Re: [projectvrm] "The Revolution Will Not Be Monetized"

[Mary Hodder < >]

Don,

If that's true, and I would agree that bigger companies have more power, but 
less opportunity than
smaller startups, but if that's true, that statement doesn't really have much 
to do with creepy / non-creepy..

Large scale services can make feature changes and still keep their customers, 
as long as they don't annoy them too much,
verses startups that have costs getting new customers for newer, more 
desirable features (privacy features fit that).

However, whether this is all easier or not to de-creepify older more 
established service is another issue..  
because what is easier? Convince people your 'de-creepifying' new features 
truly de-creep? 
or don't mention de-creep too much because then you draw attention to the 
creepier parts you are keeping in place? 

In some ways, a clean break might be easier.. with a new product from a 
larger company or new start up..

And then what if you have holes in your claims, as Snapchat and What's App 
do.. then they correct.. and again,
how much do you point to corrections?

mary


On Jun 15, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Don Marti wrote:

> begin Alan Mitchell quotation of Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 09:38:16AM +0100:
> 
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> You said:
>> 
>> "Unfortuntely, IMHO it's going to be easier for
>> large-scale services to de-creepify than for
>> non-creepy services to scale."
>> 
>> That's a very big and important statement.
>> 
>> Can you expand?
> 
> Sure.  GMail can incrementally add privacy features...
> 
> http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/06/making-end-to-end-encryption-easier-to.html
> 
> ...without making users migrate all their mail.
> At any time they could have a mix of privacy-enabled
> users and users with legacy mail.
> 
> A startup offering a confidential mail service
> will have to spend more to build a GMail-sized
> infrastructure.
> 
> Don
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Don Marti 
>> <
 >
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Betting on that online privacy that the conventional
>>> wisdom keeps telling us that people don't want...
>>> 
>>>  "For years, the internet's biggest players
>>>  have hoarded your personal data and sold it for
>>>  billions. Now, a band of angry startups is demanding
>>>  privacy and aiming to overhaul the social-media
>>>  business forever."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.inc.com/magazine/201407/ceo-of-wickr-leads-social-media-resistance-movement.html
>>> 
>>>  "She started Wickr to give her daughters a tool that
>>>  would allow them to communicate safely, anonymously,
>>>  with the capacity to control what information is
>>>  retained on the other end."
>>> 
>>> (Unfortuntely, IMHO it's going to be easier for
>>> large-scale services to de-creepify than for
>>> non-creepy services to scale.)
>>> 
>>> Bonus link: Arvind Narayanan, "Encryption as protest"
>>> https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/encryption-as-protest/
>>> 
>>>  "In this post, I want to examine the hypothesis
>>>  that users of encryption tools also have protest
>>>  and civil disobedience in mind, instead of (or in
>>>  addition to) self-defense and anonymity."
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Don Marti
>>> http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
>>> 
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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