Re: [projectvrm] Forbes: Can the Privacy Revolution Prevail?

[Devon M T Loffreto < >]

Of course, we know most people have erroneous ideas about what privacy is. And we know that there is a growing industry in defining what it is for everyone, even if the definition misses the mark. Making errors on this path can be very profitable.

Look at Facebook... why bother calling it 'Privacy Controls' when it is really 'Data-slave Controls'... there is no actual privacy there. It is defeated by layers of technical complexity and one-off representation that can take it away at a moments notice. Of course we know why.

Its notable that privacy workers are not discussing "identity equality" or the administrative precedence of participation in database driven State enforced Rights-based systems. Developers of many types "at the fringes" are working there... of course... and thats the point.

We have to be careful when empowering legislative methods. Precedent is not going to get us where we want to go. More is needed. Our efforts are made very challenging by this moment we live in where the State military complex and the extremist terrorist population look very collaborative in their methods. One acts, the other responds, and everyone gets to experience the effects of that relationship as a loss of freedoms and Rights.

Obviously, our hope is this is a temporary rational choice to fix a problem. But is it?

We all know that the enemies of freedom have multiple tricks up their sleeve to convince entire Nations of people that grotesque actions are rational and reasonable by simply manipulating fear.

The data structure of Sovereignty is an actionable outcome. Do you have Rights because you are administered with precision, or do your Rights pre-exist Sovereign collaboration and serve as the protection against gross manipulation?

Developers have a unique opportunity in providing answers here.

Employees are going to be a structural problem to be overcome by independent thinkers and actors.

Losing is a very real possibility.

BTW... of note: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/554320532133650432

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Wunderlich, John < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Crosbie;

Privacy, in the natural world where human being interact using the technology of manipulated sound waves, visual stimuli, and scratches on clay tablets was and is a negotiated terrain of selected disclosure, retention and risk management decisions about what to share and what to keep close. The Internet is a different tool set for the same set of decisions, but is a tool set that many people are, as yet, unfamiliar with. Privacy [insert appropriate noun]s are working to extend the tool set, or peoples' awareness of these new tools to enable them to make the same deep choices they make orally and visually. It's about the interaction and exchange of information - the information boundaries we set and maintain. There's a good book by Sandra Petronio called the, "Boundaries of Privacy" that I'd recommend on this.

I'm not saying that the physical boundaries of home, hearth and a home in the woods aren't real. But that's about isolation and seclusion, which is only part of the what most people understand privacy to mean. 

John Wunderlich

Privacist @PrivacyCDN

On 11 January 2015 at 17:27, Crosbie Fitch < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

'privacy revolution'?

 

There can be no revolution in privacy, a natural right - unless Homo Sapiens underwent a revolution, developed telepathy, say.

 

All the punditry on 'privacy' will eventually fizzle out and people will realise that the Internet had no effect upon it. The Internet simply makes communication/dissemination far easier. Privacy is what it's always been, a natural, physical boundary about one or more human beings.

 

The most advanced understanding of privacy, even in the advent of modern technology, is the eldest.

 

 

 

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