Re: [projectvrm] A VRM/PDS dream come true :-)

[Kevin Cox < >]

Yes

And there are several ways to do it.  We should try them all and work to make sure they are integrated so that we have a consistent way to tell others who we are.  We do not want to have "the google way", "the USA government way", "The Chinese Way" the EU way etc.  We want to be able to choose ourselves how we would like to be "known" and "how much" about us we want to be known.

Kevin

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Peter Cranstone < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

RE: To make this happen we need secure reliable ways to allow ourselves to be identified.

Bingo – that's the achilles heel that has to be addressed for VRM to work – the 'Cloud' absolutely has to know that it's really ME.

And for that we need multi-factor authentication right from day 1 (whatever that turns out to be.)

Peter

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From: Kevin Cox < " target="_blank"> >
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013 3:49 PM
To: John Wunderlich < " target="_blank"> >
Cc: Joyce Searls < " target="_blank"> >, Alan Mitchell < " target="_blank"> >, Matt Hogan < " target="_blank"> >, Daniel Kaplan < " target="_blank"> >, ProjectVRM list < " target="_blank"> >

Subject: Re: [projectvrm] A VRM/PDS dream come true :-)

John,

Keeping data about ourselves in silos is the standard method of protecting privacy.  It is a good principle and works.

To do this we need to make it difficult for others to match and move data about us across silos.

In the scheme we are building silos will give us id numbers BUT the number will only be used and known by the silo. We will not even know the number.  This builds in privacy into the system because it becomes difficult to match data about us across silos.

The system will make it easy for information about us to be passed between organisations if it is passed "through us" and will make it difficult and in many cases illegal if it is passed without our knowledge.  Again this builds in privacy into the system.

To make this happen we need secure reliable ways to allow ourselves to be identified.

That is what we are doing and it will make it easy to implement VRM systems.

Kevin

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:15 AM, John Wunderlich < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Kevin;

Scattering your data across the web is also fundamentally flawed, it seems to me. It is a variant of 'security through obscurity' and relies upon the difficulty of connecting to, and linking, multiple sources. There should be a Moore's Law for re-identification and identifiability, because I suspect that it does become twice as easy to re-identify and link someone's personal information every eighteen months or so.

On 2013-07-03, at 6:56 PM, Kevin Cox < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

This shows that the idea of keeping all your own personal data in your own vault is fundamentally flawed - if you want to keep things private.  If you want privacy you want others to store information about you in their own data stores.  That way our information is scattered around the internet and to at it someone has to break into all those stores.  Of course we want to be able to access it when we need to but let others keep it and let them take responsibility for looking after it and keeping it from others.  This the system we have at the moment with one difference.  Today we do not have access to our own information.  Tomorrow we will and VRM will become a reality.

Kevin

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Joyce Searls < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Time to review the Onion video from 2011, that Doc used in several speeches at that time :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVX7K4gAKas

J

On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Alan Mitchell < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

> I love the 'key partners' bit!
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> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Matt Hogan < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
> We actually put out something similar a few weeks ago. I figured I'd share it with the group given the nature of the thread.
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