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RE: VRM Utopia Re: [projectvrm] good Groupon Math


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  • From: Katherine Warman Kern < >
  • To: 'Mark Lizar' < >, 'Satya Krishnaswamy' < >
  • Cc: 'Bill Wendel' < >, 'Kaliya Hamlin' < >, 'Project VRM' < >
  • Subject: RE: VRM Utopia Re: [projectvrm] good Groupon Math
  • Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 15:27:11 -0400
  • Organization: COMRADITY

So why don’t we do an experiment among interested participants in this group regarding a category of common interest to prove when a group shares info with each other, everyone wastes less time and money on purchase “failures” and spends more enjoying the category. 

 

If we succeed, we will be able to tell a story that projects the scale of the platform’s value, based on this example.

 

As Mark suggests we nominate categories and vote to pick the one most people are interested in.

 

We keep the initial information sharing very specific so no one has to spend a lot of time.

 

So the categories should probably be even more specific than gardening – like low-impact gardening or home gardening.

 

As Mark suggests, we list the features and benefits we care about.

 

I’d add two more questions to make sure we create value for participants.

 

For perspective, we each reveal our history with the category – e.g., this is my first garden ever, I grow herbs on a windowsill in my apartment and wonder why not tomatoes, I have had an organic vegetable garden for 20 years and there’s not a weed in it.

 

And to be assured we deliver valued info to each other, we ask for at least one problem we are trying solve.

 

We organize the participants on these three dimensions to make it easy to find others who can help or others one can help. 

 

We ask everyone to share what they learned, how they acted on it, and how helpful it was.

 

Then we have a story to share with others to learn how valuable this would be in other categories to individuals and/or businesses. 

 

K--

 

 

 

From: Mark Lizar [mailto: ]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:53 AM
To: Satya Krishnaswamy
Cc: Katherine Warman Kern; Bill Wendel; Kaliya Hamlin; Project VRM
Subject: Re: VRM Utopia Re: [projectvrm] good Groupon Math

 

Wow, 

 

This is sounds interesting and potentially very powerful.  Perhaps if we collected drafted a document of what a platform and business would be we could post it online for some community funding and launch a community effort where all of these amazing ideas can be championed from a collective. 

 

We have so much expertise, talent, and good ideas here.  We should practice what we are preaching and reap the benefits of our passion. 

 

Choosing a path that truly engages with the spirit of VRM.   Clearly, VRM is in need of eating its own dog food.  Perhaps collectively we can create a runway large enough to really make a platform happen?  

 

Personally, I am deeply engaged in the Identity Trust side of Personal data Control, Trust and Privacy.   I would love the opportunity to connect the international policy and privacy communities with standards communities into a VRM group effort.  Building something with the full weicht of the international policy and regulatory communities behind it.   For me this is what a VRM Utopia would start to look like. 

 

For those who are interested I have started an Identity & Trust  think tank Charter  at Identity Commons that explains the identity and trust requirements and topics that are needed.   This think tanks is based around the hope that I can aggregate and contribute  identity and trust components that I have research for so long to efforts very much like VRM. 

 

In this regard, I am open to all thoughts and any suggested avenues to progress further. 

 

Sincerely / Mark Lizar

 

 

 

 

On 9 May 2011, at 16:33, Satya Krishnaswamy wrote:



Katherine's vision is very similar to an idea I started working on last
year - I had briefly discussed it with Doc and Iain when they were in
Mountain View. After a while, I realized that it needed more runway than
I, as a first time entrepreneur, could afford.

Interestingly, this idea pivoted into a "personal RFP" like service for
consumers to interact with local businesses such as restaurants, salons
etc (some folks who have seen it have called it 'Priceline for local
businesses' or 'reverse Groupon').

The solution (called Glasscart) has been fully developed (including an
iPhone app) and is ready for consumers and businesses to be brought on
board but for various personal reasons, I am not moving ahead with it.

If anyone is interested in taking it forward, pls contact me and I would
be happy to discuss more in detail.

Satya

On 5/9/11 7:30 AM, "Mark Lizar" < "> > wrote:


 

Katherine,

 

I think you are spot on and your comment below is something I have

been thinking about for a very long time.

 

On 9 May 2011, at 13:58, Katherine Warman Kern wrote:

 

To clarify, I'm thinking about an alternative to groupon's

discounting model, what if there were a means for people who are

existing customers of a category and know a lot about it leveraged

the group effect to improve products and grow a market.

 

Lately, I have been imagining what a VRM community platform might look

like and in this regard I have a great idea.

 

What if the VRM community banded together and put together a platform

that combined loyalty card program and paperless receipts upon an

infrastructure of personal data control as to create a user driven

channel for coupons and groupons.   A reverse or Open Loyalty system

if you will.

 

Enabling people to independently control, benefit, gain access too and

make valuable our own personal information in the context of all the

vendor relationships we have.

 

Perhaps this is a bit of a utopian VRM vision, but I do think there is

great potential in the combination of these traditional vendor tools

to build the business book  that contrasts with the Facebook.

 

A concept beyond me to execute but a powerful VRM vision just the

same.    Perhaps it is time that the VRM community started to think

about a call to action and collaborative structure to really make

things happen?    Such a structure would surely have my support

 

Best Regards / Mark

 

 

 

 

 




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