Re: [projectvrm] EZPass tracking goes beyond toll booths

[Dan Miller < >]

Google also says that of had integrated the Waze data into its display. 

On Friday, September 13, 2013, Doc Searls  wrote:

A side issue for another thread on another list (unless we get a clear answer here): I have had a helluva time finding out *exactly* where the green, red and yellow lines on Google and other traffic maps come from. And I would very much like to know. The EZPass answer is one, but I have also heard (or read) that it is also what our mobile devices tell Google (or NAVTEQ/Nokia/Microsoft, or whom/whatever). But I don't know.

FWIW, the colors often (though not always) seem to reflect real time conditions, and not just those from 20 minutes ago. 

Doc

On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mary Hodder < ');" target="_blank"> > wrote:

This has been a known problem for at least 10 years.  

They way it was found out was that 10 or so years ago, someone wanted to return a pass with a credit.

The company sent the owner a mylar or similar envelope to return it in, that would block signal transmission. The UPS truck the returning EZPass was in triggered multiple tolls because it drove across or near toll taking signals.

The pass arrived back to the company with no credit at all. And when the owner looked at the statement, it showed the UPS truck's activities.

The other thing is this is how the state knows how fast people drive on the freeway, by tracking passes on the freeways every 10th of a mile, and that is the basis for selling aggregated data that immediately shows the rates of travel on roads. The company that buys it makes it available for a fee, or for free with a 20 minute delay.

Google takes the 20 minute delay, combines that with tracking android devices on roads they have visibility into .. and that what we see as red, yellow or green on roads displayed in Google Maps on our phones.

mary

On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adrian Gropper wrote:

The Scoble article Doc listed in another thread links to this http://gigaom.com/2013/09/10/with-ibeacon-apple-is-going-to-dump-on-nfc-and-embrace-the-internet-of-things/ about iBeacons. 

The technology in one of these long-range (sidewalk to sidewalk) readers may be less than $10 per unit already.

Adrian

On Friday, September 13, 2013, Devon M T Loffreto wrote:

Oh we blinked... just hard to find ethics in tech... and even harder in gov... thus the love child.

On Sep 13, 2013 6:07 PM, "Peter Cranstone" < > wrote:

I'm not surprised. What the NSA is doing is just the tip of the iceberg. The 4th amendment is dead - and no one even blinked.

Peter

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From: Nitin Badjatia < >
Date: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:59 PM
To: ProjectVRM list < >
Subject: [projectvrm] EZPass tracking goes beyond toll booths

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/09/12/e-zpasses-get-read-all-over-new-york-not-just-at-toll-booths/

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Adrian Gropper MD