Some level of privacy, transparency and simplicity competition is starting to emerge between MSFT and Google. Long way to go but here is email I got today from MSFT for example:
 | We're updating our terms of use and privacy statement. | | | | Our users' needs are at the center of everything we do. That's why we are updating the Microsoft Services Agreement and providing a Privacy Statement for Windows Services. We want to take this opportunity to highlight some of the key changes and what they mean for you. | | |
| | | | | Privacy | | As part of our ongoing commitment to respecting your privacy, we won't use your documents, photos or other personal files or what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail to target advertising to you. |
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| | | The Microsoft Services Agreement applies to your Microsoft account and includes many of our customer services such as Outlook.com, OneDrive, and Bing, while the privacy statement explains how your personal information is collected, used and protected across your Microsoft account, Outlook.com and OneDrive. | |
| | | The new updates to these will take effect on July 31, 2014. If you continue to use our services after July 31, 2014, you agree to the updated terms or, if you don't agree, you can cancel your service at any time. | | | | We encourage you to use the links below for further details and to view the full agreements online. | | | | Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. |
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On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Mary Hodder <
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> wrote: Don,If that's true, and I would agree that bigger companies have more power, but less opportunity thansmaller startups, but if that's true, that statement doesn't really have much to do with creepy / non-creepy..Large scale services can make feature changes and still keep their customers, as long as they don't annoy them too much,verses startups that have costs getting new customers for newer, more desirable features (privacy features fit that).However, whether this is all easier or not to de-creepify older more established service is another issue.. because what is easier? Convince people your 'de-creepifying' new features truly de-creep? or don't mention de-creep too much because then you draw attention to the creepier parts you are keeping in place? In some ways, a clean break might be easier.. with a new product from a larger company or new start up..And then what if you have holes in your claims, as Snapchat and What's App do.. then they correct.. and again,how much do you point to corrections?maryOn Jun 15, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Don Marti wrote:begin Alan Mitchell quotation of Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 09:38:16AM +0100:
Hi Don,
You said:
"Unfortuntely, IMHO it's going to be easier for
large-scale services to de-creepify than for
non-creepy services to scale."
That's a very big and important statement.
Can you expand?
Sure. GMail can incrementally add privacy features...
http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/06/making-end-to-end-encryption-easier-to.html
...without making users migrate all their mail.
At any time they could have a mix of privacy-enabled
users and users with legacy mail.
A startup offering a confidential mail service
will have to spend more to build a GMail-sized
infrastructure.
Don
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Don Marti <
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Betting on that online privacy that the conventional
wisdom keeps telling us that people don't want...
"For years, the internet's biggest players
have hoarded your personal data and sold it for
billions. Now, a band of angry startups is demanding
privacy and aiming to overhaul the social-media
business forever."
http://www.inc.com/magazine/201407/ceo-of-wickr-leads-social-media-resistance-movement.html
"She started Wickr to give her daughters a tool that
would allow them to communicate safely, anonymously,
with the capacity to control what information is
retained on the other end."
(Unfortuntely, IMHO it's going to be easier for
large-scale services to de-creepify than for
non-creepy services to scale.)
Bonus link: Arvind Narayanan, "Encryption as protest"
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/encryption-as-protest/
"In this post, I want to examine the hypothesis
that users of encryption tools also have protest
and civil disobedience in mind, instead of (or in
addition to) self-defense and anonymity."
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