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Harvard212: /* Class Discussion */

2012-05-08T19:15:41Z

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	What Benkler is promoting and encouraging, I really rejoice for. There is so much opportunity for new things to happen in the world. I am interested in social movements for peace and a more harmonious society. Sometimes those things get suffocated under a blanket of commercial interests. I used to play in a band in the 60's. There was a short window of time when it seemed commercial interests did not weigh so heavily on what sort of message came out in the music, but it was very short-lived. After that, commercial interests were so obviously what dictated what got recorded, and so whatever new fad was invented by the marketing experts was pretty much what came out on the radio. Today, it is possible to promote many causes through the openings we have to self-publish music, art, or literature. New ideas can be spread through a variety of means without commercial interests or often, even governments being able to stop it. It really is a new day in many ways, but I wonder how long this freedom will last. I don't think it will last, as there are already attempts to stifle it. I love studying about this, though, and want to learn how to make the most of it while we can.[[User:Mike\|Mike]] 22:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)		What Benkler is promoting and encouraging, I really rejoice for. There is so much opportunity for new things to happen in the world. I am interested in social movements for peace and a more harmonious society. Sometimes those things get suffocated under a blanket of commercial interests. I used to play in a band in the 60's. There was a short window of time when it seemed commercial interests did not weigh so heavily on what sort of message came out in the music, but it was very short-lived. After that, commercial interests were so obviously what dictated what got recorded, and so whatever new fad was invented by the marketing experts was pretty much what came out on the radio. Today, it is possible to promote many causes through the openings we have to self-publish music, art, or literature. New ideas can be spread through a variety of means without commercial interests or often, even governments being able to stop it. It really is a new day in many ways, but I wonder how long this freedom will last. I don't think it will last, as there are already attempts to stifle it. I love studying about this, though, and want to learn how to make the most of it while we can.[[User:Mike\|Mike]] 22:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

			As usual Mike's inputs are harmony seeking. Essentially, it was this class/topic that had me started on the ideas of perception and motivation in discussions (for the earlier assignments). Again, agreeing with classmates that Wikipedia (unfortunately) has been the ignition tool for a lot of disputes to air on public wave length, perhaps continuing education would bring nuances and methodologies that are more productive. [[User: Harvard212\|Harvard212]] 15:15, 8 May 2012 EST

	Benkler's lecture highlights a collaborative spirit in which the collective community perpetuates innovation through organized common-interest highways. Since the internet is vast and the offline individual is limited to his or her personal mission and expertise without the strength of collective innovation, an online users' access to the expertise and inspiration of thousands of people who are willing to share, coupled by access to materials and innovations that are accessible through the Common's system, inspires each of the individuals to create and collaborate. In many cases, as in the blackbox example, this internet collective may not produce music or technology but the spread of information, which is a cornerstone to the millions of informational transactions that occur each day online.		Benkler's lecture highlights a collaborative spirit in which the collective community perpetuates innovation through organized common-interest highways. Since the internet is vast and the offline individual is limited to his or her personal mission and expertise without the strength of collective innovation, an online users' access to the expertise and inspiration of thousands of people who are willing to share, coupled by access to materials and innovations that are accessible through the Common's system, inspires each of the individuals to create and collaborate. In many cases, as in the blackbox example, this internet collective may not produce music or technology but the spread of information, which is a cornerstone to the millions of informational transactions that occur each day online.

