Re: [projectvrm] Why we need to escape the Land of the Silos

[Iain Henderson < >]

Yes, Oh My is nice; I guess because the device belongs to the individual they 
can choose whichever they prefer.

My personal favourite was when I showed it to a friend of mine in the CRM 
data sales business. He called it the Oh F**k…. But I guess that might limit 
our marketing somewhat…

Thanks

Iain

On 19 May 2013, at 22:21, T.Rob 
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> Ya know, at the Singularity University presentation and IIW I think I heard 
> this pronounced “oh-me.”  It occurs to me that it *should* be pronounced 
> “oh-my” with George Takei as the spokesperson. 
>  
> -- T.Rob
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> From: Iain Henderson 
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> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:54 AM
> To: Bill Nelson
> Cc: Drummond Reed; Doc Searls; Dan Blum; ProjectVRM list
> Subject: Re: [projectvrm] Why we need to escape the Land of the Silos
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> Hi Bill,
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> It may be that the personal device need not be something that's only for 
> power users; here's a pic of the Omie 0.1 I went through with Doc and Joyce 
> through in London yesterday.
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> Once we fill up that empty space in the middle with apps that can only be 
> run from the individual perspective then I think this becomes a much 
> broader proposition.
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> Cheers
>  
> Iain
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> On 19 May 2013, at 04:34, Bill Nelson 
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> BTW, I am really not trying to be a pain, just trying to better understand 
> (I told you I was coming into this discussion late)
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> I have caught conversations that have alluded to the person cloud being a 
> personal device in the past but never really questioned it.  
> 
> There are a lot of really smart people on this list and i am sure that you 
> have given this more thought than i have.  My definition of a personal 
> cloud seems a bit different, however, so I want to give the personal device 
> concept a chance. 
> 
> Feel free to tell me to RTFM and point me to it if there is something that 
> will help me come up to speed.  
> 
> Bill
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 18, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Bill Nelson 
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> Thanks for the clarification, Drummond.  Won't the self hosting aspect make 
> this by its very nature a limiting factor in the adoption of personal 
> clouds?   It does require some level of technology knowledge even to 
> install network storage at home. 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 18, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Drummond Reed 
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> Bill, it's a fair question since a personal cloud is by definition 
> something you control, even if it's hosted by a third-party service 
> provider (actually, in VRM terms, I believe that would be a "fourth-party 
> service provider").
> 
> Anyway, the simple layman's definition I would offer of "self-hosting" a 
> personal cloud is when the owner is running it on hardware he/she 
> personally physically controls, e.g., on their own home network. 
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> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Bill Nelson 
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> I am coming into this conversation late and I am sure that this was 
> discussed at the IIW, but what are you referring to when you say 'self 
> host'?    Does a person need to have their own storage array at home?   Or 
> are you referring to people having their own Dropbox (or other cloud 
> storage) account? 
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> Please enlighten this unintelligent haggard. 
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> Sent from  my iPhone
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> On May 18, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Drummond Reed 
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> +1. I think it's this simple: if you don't have the option to self-host it, 
> it's not really a personal cloud.
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> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Doc Searls 
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> The key is to make personal clouds that are truly personal — in the sense 
> that nobody else can hack into them. If we want to put our clouds in 
> services that are not ours, that's fine — and I am sure will be a good 
> business. But the ability to self-host needs to be a prime requirement.
> 
> Doc
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> On May 18, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Drummond Reed 
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> Dan, great stake in the ground. The issues you describe become magnified 
> x10 when it comes to personal clouds, so as an industry we need to drive an 
> even bigger stake in the ground on this topic -- one that will restrain 
> governments all around the world, not just the U.S.
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> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Dan Blum 
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> I've sniffed a whiff of the same stench from here in the land of the free. 
> Some time ago I heard about an Air Force RFP for software to create 
> artificial "friends" for use on Facebook, probably for background 
> investigation purposes. With friends like these...in the electronic age, 
> we've lost much of the freedom we once had. 
> 
> Please see my blog entry The Constitution and the Cloud in which I explore 
> these issues.
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> Thanks!
> Dan
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> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Doc Searls 
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> ... especially the ones that allow news like this to happen:
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> <http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance/>
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