Re: [projectvrm] Principles, personalities, anonymity and identity

[Johannes Ernst < >]

Charles, I had missed that one. And I am an Economist subscriber! Interesting.

On Sep 26, 2011, at 19:25, Charles Andres wrote:

> Hi, Johannes --
> 
> The need for a third party to 'vouch' for someone making a claim is 
> necessary for some online interactions but obviously not all. I suspect you 
> agree the number of transactions requiring an IdP is a small minority.
> 
> VRM is about commercial intention online interactions, and these types of 
> transactions require some method to back up claims, especially when 
> commercial transactions encounter exceptions.
> 
> While we are on the subject of commercial transactions and identity, take a 
> look at the following:
> http://www.economist.com/node/21529021
> 
> While personal identity is "tightly policed", corporate 'citizens' are not. 
>  
> 
> - Charles
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2011, at 7:54, Doc Searls wrote:
>> 
>>> This brings us to the core paradox of Digital Identity: all we've found 
>>> that works, so far, requires an Identity Provider (Facebook, Google, 
>>> OpenID, whatever). And, as long as we require an Identity Provider, we 
>>> won't have true anonymity.
>> 
>> I'd like the question an underlying assumption here (that, admittedly, 
>> 99%+ of all people make, and so it's rarely discussed):
>> 
>> Just why exactly do we need a third party that is an "identity provider"?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Johannes.
>> 
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