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RE: Battle of the Online Forms [Was: [projectvrm] Mobile SSL holes]


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  • From: "Savage, Christopher" < >
  • To: John S James < >, ProjectVRM list < >
  • Subject: RE: Battle of the Online Forms [Was: [projectvrm] Mobile SSL holes]
  • Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:19:35 +0000
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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of John S James
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:05 PM
To: ProjectVRM list; Savage, Christopher
Subject: Re: Battle of the Online Forms [Was: [projectvrm] Mobile SSL holes]

 

>>We need new ideas and new thinking, and Christopher's proposal is a good example.<<

 

>>It won't work as stated, because corporations run the government and basically everything, so in the end the law means whatever they want it to mean. We do have a serious problem here.<<

 

I wouldn’t assume we lose.  Motivated people have used pre-planned litigation to achieve social ends for decades.  Sometimes you lose, but the cause becomes sufficiently well known by virtue of the lawsuit that if political stars align you can get something done anyway (e.g., the so-called Lily Ledbetter Act regarding the time you are allowed to sue for discrimination).   Sometimes you surprise the heck out of yourself and win (e.g., Brown v. Board of Education).  And sometimes you lose first, then you win (e.g., Bowers v. Hardwick (1986) saying that states could criminalize private homosexual conduct, followed by Lawrence v. Texas (2003) saying they can’t).

 

Corporations are powerful but not omnipotent.  Any other view is simply a counsel of despair.

 

Chris S.

 


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