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RE: [projectvrm] Surprising assessment of Mozilla data sharing


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  • From: "Nathan Schor" < >
  • To: "'Doc Searls'" < >, "'Guy Higgins'" < >
  • Cc: "'ProjectVRM list'" < >
  • Subject: RE: [projectvrm] Surprising assessment of Mozilla data sharing
  • Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:56:13 -0700

Doc,

Thanks for the VB link as I hadn’t seen that, despite it being published last month.

I especially noted the following which expressed better what I was trying to say:

Mozilla is typically very transparent about its plans, and while this didn’t come out of the blue, many were still taken by complete surprise.

Note the last word ‘surprise’ which is what I coincidentally used in the subject line.

 ‘I suggest holding fire’ à I wasn’t at all intending to spark a critique of Mozilla’s good work with issues that matter to those on this list. (Sean participation being one of many examples.)

After reading the VB piece it seems to boil down to a PR error, and surely not Mozilla sacking privacy, as the original article implied.

Nathan Schor 305.632.1368 ">

 

From: Doc Searls [mailto: ]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 11:32 AM
To: Guy Higgins
Cc: Nathan Schor; ProjectVRM list
Subject: Re: [projectvrm] Surprising assessment of Mozilla data sharing

 

There is a Mozilla response in this VentureBeat piece:

 

 

I am sure more is coming. Meanwhile I suggest holding fire until we know more — and also digging what Mozilla did with Flash today: <https://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla+flash>.

 

Bonus link on Flash, from Steve Jobs in 2010: <https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/>.

 

Doc

 

On Jul 14, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Guy Higgins < "> > wrote:

 

+1

 

Nathan, I would amend you observation about third parties to say, “Probably is anyone not actively opposing or attacking them.”

 

Guy

 

From: Nathan Schor < "> >
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 9:49 
To: 'ProjectVRM list' < "> >
Subject: [projectvrm] Surprising assessment of Mozilla data sharing 

 

I ran into this https://ecpmblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/mozilla-and-data-sharing which claims:

‘Firefox users becoming upset.’ 

The original piece starts with this:

Today, I updated my Firefox, and had a new icon on my toolbar: pocket. I took a quick look at the ToS and privacy policy’

and found conditions like these: 

privacy policy:

  • Read it Later, Inc. is collecting a lot of intimate information and is tracking you.
  • When you share something through Pocket with a friend, the emails contains spying material using malware-like techniques to track your friends.
  • They are sharing those information with trusted third parties (Could be anyone they are doing business with.).
  • The policy might change, and it's your responsibility to check Pocket's website to see if it has.

The author of the original article -  Artificial truth · Firefox, you’re supposed to be in my pocket, not the other way around. - comes to this ‘reasoned’ conclusion:

‘It seems that I am not the only one that hates this awful idea. Mozilla is getting worse and worse and worse and worse those days, instead of not hurting the web… it used to be a defender of privacy, now it's promoting shady services.’

 




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