Re: [projectvrm] "I am not a brand."

[Christy Eller < >]

It's a market and the net is a democracy. Of course these ebbs and  
flows into good and evil (or evil and good according to who's  
labeling) will continue.

I agree- regulation will never work in this medium- and if I'm  
labeling, I'd call it evil.

But give people tools to manage their experience effectively and I  
think they'll use them.
--
Christy Eller

 

 


Quoting Alec Muffett 
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> On 23 Jun 2010, at 20:03, Alan Patrick wrote:
>
> > On 23/06/2010 19:01, Alec Muffett wrote:
> >
> > > 1) people who can be focused, make profit in spite of pissing off  
> > > disorganised hordes of folk
> > > 2) the "network effect" has a downside as well as an upside, and
> > > 3) what the net needs is an effective way to pillory the bad guys  
> > > [ED: But that has a whole host of other issues]
> >
> > Glad to see you are using my word for the "thing that is bigger  
> > than just the Web" - aka net - after all, Alec ;-)
>
> Yes, that _is_ what you're saying, hence the "dream on"; the Net is  
> not merely the inappropriate medium for censorship of bad guys, but  
> also the concept of censorship at any level above that medium is  
> impractical - or rather incomplete when implemented by any practical  
> means.
>
> I reject the whole statement.
>
> > Anyway, my point 3 was not about pillorying bad guys, the point was  
> > actually that any group action (pillorying among others) won't work  
> > unless it ensures that the transaction costs of hosebagging are  
> > raised higher than the benefits it confers, for eg via:
> >
> > - negative social capital that has consequences - eg limiting access
> > - filters (eg spam filtering)
> > - blockers (eg with some websites)
> > - user bypasses (which is where VRM et al come in)
>
> I don't know what hosebagging is - sounds to me like some public  
> school activity - but to repeat myself: censorship ("regulation")  
> will not work, and even if you kill one bad guy another will arise  
> in his place.
>
> This should not be hard for even someone with your experience of  
> business leadership to understand, Alan: the only defence against  
> the evil is that the users are equipped with a clue, and ideally  
> with communications so they can share notes with each other - call  
> _that_ what you will.
>
> > Joe also made a useful point, ie services that don't do this scummy  
> > stuff may prove to be more effective and thus hosebaggng dies a  
> > darwinian death
>
> ..and, following the Darwinian model, each time a new niche pops up,  
> something will arise to take advantage of it once more, and then you  
> and Joe Mk II can rant about it all over again.
>
>         -a
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