Re: [projectvrm] "I am not a brand."

[Adriana Lukas < >]

On 23 June 2010 20:35, Christy Eller 
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> It's a market and the net is a democracy. Of course these ebbs and flows
> into good and evil (or evil and good according to who's labeling) will
> continue.

I fervently hope the internet is not a democracy - otherwise it's
subject to the same fundamental flaws and ends up reverting to
hierarchical structures... I believe it is an entirely different kind
of environment, which can give rise to model unlikely to evolve in the
physical world.

Adriana
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>> On 23 Jun 2010, at 20:03, Alan Patrick wrote:
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>>> On 23/06/2010 19:01, Alec Muffett wrote:
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>>>> 1) people who can be focused, make profit in spite of pissing off
>>>> disorganised hordes of folk
>>>> 2) the "network effect" has a downside as well as an upside, and
>>>> 3) what the net needs is an effective way to pillory the bad guys [ED:
>>>> But that has a whole host of other issues]
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>>> Glad to see you are using my word for the "thing that is bigger than just
>>> the Web" - aka net - after all, Alec ;-)
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>> Yes, that _is_ what you're saying, hence the "dream on"; the Net is not
>> merely the inappropriate medium for censorship of bad guys, but also the
>> concept of censorship at any level above that medium is impractical - or
>> rather incomplete when implemented by any practical means.
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>> I reject the whole statement.
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>>> Anyway, my point 3 was not about pillorying bad guys, the point was
>>> actually that any group action (pillorying among others) won't work unless
>>> it ensures that the transaction costs of hosebagging are raised higher 
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>>> the benefits it confers, for eg via:
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>>> - negative social capital that has consequences - eg limiting access
>>> - filters (eg spam filtering)
>>> - blockers (eg with some websites)
>>> - user bypasses (which is where VRM et al come in)
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>> I don't know what hosebagging is - sounds to me like some public school
>> activity - but to repeat myself: censorship ("regulation") will not work,
>> and even if you kill one bad guy another will arise in his place.
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>> This should not be hard for even someone with your experience of business
>> leadership to understand, Alan: the only defence against the evil is that
>> the users are equipped with a clue, and ideally with communications so they
>> can share notes with each other - call _that_ what you will.
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>>> Joe also made a useful point, ie services that don't do this scummy stuff
>>> may prove to be more effective and thus hosebaggng dies a darwinian death
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>> ..and, following the Darwinian model, each time a new niche pops up,
>> something will arise to take advantage of it once more, and then you and 
>> Joe
>> Mk II can rant about it all over again.
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>>        -a
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