Re: [projectvrm] Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak condemns the clou d

[Doc Searls < >]

On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Kelly Mackin < "> > wrote:

I read the article and tweeted about it a few days ago.   I think (and perhaps others have mentioned this here) that what he is really saying is that the context of cloud is wrong.  And he would in fact be correct about this.

The context is that cloud companies have to manage through multiple software vendors, multiple products, hackers, malware, etc. in order to be able to provide a service.

Additionally, Woz was also complaining about adhesion, about "loss of control," about the indifference of someone who gets paid whether your data is safe or not, like a lazy nightwatchman. Add to that state-sponsored infiltration, cyberwarfare, and so on, not to mention the WHG - aka Simon Bar Sinister model of "we own you now;" as Mary so eloquently described; and it all adds up to pretty risky.

I suggest to Doc or others that an attempt be made to bring Woz up to speed. I think he will become a forceful and well-known advocate for the Intention Economy, and end user control.

I agree. I also don't (or barely) know Woz, but that shouldn't stop me. Or anybody.

Doc

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Crosbie Fitch < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

'The Cloud' should connote a fully distributed/p2p, decentralised, no-single-entity-or-cartel-controls-it, data storage/communications/processing system.

 

Unfortunately, while those may be connotations the term is intended to inspire, 'the cloud' is simply a marketing term to invite the gullible to store all their 'personal data' on the service provider's Internet-accessible data storage facilities, which may even be distributed to some extent, but not in the above sense.

 

Ask "Who does the cloud belong to? Who controls it?" If the answer is "Google", "Microsoft", or "IBM", etc. then it's not safe.

 

I'd wait until the answer is "No-one/everyone!"

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The cloud as it is, is in fact unsuited for personal data management since most layers & functions are not controlled by the individual. More work needs to be done on this and on cloud portability.

L.

 

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