian





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