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	:Thanks for the comment, Josh. (And yes, Andy Sellars from here is me, just as the article by Ryan Budish is the same Ryan.) I would argue that it is still difficult to change the US Constitution, even if we have majority support for a particular position (e.g. hate speech, where I think there is a growing consensus though certainly not unanimous support). Amending the constitution requires both massive turnout and very-high-percentage (66-75%) support. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution this article] for more. Where the Supreme Court has allowed exceptions has been places where the First Amendment has always been considered to be inapplicable - obscenity, defamation, "fighting words," and a few other places - and these are clearly defined with specific definitions that have evolved form the doctrine. In the words of the [http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/08-769.ZO.html Supreme Court], "[o]ur Constitution forecloses any attempt to revise that judgment simply on the basis that some speech is not worth it," and doesn't add categories to the list as a general rule. While they could change their mind, they have entrenched in this position for all of their history, and would face all sorts of collateral challenges should they start to arbitrarily decide what is an is not constitutional.		:Thanks for the comment, Josh. (And yes, Andy Sellars from here is me, just as the article by Ryan Budish is the same Ryan.) I would argue that it is still difficult to change the US Constitution, even if we have majority support for a particular position (e.g. hate speech, where I think there is a growing consensus though certainly not unanimous support). Amending the constitution requires both massive turnout and very-high-percentage (66-75%) support. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution this article] for more. Where the Supreme Court has allowed exceptions has been places where the First Amendment has always been considered to be inapplicable - obscenity, defamation, "fighting words," and a few other places - and these are clearly defined with specific definitions that have evolved form the doctrine. In the words of the [http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/08-769.ZO.html Supreme Court], "[o]ur Constitution forecloses any attempt to revise that judgment simply on the basis that some speech is not worth it," and doesn't add categories to the list as a general rule. While they could change their mind, they have entrenched in this position for all of their history, and would face all sorts of collateral challenges should they start to arbitrarily decide what is an is not constitutional.

	:I am also not sure that we have seen a proven example where Google had down-ranked a page to serve its own interest, but that's beside the point of my article. My concern is that they could, and there's not much we could do about it. [[User:Asellars\|asellars]] 18:34, 12 February 2013 (EST)

			Having practiced law for many years, primarily as a criminal and constitutional trail and appellate lawyer, even though now retired from private practice,I still have a profound interest in many issues of personal freedom and the Constitution.

			I see major clashes in cultures, social, religious, economic and governmental relating to Internet freedom and free speed in general. In the Constitutional Law class I completed last semester a guest lecturer was the renowed Constitutional Scholar Sanford Levinson who is the author of "Constitutional Faith." The most profound thing that struck me about his work and views is that there is a difference between our nation's culture in general and our Constitution specifically. While our Declaration of Independence and perceived core of our country is independence and freedom these "unalienable rights" are in fact limited to the Constitution, which established our National Culture. In other words liberty and freedom are "according to us," and the Constitution is not interchangeble with those terms. When it was written in 1797 freedom and liberty was not applicable to all men. Slavery was not abolished until nearly 80 years later with the 13th Amendment the author of the Constitution was a slave owner. Not until the 13th and then 14th amendment was enacted did our Constitution and these unalienable rights begin to become interchangeable.

			I believe that a similar obstacle exists between our culture of freedom of speech and those of other cultures, such as China which has more Internet users than the United States has people. We are attempted to force other nations to adopt our culture and mores, which will not happen.So, we need to realize that there is a limitation with freedom of speech on the Internet. We have to accept different opinions in the spirit of communication. We only accepted the U.M. which started and continues to be on our soil and heavily financed by our people after we came to grips with the fact this body was not going to rubber stamping our culture and rules of mankind. It had its place, and it was not universal. This is the same with the Internet.

