Re: [projectvrm] Data Ownership Question

["Adriana Lukas" < >]

Trent,

Here is my take on the relationships of users to (their) data on the
web these days.

Models of data imprisonment
http://www.mediainfluencer.net/2008/05/models-of-data-imprisonment/

Adriana

2008/8/26 J. Trent Adams 
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 >:
>
> Ian -
>
> Many thanks for the pointers.  I'll bring this intel back to the
> DataPortability Party.
>
> We're definitely ramping up to wikify our collected thoughts in the area.
>  As soon as we've dedicated a place to have the discussion I'll clue you
> (and others, if interested) into where it lands for additional input.
>
> Thanks again,
> Trent
>
>
> At 02:07 PM 8/26/2008, Iain Henderson wrote:
>>
>> Hi Trent,
>>
>> I don't believe that there has been a definitive discussion on this in
>> VRM-land, although we spend lots of time on the concept of the personal 
>> data
>> store - the generic term for data specifically built on the side of the
>> individual, with ownership an un-said characteristic of the data within 
>> that
>> store.
>>
>> Beyond that, I wrote a
>> <http://rightsideup.blogs.com/my_weblog/2007/10/can-i-own-my-da.html>post a
>> while back on the subject of 'can I own my data', which as I recall says
>> there are a lot of grey areas around such a statement, but fundamentally
>> i'll know that I own it when I can/ could sell it and underpin that sale
>> with a legal contract.
>>
>> So, if we assume that ownership is meant in the legal sense, then who owns
>> what data depends on who signed what terms and conditions document. Beyond
>> the legal definition, there has long been a recognition (first coined by
>> Andre Durand as I recall) that the data creation process in the context of
>> supplier relationships can be split into:
>>
>> - my data (what I bring to the relationship)
>> - your data (what you bring)
>> - our data (co-created through doing business)
>>
>> I think this categorisation is helpful, although there are plenty of
>> situations where data is created on an individual without their being a
>> direct relationship in place (e.g. by credit bureau). The problem, for the
>> individual, is that at present the 'our data' typically lives within an
>> operational customer management system (web site/ CRM) owned by the
>> supplier, so the 'our data' is only available to the individual as and when
>> the supplier enables it (or the individual deploys screen scraping tools or
>> similar).
>>
>> At present, a sub-group in VRM-land is developing the concept of
>> 'volunteered personal information', which is another variant on the
>> ownership discussion. In this scenario, the organisation is is invited to
>> sign the terms and conditions of use set by the individual - again implying
>> that this particular type of data is owned by the individual.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope that helps shed some light on the issue from the VRM
>> perspective. I agree that it would be good to develop shared definitions
>> that each project could use; do you have anything on a wiki/ workspace we
>> can use to do so?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Iain
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2008, at 18:17, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Team VRM -
>>>
>>> Over in DataPortability land, we're struggling with terminology around
>>> the "ownership" of user data.  Basically, we're trying to codify the
>>> concepts related to the data the user "owns" versus what he/she "controls"
>>> and/or has "access to".
>>>
>>> I remember some discussion around this at the recent workshop, and rather
>>> than reinventing the wheel I wonder if anyone could point me toward a 
>>> cogent
>>> distillation of the salient points.
>>>
>>> Also, it'd be kewl if DP could align our language with VRM (or at least
>>> be cognizant of the rationale for any differences).
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Trent
>>>
>>>
>>>
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