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Here's some attention points for further developing the "personal cloud" into becoming useful:

• Privacy: dedicated environment - “Nothing Shared” 
• Full Control: physical nodes with root access (incl. BMC) 
• Flexibility: request more/less nodes by CLI and API 
• Workload management included: 
• Multiple SLAs offered 
• No migration burden nor lock-in 
• Supporting regulatory compliance & audits 
• TTP/Ecosystem provider takes care of the Attribute / PDS provider audit, provide certificates on infrastructure, etc. 

Meanwhile in Europe... 

The EU Data Protection Directive defines the roles of “data controller” and “data processor“ 

• Whenever handling customer data (contact, …), you become data controller 
• Your Cloud provider becomes data processor – and the data controller is in charge to verify and audit the data processor for regulatory compliance. 

Have you ever successfully audited AMAZON? 

So, you have to be your own data processor.

This is the benefit of the attribute provider (and/or you as individual) being fully in control of infrastructure. 

L.

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On 07 Aug 2012, at 09:13, Kelly Mackin < "> > wrote:

I read the article and tweeted about it a few days ago.   I think (and perhaps others have mentioned this here) that what he is really saying is that the context of cloud is wrong.  And he would in fact be correct about this.

The context is that cloud companies have to manage through multiple software vendors, multiple products, hackers, malware, etc. in order to be able to provide a service.

Additionally, Woz was also complaining about adhesion, about "loss of control," about the indifference of someone who gets paid whether your data is safe or not, like a lazy nightwatchman. Add to that state-sponsored infiltration, cyberwarfare, and so on, not to mention the WHG - aka Simon Bar Sinister model of "we own you now;" as Mary so eloquently described; and it all adds up to pretty risky.

I suggest to Doc or others that an attempt be made to bring Woz up to speed. I think he will become a forceful and well-known advocate for the Intention Economy, and end user control.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Crosbie Fitch < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

'The Cloud' should connote a fully distributed/p2p, decentralised, no-single-entity-or-cartel-controls-it, data storage/communications/processing system.

 

Unfortunately, while those may be connotations the term is intended to inspire, 'the cloud' is simply a marketing term to invite the gullible to store all their 'personal data' on the service provider's Internet-accessible data storage facilities, which may even be distributed to some extent, but not in the above sense.

 

Ask "Who does the cloud belong to? Who controls it?" If the answer is "Google", "Microsoft", or "IBM", etc. then it's not safe.

 

I'd wait until the answer is "No-one/everyone!"

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Subject: Re: [projectvrm] Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak condemns the cloud

The cloud as it is, is in fact unsuited for personal data management since most layers & functions are not controlled by the individual. More work needs to be done on this and on cloud portability.

L.

 

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deep cello coffee

503-522-7573

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