Just Johnny: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-28T03:35:41Z

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	Perhaps what is most interesting about this modality of social plurality is that we are seeing new modes of essentially ritualistic human behavior. These processes are seemingly age old. At its core, we have an interesting problem of copying and corporate control, yet is something inherently human in design. There is a need to share and communicate, to have a cup of coffee with friends, yet is not easily controlled by a monetary system. So we are seeing a fundamental changing of the architecture underneath. This is what Benkler is notably commenting on with the rise of social media – flickr, youtube, and so forth, all add to the new dynamic of on the scene exchange of information. We wonder, why do we even need an authority news source to look to? The wealth, so it seems, then becomes within networks. What is also interesting about this is that we are changing the dynamics of class structure, making the playing fields more equal so to speak. There are still things that can be enjoyed without the use of a monetary system – food, exercise/sport, and … the internet. A stomping ground for the middle class to continue to generate ideas. And, what is interesting is how this ties into Reagle's "be nice" article. Sure, we have more ways to communicate, but we should also not stray from our human principles simply because we are averting the system of corporate control. There are ethics and codes within normal human contact, as is seen in everyday social situations. These codes are established norms within a community. Although, here we see these becoming merged with the architecture in place by Wikipedia. In this instance we have Wikipedia dictating these rules to us, which are basically agreed on values established in society. So, what is the difference here? Well, we now have a set of rules being dictated to us. Just as we look to the "news authority." There is a shift in self-sustainability, to simply deferring to authority figures. So this is interesting in how these unopposed ~~views~~ interact within these differing architectural frameworks.		Perhaps what is most interesting about this modality of social plurality is that we are seeing new modes of essentially ritualistic human behavior. These processes are seemingly age old. At its core, we have an interesting problem of copying and corporate control, yet is something inherently human in design. There is a need to share and communicate, to have a cup of coffee with friends, yet is not easily controlled by a monetary system. So we are seeing a fundamental changing of the architecture underneath. This is what Benkler is notably commenting on with the rise of social media – flickr, youtube, and so forth, all add to the new dynamic of on the scene exchange of information. We wonder, why do we even need an authority news source to look to? The wealth, so it seems, then becomes within networks. What is also interesting about this is that we are changing the dynamics of class structure, making the playing fields more equal so to speak. There are still things that can be enjoyed without the use of a monetary system – food, exercise/sport, and … the internet. A stomping ground for the middle class to continue to generate ideas. And, what is interesting is how this ties into Reagle's "be nice" article. Sure, we have more ways to communicate, but we should also not stray from our human principles simply because we are averting the system of corporate control. There are ethics and codes within normal human contact, as is seen in everyday social situations. These codes are established norms within a community. Although, here we see these becoming merged with the architecture in place by Wikipedia. In this instance we have Wikipedia dictating these rules to us, which are basically agreed on values established in society. So, what is the difference here? Well, we now have a set of rules being dictated to us. Just as we look to the "news authority." There is a shift in self-sustainability, to simply deferring to authority figures. So this is interesting in how these unopposed norms interact within these differing architectural frameworks.
	[[User:Just Johnny\|Just Johnny]] 17:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Just Johnny\|Just Johnny]] 17:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Just Johnny: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-28T03:32:26Z

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	Perhaps what is most interesting about this modality of social plurality is that we are seeing new modes of essentially ritualistic human behavior. These processes are seemingly age old. At its core, we have an interesting problem of copying and corporate control, yet is something inherently human in design. There is a need to share and communicate, to have a cup of coffee with friends, yet is not easily controlled by a monetary system. So we are seeing a fundamental changing of the architecture underneath. This is what Benkler is notably commenting on with the rise of social media – flickr, youtube, and so forth, all add to the new dynamic of on the scene exchange of information. We wonder, why do we even need an authority news source to look to? The wealth, so it seems, then becomes within networks. What is also interesting about this is that we are changing the dynamics of class structure, making the playing fields more equal so to speak. There are still things that can be enjoyed without the use of a monetary system – food, exercise/sport, and … the internet. A stomping ground for the middle class to continue to generate ideas. And, what is interesting is how this ties into Reagle's ~~“be nice”~~ article. Sure, we have more ways to communicate, but we should also not stray from our human principles simply because we are averting the system of corporate control. There are ethics and codes within normal human contact, as is seen in everyday social situations. These codes are established norms within a community. Although, here we see these becoming merged with the architecture in place by ~~a firm~~. In this instance we have Wikipedia dictating these rules to us, which are basically agreed on values established in society. So, what is the difference here? Well, we now have a set of rules being dictated to us. Just as we look to the ~~“news~~ authority.” There is a shift in self-sustainability, to simply deferring to authority figures. So this is interesting in how these unopposed views interact within these differing architectural frameworks.		Perhaps what is most interesting about this modality of social plurality is that we are seeing new modes of essentially ritualistic human behavior. These processes are seemingly age old. At its core, we have an interesting problem of copying and corporate control, yet is something inherently human in design. There is a need to share and communicate, to have a cup of coffee with friends, yet is not easily controlled by a monetary system. So we are seeing a fundamental changing of the architecture underneath. This is what Benkler is notably commenting on with the rise of social media – flickr, youtube, and so forth, all add to the new dynamic of on the scene exchange of information. We wonder, why do we even need an authority news source to look to? The wealth, so it seems, then becomes within networks. What is also interesting about this is that we are changing the dynamics of class structure, making the playing fields more equal so to speak. There are still things that can be enjoyed without the use of a monetary system – food, exercise/sport, and … the internet. A stomping ground for the middle class to continue to generate ideas. And, what is interesting is how this ties into Reagle's "be nice" article. Sure, we have more ways to communicate, but we should also not stray from our human principles simply because we are averting the system of corporate control. There are ethics and codes within normal human contact, as is seen in everyday social situations. These codes are established norms within a community. Although, here we see these becoming merged with the architecture in place by Wikipedia. In this instance we have Wikipedia dictating these rules to us, which are basically agreed on values established in society. So, what is the difference here? Well, we now have a set of rules being dictated to us. Just as we look to the "news authority." There is a shift in self-sustainability, to simply deferring to authority figures. So this is interesting in how these unopposed views interact within these differing architectural frameworks.
	[[User:Just Johnny\|Just Johnny]] 17:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Just Johnny\|Just Johnny]] 17:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


