Re: [personal-clouds] [projectvrm] [ProjectVRM][Personal-clouds] Terms and Conditions May apply

[Katherine Kern < >]

I think the mass market reluctantly understands that in a Free Society there is no such thing as a Free Lunch.  

We are all aware of "buyer beware" but hope that the sellers will be "governed" by the risk of market backlash if they abuse that trust.

Isn't the point of the film that it is becoming increasingly clear that it is not possible for the buyer to know what the seller is or has done with their info so they can make a rationale decision?  

As we've discussed here many times, there are many ways to attack the issue, including gov't intervention.  But the other is to educate consumers and the advertisers/creative services providers who decide to fund these services.  Then offer transparent alternatives and let market forces deal with the abusive "sellers".

The film is a great way to educate consumers and raise the existing doubts among advertisers/creative services providers.  

So how may we take advantage of this growing awareness?

K-

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From: Devon M T Loffreto < "> >
Date: Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:47 AM
To: Katherine Kern < "> >
Cc: Peter Cranstone < "> >, Doc Searls < "> >, Matt Hogan < "> >, " "> " < "> >, ProjectVRM list < "> >
Subject: Re: [personal-clouds] [projectvrm] [ProjectVRM][Personal-clouds] Terms and Conditions May apply

Free Society or free service acquisition? Or is that the same thing in the mass market?

On Jul 18, 2013 7:19 AM, "Katherine Kern" < "> > wrote:

Isn't the point that free is an illusion.  We are unwittingly paying with personal content, behavioral data, tied to personal identifiable info which is sold to others for unrestricted use in perpetuity. 

K-

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From: Matt Hogan < " target="_blank"> >
Date: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [personal-clouds] [projectvrm] [ProjectVRM][Personal-clouds] Terms and Conditions May apply

It's about terms and tracking.

Matt Hogan

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On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Doc Searls < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Is the movie about "free?" 

From what I gather it's about terms.

Doc

On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Peter Cranstone < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

FREE is the crack cocaine that everyone is addicted to. 

The horses have already left the barn and are counties away. While it's nice to chat about the problem it's too late to fix by patching what we have. You need a paradigm shift in the way you control the collection, flow and use of your data. 

Unfortunately we're all admiring the problem – somebody needs to put a real stake in the ground. And guess what – it will come with a price tag, and consumers will vote with their checkbook. Careful what you wish for.

Peter

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Date: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:20 PM
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Subject: [projectvrm] [ProjectVRM][Personal-clouds] Terms and Conditions May apply

There is a phenomenal movie out about Terms and Conditions and personal data that me and the other PDNYC co-organizers sent to the group. Here is a link to the trailer and here are the tentative schedules for select city openings. 

Cullen Hoback did a great job with this and it's incredibly pertinent to the information discussed on both of these email lists. I think it is something that could potentially bring more press to a space that needs it. 

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzyafieRcWE

Schedule:

    New York - Quad Cinema - July 12*-18 (Showtimes: 1, 2:40, 4:30, 6:15, 8*, 10)

    Los Angeles - Laemmle Noho 7 - July 19*-25
    Chicago - Gene Siskel Film Center  - July 20 & 23*
    Seattle - SIFF Cinema  - July 25
    Denver - SIE Film Center  - July 26-Aug 1
    Phoenix - Harkins Valley Art  - July 26-Aug 1
    Portland - Cinema 21 - TBA
    San Francisco – The Roxie - Aug 2-8
    San Jose – The Camera 3 Cinemas – Aug 2-8
    San Diego – Digital Gym – Aug 16-22

Scheduling updates can be found here: http://tacma.net/

If it's coming to your city, I would definitely urge a viewing. 

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