			[[User:Rich\|Rich]] 11:27, 22 February 2013 (EST)
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	6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]		6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]

	7. Rodney King, Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King][http://youtu.be/SW1ZDIXiuS4][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant[http://youtu.be/WUs_6yTcLW4]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]		7. Rodney King, Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King][http://youtu.be/SW1ZDIXiuS4][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant][http://youtu.be/WUs_6yTcLW4]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]

	8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]		8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]

Raven: /* Class Discussion */ Added videos of Rodney King beating and Oscar Grant shooting

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Class Discussion: Added videos of Rodney King beating and Oscar Grant shooting

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	6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]		6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]

	7. Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]		7. Rodney King, Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King][http://youtu.be/SW1ZDIXiuS4][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant[http://youtu.be/WUs_6yTcLW4]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]

	8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]		8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]

Raven: /* Class Discussion */ Apologies about the multiple edits. I started this on a mobile device, and them moved to my laptop, and during my editing I kept on getting logged out of the wiki.

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Class Discussion: Apologies about the multiple edits. I started this on a mobile device, and them moved to my laptop, and during my editing I kept on getting logged out of the wiki.

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	6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]		6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]

	7. Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]		7. Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]

	8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]		8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]
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	Here, in his Letter From a Birmingham Jail,[http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html] Martin Luther King Jr. does a much better job than I can in expressing just how long black Americans had to wait and just how patient they were for the rights granted to them and all other United States citizens by the United States Constitution[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution].		Here, in his Letter From a Birmingham Jail,[http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html] Martin Luther King Jr. does a much better job than I can in expressing just how long black Americans had to wait and just how patient they were for the rights granted to them and all other United States citizens by the United States Constitution[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution].

	And then we should check the dates of the Russian and Chinese Revolutions[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Revolution]. Possibly we could provide some understanding to these governments while still holding them accountable for values we hold that many of their citizens strongly desire, but that their ~~government is~~ still unwilling to provide.		And then we should check the dates of the Russian and Chinese Revolutions[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Revolution]. Possibly we could provide some understanding to these governments while still holding them accountable for values we hold that many of their citizens strongly desire, but that their governments are still unwilling to provide.

	Do not think that the governments we are so quick to criticize are unaware of the contradictions of our own society.		Do not think that the governments we are so quick to criticize are unaware of the contradictions of our own society.[http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-05/25/c_131611391.htm][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Record_of_the_United_States]

	Yes we should work to free all people from oppressive governments and we all ought to defend the rights of all who speak on behalf of a better humanity. But by all people, let's include those living within the United States as well as those without, and let's at least look and listen before we criticize and condemn.[[User:Raven\|Raven]] 23:31, 19 February 2013 (EST)		Yes we should work to free all people from oppressive governments and we all ought to defend the rights of all who speak on behalf of a better humanity. But by all people, let's include those living within the United States as well as those without, and let's at least look and listen before we criticize and condemn.[[User:Raven\|Raven]] 23:31, 19 February 2013 (EST)
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Raven: /* Class Discussion */

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	9. We all remember the tear gassing of the UC Davis students during the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in the fall of 2011. [http://youtu.be/rIccco4PRRk][http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident][http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/video-of-police-pepper-spraying-u-c-davis-students-provokes-outrage/][https://www.google.com/search?q=uc+davis+pepper+spray&hl=en&biw=1218&bih=715&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ce8kUdDQEe7x0wGJuIGYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QsAQ]Perhaps fewer of us are aware of the egregious treatment of the press in New York City.[http://www.alternet.org/story/156466/did_the_nypd_break_international_law_in_suppressing_protest][http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/nypd-occupy-press-pass/][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/occupy-wall-street-review_n_1707866.html][http://www.mediaite.com/online/occupy-wall-street-the-nypd-and-the-media-reconsidering-the-press-pass-in-a-digital-age/][http://storify.com/jcstearns/tracking-journalist-arrests-during-the-occupy-prot][http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/25-arrested-reporters-and-what-they-do][http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/nypd-pretending-journalists-.html][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/occupy-wall-street-journa_n_1107373.html]		9. We all remember the tear gassing of the UC Davis students during the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in the fall of 2011. [http://youtu.be/rIccco4PRRk][http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident][http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/video-of-police-pepper-spraying-u-c-davis-students-provokes-outrage/][https://www.google.com/search?q=uc+davis+pepper+spray&hl=en&biw=1218&bih=715&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ce8kUdDQEe7x0wGJuIGYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QsAQ]Perhaps fewer of us are aware of the egregious treatment of the press in New York City.[http://www.alternet.org/story/156466/did_the_nypd_break_international_law_in_suppressing_protest][http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/nypd-occupy-press-pass/][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/occupy-wall-street-review_n_1707866.html][http://www.mediaite.com/online/occupy-wall-street-the-nypd-and-the-media-reconsidering-the-press-pass-in-a-digital-age/][http://storify.com/jcstearns/tracking-journalist-arrests-during-the-occupy-prot][http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/25-arrested-reporters-and-what-they-do][http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/nypd-pretending-journalists-.html][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/occupy-wall-street-journa_n_1107373.html]

	10~~. 11~~. Extraordinary rendition[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition], drone strikes that hit civilian populations[http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/us-drone-strikes-afghanistan-un-report] [http://web.law.columbia.edu/human-rights-institute/counterterrorism/drone-strikes/counting-drone-strike-deaths], surveillance of American citizens by their phone and internet services[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy], the FBI under Herbert Hoover[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover], the American use of the Mafia against the Italian citizenry in Sicily in the later years of World War II[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_United_States_government_and_Italian_Mafia], and the McCarthy trials of the 1950s [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy], are some other examples of American values at work.		10.Extraordinary rendition[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition], drone strikes that hit civilian populations[http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/us-drone-strikes-afghanistan-un-report] [http://web.law.columbia.edu/human-rights-institute/counterterrorism/drone-strikes/counting-drone-strike-deaths], surveillance of American citizens by their phone and internet services[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy], the FBI under Herbert Hoover[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover], the American use of the Mafia against the Italian citizenry in Sicily in the later years of World War II[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_United_States_government_and_Italian_Mafia], and the McCarthy trials of the 1950s [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy], are some other examples of American values at work.

	Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]		Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]

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	8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]		8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]

	9. We all remember the tear gassing of the UC Davis students during the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in the fall of 2011. [http://youtu.be/rIccco4PRRk][http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident][http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/video-of-police-pepper-spraying-u-c-davis-students-provokes-outrage/][https://www.google.com/search?q=uc+davis+pepper+spray&hl=en&biw=1218&bih=715&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ce8kUdDQEe7x0wGJuIGYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QsAQ]Perhaps fewer of us are aware of the egregious treatment of the press in New York City.[http://www.alternet.org/story/156466/did_the_nypd_break_international_law_in_suppressing_protest][http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/nypd-occupy-press-pass/][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/occupy-wall-street-review_n_1707866.html][http://www.mediaite.com/online/occupy-wall-street-the-nypd-and-the-media-reconsidering-the-press-pass-in-a-digital-age/][http://storify.com/jcstearns/tracking-journalist-arrests-during-the-occupy-prot][http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/25-arrested-reporters-and-what-they-do][http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/nypd-pretending-journalists-.html][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/occupy-wall-street-journa_n_1107373.html		9. We all remember the tear gassing of the UC Davis students during the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in the fall of 2011. [http://youtu.be/rIccco4PRRk][http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident][http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/video-of-police-pepper-spraying-u-c-davis-students-provokes-outrage/][https://www.google.com/search?q=uc+davis+pepper+spray&hl=en&biw=1218&bih=715&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ce8kUdDQEe7x0wGJuIGYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QsAQ]Perhaps fewer of us are aware of the egregious treatment of the press in New York City.[http://www.alternet.org/story/156466/did_the_nypd_break_international_law_in_suppressing_protest][http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/nypd-occupy-press-pass/][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/occupy-wall-street-review_n_1707866.html][http://www.mediaite.com/online/occupy-wall-street-the-nypd-and-the-media-reconsidering-the-press-pass-in-a-digital-age/][http://storify.com/jcstearns/tracking-journalist-arrests-during-the-occupy-prot][http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/25-arrested-reporters-and-what-they-do][http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/nypd-pretending-journalists-.html][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/occupy-wall-street-journa_n_1107373.html]

			10. 11. Extraordinary rendition[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition], drone strikes that hit civilian populations[http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/us-drone-strikes-afghanistan-un-report] [http://web.law.columbia.edu/human-rights-institute/counterterrorism/drone-strikes/counting-drone-strike-deaths], surveillance of American citizens by their phone and internet services[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy], the FBI under Herbert Hoover[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover], the American use of the Mafia against the Italian citizenry in Sicily in the later years of World War II[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_United_States_government_and_Italian_Mafia], and the McCarthy trials of the 1950s [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy], are some other examples of American values at work.

	Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]		Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]
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	And then we should check the dates of the Russian and Chinese Revolutions[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Revolution]. Possibly we could provide some understanding to these governments while still holding them accountable for values we hold that many of their citizens strongly desire, but that their government is still unwilling to provide.		And then we should check the dates of the Russian and Chinese Revolutions[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Revolution]. Possibly we could provide some understanding to these governments while still holding them accountable for values we hold that many of their citizens strongly desire, but that their government is still unwilling to provide.

	Do not think that the governments we are so quick to criticize are unaware of the contradictions of our own society. Yes we should work to free all people from oppressive governments and we all ought to defend the rights of all who speak on behalf of a better humanity. But by all people, let's include those living within the United States as well as those without, and let's at least look and listen before we criticize and condemn.[[User:Raven\|Raven]] 23:31, 19 February 2013 (EST)		Do not think that the governments we are so quick to criticize are unaware of the contradictions of our own society.

			Yes we should work to free all people from oppressive governments and we all ought to defend the rights of all who speak on behalf of a better humanity. But by all people, let's include those living within the United States as well as those without, and let's at least look and listen before we criticize and condemn.[[User:Raven\|Raven]] 23:31, 19 February 2013 (EST)
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	5. President Nixon ordered the Ohio National Guard to break up anti-war protests on the Kent State campus. Four unarmed students were killed and twice as many were injured during a Cambodian War protest.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg-bzTHeAk]		5. President Nixon ordered the Ohio National Guard to break up anti-war protests on the Kent State campus. Four unarmed students were killed and twice as many were injured during a Cambodian War protest.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg-bzTHeAk]

			6.Five hundred thousand women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, it is estimated, were raped in the time that women have been serving in the United States military. Eight per cent of the cases reported went to trial and two per cent of the perpetrators were convicted. Some of those convicted were given medals of commendation and excellence in leadership awards while standing trial.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War][http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/invisible-war-has-changed-the-conversation-on-rape-in-the-military.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military][http://youtu.be/G8kxqXAPLOE][http://youtu.be/hshhUvSmoBI][http://youtu.be/1ifc_ongQFQ][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/women-in-air-force-say-sexual-misconduct-still-rampant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]

			7. Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, and Abner Louima, are just some examples of local U.S. police forces using excessive force in the last thirty years.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States][http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,AMNESTY,,USA,3ae6a9e18,0.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting][http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/21/nyregion/metro-matters-brutal-question-police-violence-public-trust.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm]

			8. In the United States right now, there are more African-American men serving prison sentences than there were enslaved by southern planters in 1850.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males][http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet][http://chronicle.com/article/In-Terms-of-Gender/135294/][http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/sunday-review/how-prisoners-make-data-look-good.html][http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think][http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik][http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/are-there-really-more-blacks-in-prison-than-were-in-slavery/][http://www.bet.com/news/national/2011/10/12/are-there-more-men-in-prison-now-than-were-enslaved-.html][http://www.theroot.com/buzz/more-black-men-prison-enslaved-1850]

			9. We all remember the tear gassing of the UC Davis students during the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in the fall of 2011. [http://youtu.be/rIccco4PRRk][http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident][http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/video-of-police-pepper-spraying-u-c-davis-students-provokes-outrage/][https://www.google.com/search?q=uc+davis+pepper+spray&hl=en&biw=1218&bih=715&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ce8kUdDQEe7x0wGJuIGYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QsAQ]Perhaps fewer of us are aware of the egregious treatment of the press in New York City.[http://www.alternet.org/story/156466/did_the_nypd_break_international_law_in_suppressing_protest][http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/nypd-occupy-press-pass/][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/occupy-wall-street-review_n_1707866.html][http://www.mediaite.com/online/occupy-wall-street-the-nypd-and-the-media-reconsidering-the-press-pass-in-a-digital-age/][http://storify.com/jcstearns/tracking-journalist-arrests-during-the-occupy-prot][http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/25-arrested-reporters-and-what-they-do][http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/nypd-pretending-journalists-.html][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/occupy-wall-street-journa_n_1107373.html

	Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]		Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]

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	== Links ==		== Links ==
			===Links Shared in Adobe Connect===
			Chinese hackers attack NYTs site: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/technology/chinese-hackers-infiltrate-new-york-times-computers.html?pagewanted=all

			China blocking access to NYTs: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/world/asia/china-blocks-web-access-to-new-york-times.html?_r=0

			Some general background on the Arab Spring: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_spring

			Lèse-majesté laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lese_majeste

			Herdict: https://www.herdict.org/

			Article about fantastic trangressive activism happening in China around memes that evade state censors: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/roflcon-internet-memes-thwart-chinas-political-censors

			Ethan Zuckerman on the ITU Debate: http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/12/05/good-and-bad-reasons-to-be-worried-about-wcit/

			The death that lead to the "I Am Khaled Saeed" Protest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Khaled_Mohamed_Saeed

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	3. "During the Civil War, [President] Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial. Nearly all of his actions, were subsequently upheld by Congress and the Courts." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_liberties_suspended] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus]		3. "During the Civil War, [President] Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial. Nearly all of his actions, were subsequently upheld by Congress and the Courts." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_liberties_suspended] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus]

	3. Up until very recently the Klu Klux Klan [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan]had an entry in the Louisiana phone book. The head of the local chapter ran for Governor of that state, as well as several national offices, and served in the Louisiana House of Representatives.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke]		4. Up until very recently the Klu Klux Klan [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan]had an entry in the Louisiana phone book. The head of the local chapter ran for Governor of that state, as well as several national offices, and served in the Louisiana House of Representatives.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke]

	4. President Nixon ordered the Ohio National Guard to break up anti-war protests on the Kent State campus. Four unarmed students were killed and twice as many were injured during a Cambodian War protest.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg-bzTHeAk]		5. President Nixon ordered the Ohio National Guard to break up anti-war protests on the Kent State campus. Four unarmed students were killed and twice as many were injured during a Cambodian War protest.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg-bzTHeAk]

	Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]		Against this backdrop, the blocking of access to YouTube for 30 days by the Egyptian government in an attempt, perhaps, to give some breathing room to a population undergoing tremendous and rapid change, seems like a mild suppression of free speech. Granted, blocking YouTube is not all the Egyptian government, or other governments are doing that we might not agree with, but before we criticize Egypt or other countries building a government after a revolution, we should think about how long it took the United States to grant all citizens equal rights. And we might want to think about what we as a country went through to get to this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War]

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	Do not think that the governments we are so quick to criticize are unaware of the contradictions of our own society. Yes we should work to free all people from oppressive governments and we all ought to defend the rights of all who speak on behalf of a better humanity. But by all people, let's include those living within the United States as well as those without, and let's at least look and listen before we criticize and condemn.[[User:Raven\|Raven]] 23:31, 19 February 2013 (EST)		Do not think that the governments we are so quick to criticize are unaware of the contradictions of our own society. Yes we should work to free all people from oppressive governments and we all ought to defend the rights of all who speak on behalf of a better humanity. But by all people, let's include those living within the United States as well as those without, and let's at least look and listen before we criticize and condemn.[[User:Raven\|Raven]] 23:31, 19 February 2013 (EST)
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