RE: [projectvrm] CloudOS

["T.Rob" < >]

> not sure what an ambient interface is

This gets back to the idea of headless services driven by devices and
infrastructure.  The use cases you've been concentrating on are user-driven
and real-time.  The ones I've been focusing on are device or infrastructure
driven, real-time or batch.  Phil's infrastructure accommodates both models
although his statement suggests he sees the device/infrastructure side as
being more prevalent in CloudOS.  Both are important and if XDI can span
them, so much the better.

-- T.Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cranstone 
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> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:33 PM
> To: Phil Windley
> Cc: Doc Searls; ProjectVRM list; 'Drummond Reed'
> Subject: Re: [projectvrm] CloudOS
> 
> It will work either in an XDI enabled browser or in an XDI enabled app
with
> an ambient interface (not sure what an ambient interface is). We have an
> XDI enabled mobile browser so naturally it gets my vote for the
> transmission of data and also a really simple interface. You can come up
> with an app tomorrow and we can replicate everything inside the browser
> overnight - versus trying to build a cross platform app which requires too
> much investment.
> 
> After watching your video the interaction takes place inside the browser,
> why? Because it's a simple interface. IMO why confuse the consumer with
> something new to learn on other devices. For VRM to work you have to
> have a high adoption rate, changing interfaces introduces friction into
that,
> and from the stats I've seen the (real world data) the usage drops off
> incredibly quickly.
> 
> Remember all of this has to integrate into existing vendor infrastructure
> - in every meeting I've been in Network Admins are not receptive to new
> protocols or opening up additional ports in to their networks. VRM will
not
> have a single answer - VRM is a concept that can be implemented using
> various approaches - the customer and vendor will ultimately decide who
> has picked the right approach and the right interface.
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/12/13 10:19 AM, "Phil Windley" 
> <
 >
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> >I don't think that the browser is the place where this will get the
> >most use. In fact, I envision most of the interactions with CloduOS
> >being done by other services and devices on the user's behalf. The user
> >will use a browse or mobile app to configure that system, but I want
> >the interactions to happen away from the device. Ambient interfaces, if
> >you will.
> >
> >On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Peter Cranstone
> ><
 >
> > wrote:
> >> On second thoughts after watching the video etc., you can do this
> >>without  an XDI enabled browser. All you need to do is build XDI
> >>enabled  applications, although IMO that's more complicated and comes
> >>with the risk  of figuring out how to extract real value with the app
> >>(i.e. give it away  for free but charge for the service). Scaling it
> >>across multiple OS's is  also more complex but certainly doable with
> >>the right investment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/11/13 3:37 PM, "Peter Cranstone"
> <
 >
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looks like a perfect fit for an XDI enabled browser.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/11/13 5:22 AM, "Doc Searls" 
> >>> <
 >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Phil Windley has put up an excellent short site on CloudOS, an open
> >>>> source OS for personal clouds. It's at http://cloudos.me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Check it out. And help out too. As you can see from missing future
> >>>>links  in the site, CloudOS is still new and needs more programmers
> >>>>working on  it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Doc
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >