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[projectvrm] RE: Battle of the Online Forms


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  • From: "Savage, Christopher" < >
  • To: John Harrison | PIB-d < >
  • Cc: 'ProjectVRM list' < >
  • Subject: [projectvrm] RE: Battle of the Online Forms
  • Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:24:00 +0000
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From: John Harrison | PIB-d [mailto: ]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:00 AM
To: Savage, Christopher
Cc: 'ProjectVRM list'
Subject: RE: Battle of the Online Forms

 

>>I like Chris’s idea about reversing the burden of contract acceptance. But is there not a one-to-many / one-to-one problem here ? Given that a corporation deals with thousands of individuals, it is simply impractical for it to negotiate different terms in each case: the logic of numbers forces it to define standard terms and conditions, which are then imposed on customers.  The remedy is for the customers to club together into a group large enough to require / expect bespoke contracts from a corporation. Which takes us back to consumer rights / advocacy groups (such as the Consumers’ Association / “Which” here in the UK) and recent experiments in collaborative purchasing.<<

 

What I actually envision (see another recent post) is not imposing thousands or millions of different sets of terms and conditions on corporations.  What I envision is developing two or three integrated versions of “standard” individual-respecting terms and conditions, with the individual selecting which of the standard sets they choose to impose as a condition of accepting web pages from enterprises on-line.

 

>>As so often, it all comes back to the values of the people who design the underlying infrastructure. John Naughton maintains  - in ‘A brief history of the future’ - that the internet and the web succeeded because the academics who designed them believed that openness / distribution / account portability and the like were all important. What we need is infrastructure that permits and supports collaborative purchasing, working on the side of the consumer. But I preach to the converted . . . . . for which apologies.<<

 

No apologies needed.  <g>  I envision my little idea here as a first step to giving individuals a collective voice (go figure, that one) in developing that infrastructure.  Right now they have none.

 

Chris S.




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