Re: [projectvrm] Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak condemns the cloud

[Drummond Reed < >]

+1 to Jim's and Johanne's points. To go even further, I believe "the personal cloud" will be as disruptive as the personal computer was. The PC was far, far more than just a "downsized mainframe". The fact that it was now something an individual could afford, could run their own programs on, could customize, could carry, could communicate with - it changed computing forever.

The personal cloud is the same thing all over again for cloud computing. A personal cloud is not just "a cloud run for a person", nor is it just "a PC in the cloud". It is, like the personal computer, a beast the likes of which we've never seen before.

For example, if hosting a personal cloud becomes a mainstream service, then service providers will begin to compete with each other on trust and security capabilities just like the early banks competed with each other on trust (back in the days of serious bank robbers).

And on that same note, no one has ever seen a personal cloud network before. A personal cloud network operates at a much higher level than a personal computer network, and is capable of adding much greater intelligence and efficiency to communications. (See the paper Phil Windley and I wrote on The Personal Channel for more.)

=Drummond 

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Mr. Jim Pasquale < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

+ 1 

As Bucky put it "You cannot change anything by fighting the existing reality, you need to create a new model [or version of) that makes the existing one obsolete," not the exact quote but you all get the idea.

From personal computers to personal cloud, and yes..... it does need its own OS we've outlive the ones we've been using.

/jp

On Aug 7, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Johannes Ernst wrote:

That's why we are trying to talk about "personal cloud" vs "somebody else's cloud".

On Aug 6, 2012, at 23:52, Crosbie Fitch < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

'The Cloud' should connote a fully distributed/p2p, decentralised, no-single-entity-or-cartel-controls-it, data storage/communications/processing system.

 

Unfortunately, while those may be connotations the term is intended to inspire, 'the cloud' is simply a marketing term to invite the gullible to store all their 'personal data' on the service provider's Internet-accessible data storage facilities, which may even be distributed to some extent, but not in the above sense.

 

Ask "Who does the cloud belong to? Who controls it?" If the answer is "Google", "Microsoft", or "IBM", etc. then it's not safe.

 

I'd wait until the answer is "No-one/everyone!"

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Subject: Re: [projectvrm] Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak condemns the cloud

The cloud as it is, is in fact unsuited for personal data management since most layers & functions are not controlled by the individual. More work needs to be done on this and on cloud portability.

L.