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RE: [projectvrm] Re: [WG-UMA] The Death of Safe Harbor is the Ultimate VRM and UMA Legal Opportunity


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  • From: Brian Behlendorf < >
  • To: "Neiditz, Jon" < >
  • Cc: 'ProjectVRM list' < >
  • Subject: RE: [projectvrm] Re: [WG-UMA] The Death of Safe Harbor is the Ultimate VRM and UMA Legal Opportunity
  • Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT)


People who publish Open Source software give irrevocable consents all the time to share their IP - by necessity and without exception. Where is an irrevocable consent defined as alienating a human right?

Brian


On Tue, 6 Oct 2015, Neiditz, Jon wrote:
You cannot give an irrevocable consent, because that would be attempting to
alienate a “human right.”

 

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From: Mike O'Neill
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:21 AM
To: 'James Hazard'
Cc: Neiditz, Jon; 'WG UMA'; 'ProjectVRM list'
Subject: RE: [projectvrm] Re: [WG-UMA] The Death of Safe Harbor is the
Ultimate VRM and UMA Legal Opportunity

 

Correct. Consent must be “freely given, specific and informed”. Even if the
basis is “legitimate interest” they still have the right to opt-out, by
automated means (if that is still in
the GDPR).

 

From: James Hazard
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Sent: 06 October 2015 15:48
To: Mike O'Neill
< >
Cc: Neiditz, Jon
< >;
WG UMA
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ProjectVRM list
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Subject: Re: [projectvrm] Re: [WG-UMA] The Death of Safe Harbor is the
Ultimate VRM and UMA Legal Opportunity

 

So, roughly, 

 

?/

 

"I consent to You taking the Specified Personal Information to the US.  You
agree to: protect it, use it only for Specified Purposes, inform me of Leaks, and
Destroy it when no longer
needed for the Specified Purposes or I ask You to."

 

 

Can a person give non-revocable consent to use of data within EU?

 

/?

 

 

 

   

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Mike O'Neill
< >
wrote:

Consent must be “freely given”, so IMO it follows that it must be
revocable (with a “sunset”). Article 29 and many DPAs also have said that.

 

 

From: James Hazard
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Sent: 06 October 2015 14:53
To: Neiditz, Jon
< >
Cc: WG UMA
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ProjectVRM list
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Subject: [projectvrm] Re: [WG-UMA] The Death of Safe Harbor is the
Ultimate VRM and UMA Legal Opportunity

 

Do you mean that consent of the person permits transfer of data, but
consent is necessarily revocable and data must be destroyed?

On Oct 6, 2015 3:40 PM, "Neiditz, Jon"
< >
wrote:

Why?

The Advocate General's opinion and the Court's decision both turn
on the inability of Safe Harbor to prevent surveillance.  NO permitted basis
for data transfer
prevents surveillance, not Model Clauses, not Binding Corporate
Rules (BCRs).  Logically, if probably not in immediate corporate and EU
national practice, the
only bulletproof basis for data transfer to the US is now the
ever-so-revocable CONSENT, which presumes no fictitious protection from
surveillance.

See also: 
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/good-morning-safe-harbor-dead-what-does-mean-now-later-jon-neiditz?trk=prof-post

Your thoughts?

Jon Neiditz
Kilpatrick Townsend & Stockton LLP
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