Re: [projectvrm] blog post on control of personal data

[Doc Searls < >]

Been looking for an easy place in this tread to jump in and say something 
that is hopefully clarifying, constructive, or both.

The key words below (from Mary) are:

        - sites
        - submit
        - allow

Since '95 the Web has been normalized around client-server, which is a 
submissive-dominant model that some of us have been calling calf-cow, 
probably starting with this post here: 
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=3877.

As long as our online world is framed in the calf-cow model, we will be in a 
submissive role, able only to do what the cows allow.

This is the problem we need to fix, which we can only do with tools (or other 
means) that create new liberty-based infrastructure, rather than 
submission-based infrastructure.

I belie we are all working on that, in our various ways.

Cheers,

Doc 

On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Crosbie Fitch wrote:

>> From: Mary Hodder
>> Great.. so we agree that sites should allow users who submit 
>> data to then be able to have some say about what a site does 
>> with it
> 
> No, I don't agree.
> 
> Simply by communicating something to someone does not grant you any power
> over that person - as to their use or disclosure of what you've
> communicated.
> 
> To believe that it does is at worst superstitious, and at best the
> unfortunate result of copyright indoctrination.
> 
> To believe that it should, however, is dangerous in that if this notion is
> sufficiently popular/inoffensive the state will jump at the chance to enact
> a privilege that grants additional power to the powerful (to punish those
> who discuss/disclose sensitive information).
> 
>> , or ask that it be taken down?
> 
> Yes, one can ask (if the site provides a means to do so).