Re: [projectvrm] Concepts | Apache Unomi

[Devon Loffreto < >]

Amazing story, didn't know that, and wouldn't have guessed it, but makes sense why you are so keen on appreciating self-sovereign ideas in HC and generally. 

I have a close cousin who went to Russia when Gorbachev made perestroika and glasnost a thing and started a newspaper there. You might imagine how provocative that was, and the chaotic stories and emotional experiences that produced.

Asia in general, China in specific is fascinating to me. I studied Japanese Business Management at GMU in early 90's, and focused on Entrepreneurship until departing with my own venture early. Being in Fairfax, VA at that time, I met Steve Case and had conversations with Vint Cerf while he was at MCI. As a student, I asked him why ownership at the infrastructure level did not happen wrt identity and tcp/ip, and learned it was "considered in 1976, but discarded".. presumably as impractical from that time basis. Sometimes we just dont think big enough, and IPv4 needs IPv6 to course correct... silo busting had priorities at DARPA, but civil Rights via ID was not one of them.

Obviously China is changing rapidly, and history has a heavy hand influencing behavior. Society is only capable of so much change in short-time. And historic ideas certainly weigh in to the notion of what is permissible by any culture.

Which is the startling point concerning America. When it comes down to it, looking at "America" through the lens of an immigrant, there really are relatively few people that function as an "American" would/should. This is one of the points my friends from Asia and China specifically make repeatedly. The apathy of people to willingly sacrifice "Individual Liberty" and "Personal Security" in operational terms stems in large part to the massive influence of employee-thinking in our Society.

Public schools do a couple things really bad in America... things that are fundamental to functional literacy... 1) Entrepreneurial thinking and knowledge of free enterprise, 2) Computational thinking and knowledge of computer systems. Going to school to get good grades, so you can get a degree, so you can get a job so you can climb a bureaucratic ladder so you can retire on pension benefits has dominated our public infrastructure. K-17 EDU is less a learning system as it is an employment system.

When something as egregious as the "Individual Mandate" is presented as a solution to health care access and delivery, people in large numbers have no context of its meaning, treating people as property of the State under penalty of Law and taxation. Lose-lose. Meanwhile, social-entrepreneurs can fix most of that problem independently, and the systemically failing components stand apart as failures of our mis-represented bureaucracy than actual problems. Its just sad to experience.

But try telling that to a system that operates as though Individuals are a problem rather than a solution path.

The good news is that Individual leaders can make an impact. Self-Sovereign identity is a known & actively considered thing among Superintendents across NY State because of real pain points and patient presentation of methods that can be casually discussed without stress or media-hype. As an indie developer, I am already working with partners managing over $3 billion in budgetary funding from the State, State Senators, and other State funding entities that are engaging these conversations in practical ways, and looking at the road map ahead and considering what it means for changing how public EDU is organized. I wrote a PR piece not long ago titled "Overcoming the Great Firewall of Public Education" because China has got nothing on American public schools in 2018.

Structure yields results...

Our Society will not course correct as customers of services, especially in relationship to our Gov. That is not the American structure of participation that matters.

Origin of human authority... ownership of personal markets with both BUY/SELL integrity... these are the structures that matter. Evidence of progress is everywhere. In fact the head of technology for the WEF has his kid in my learning program at kidOYO, and we discuss self-Sovereign ID and its implications globally from time-to-time... but the mere fact he is aware of the concept is a win in my book... time & effort.

There are many on this list to thank for that progress..

Dev

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Adrian Gropper < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Thanks, Devon. I'm being serious.

I was born behind the Iron Curtain and experienced, mostly through my parents, what it means to live in a surveillance society. My parents would travel to other communist countries when I was little. They were afraid to be noticed for having enough money to travel and so they would tell me that they were in the hospital so that's what I would share with my colleagues in school. Then, when they returned from "the hospital" they would bring me the most amazing toys!

My serious point is that people adjust to universal surveillance and that China and the US and everywhere else are experiments in progress.

Adrian

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Devon Loffreto < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Is that a real question or are you being humorous? Its going as you might expect. Compliance is a social norm. Individual liberty is not, at mass scale.

I have a team walking factory floors across China currently. One is returning home after 5 years in US. Immediate reaction to seeing role of WeChat domination was startling. From city to deep rural, cash is disappearing. Social structure drives operational results.

People seek convenience. Individual liberty is never easy. Compliance is always easy, until its not. State planning in China is a force w/o limit, and alternative models are breaking w/ ease b/c "easy" wins mass-adoption.

Credit.. still optional.

Devon

On Feb 7, 2018 9:50 AM, "Adrian Gropper" < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

The experiment Guy describes is already being run in China with social credit scoring. Does anyone have an update on how that's going?

Adrian

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Guy Jarvis < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

At a conceptual level, what instantly occurred to me was "udontnomi"
which might be achieved through a couple of different pathways.

The first perhaps more obvious route is to (attempt to) block unomi
from gathering any personal data, the main drawback that comes to mind
is that blocking may prevent access to a desired resource

The second route is to appear to willingly accept unomi then poison it
with junk data to render unomi worthless.

In the latter case, I guess the programmatical challenge is
client-side browser coding to fool the server-side unomi, plus some
means of p2p sharing junk between clients.

Guy

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Tom Barnett < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
> http://unomi.incubator.apache.org/versions/1.2/concepts.html
>
> I wondered if anyone had any views on this?
>
> '
>
> Profiles
>
> By processing events, Unomi progressively builds a picture of who the user
> is and how they behave. This knowledge is embedded in Profile object. A
> profile is an Item with any number of properties and optional segments and
> scores. Unomi provides default properties to cover common data (name, last
> name, age, email, etc.) as well as default segments to categorize users.
> Unomi users are, however, free and even encouraged to create additional
> properties and segments to better suit their needs.
>
> Contrary to other Unomi items, profiles are not part of a scope since we
> want to be able to track the associated user across applications. For this
> reason, data collected for a given profile in a specific scope is still
> available to any scoped item that accesses the profile information.
>
> It is interesting to note that there is not necessarily a one to one mapping
> between users and profiles as users can be captured across applications and
> different observation contexts. As identifying information might not be
> available in all contexts in which data is collected, resolving profiles to
> a single physical user can become complex because physical users are not
> observed directly. Rather, their portrait is progressively patched together
> and made clearer as Unomi captures more and more traces of their actions.
> Unomi will merge related profiles as soon as collected data permits positive
> association between distinct profiles, usually as a result of the user
> performing some identifying action in a context where the user hadn’t
> already been positively identified.'
>
>

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