	Great discussion with Yochai Benkler on economics of social production and politics. The Diebold example is a perfect indication of showing how this system of the “structured web” is effective in "offering visibility to more people" and easier for each "individual and small group to speak and be heard." Has anyone by chance seen the HBO documentary, ''Hacking Democracy''? If not, check it out ([[http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsvideodocumentary]]), which gives a more in depth and detailed insight into the investigation Bev Harris and her associate Kathleen Wynne (Black Box Voting, Inc.) did to expose security weaknesses in electronic voting systems. Also demonstrates the "battle with institutional ecology" and how Benkler indicated the law usually "favors the incumbents and institutions” which is what you see happening in Harris’ case. Imagine if Harris would have started this investigation now with the increasing amount of online power that stems from individuals in the social sphere? Or for example, what we’ve recently seen with the power of public influence on legislation like SOPA/PIPA or with the Komen debacle. Could Harris have gone further or have state/county officials act much quicker? Possibly. I do agree and believe that it is easier to make a change or create these ''movements'' where “networked” individuals are banding together to act for various reasons be it politics, social injustice, etc and as Benkler puts it now on a “global, not only local" scale. [[User:JennLopez\|JennLopez]] 23:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)		Great discussion with Yochai Benkler on economics of social production and politics. The Diebold example is a perfect indication of showing how this system of the “structured web” is effective in "offering visibility to more people" and easier for each "individual and small group to speak and be heard." Has anyone by chance seen the HBO documentary, ''Hacking Democracy''? If not, check it out ([[http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsvideodocumentary]]), which gives a more in depth and detailed insight into the investigation Bev Harris and her associate Kathleen Wynne (Black Box Voting, Inc.) did to expose security weaknesses in electronic voting systems. Also demonstrates the "battle with institutional ecology" and how Benkler indicated the law usually "favors the incumbents and institutions” which is what you see happening in Harris’ case. Imagine if Harris would have started this investigation now with the increasing amount of online power that stems from individuals in the social sphere? Or for example, what we’ve recently seen with the power of public influence on legislation like SOPA/PIPA or with the Komen debacle. Could Harris have gone further or have state/county officials act much quicker? Possibly. I do agree and believe that it is easier to make a change or create these ''movements'' where “networked” individuals are banding together to act for various reasons be it politics, social injustice, etc and as Benkler puts it now on a “global, not only local" scale. [[User:JennLopez\|JennLopez]] 23:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Just Johnny: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-28T03:29:24Z

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	I think it was rather interesting how Uricchio described Benkler and Jenkins as having reciprocity in that they come from two different directions (culturally or socially), but occupy the same terrain. Can't wait to hear more in class. [[User:Mvalerio\|Mvalerio]] 21:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)		I think it was rather interesting how Uricchio described Benkler and Jenkins as having reciprocity in that they come from two different directions (culturally or socially), but occupy the same terrain. Can't wait to hear more in class. [[User:Mvalerio\|Mvalerio]] 21:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


			February 21: Peer Production and Collaboration

			Perhaps what is most interesting about this modality of social plurality is that we are seeing new modes of essentially ritualistic human behavior. These processes are seemingly age old. At its core, we have an interesting problem of copying and corporate control, yet is something inherently human in design. There is a need to share and communicate, to have a cup of coffee with friends, yet is not easily controlled by a monetary system. So we are seeing a fundamental changing of the architecture underneath. This is what Benkler is notably commenting on with the rise of social media – flickr, youtube, and so forth, all add to the new dynamic of on the scene exchange of information. We wonder, why do we even need an authority news source to look to? The wealth, so it seems, then becomes within networks. What is also interesting about this is that we are changing the dynamics of class structure, making the playing fields more equal so to speak. There are still things that can be enjoyed without the use of a monetary system – food, exercise/sport, and … the internet. A stomping ground for the middle class to continue to generate ideas. And, what is interesting is how this ties into Reagle's “be nice” article. Sure, we have more ways to communicate, but we should also not stray from our human principles simply because we are averting the system of corporate control. There are ethics and codes within normal human contact, as is seen in everyday social situations. These codes are established norms within a community. Although, here we see these becoming merged with the architecture in place by a firm. In this instance we have Wikipedia dictating these rules to us, which are basically agreed on values established in society. So, what is the difference here? Well, we now have a set of rules being dictated to us. Just as we look to the “news authority.” There is a shift in self-sustainability, to simply deferring to authority figures. So this is interesting in how these unopposed views interact within these differing architectural frameworks.
	[[User:Just Johnny\|Just Johnny]] 17:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Just Johnny\|Just Johnny]] 17:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Jimmyh: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-22T01:30:27Z

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	What Benkler is promoting and encouraging, I really rejoice for. There is so much opportunity for new things to happen in the world. I am interested in social movements for peace and a more harmonious society. Sometimes those things get suffocated under a blanket of commercial interests. I used to play in a band in the 60's. There was a short window of time when it seemed commercial interests did not weigh so heavily on what sort of message came out in the music, but it was very short-lived. After that, commercial interests were so obviously what dictated what got recorded, and so whatever new fad was invented by the marketing experts was pretty much what came out on the radio. Today, it is possible to promote many causes through the openings we have to self-publish music, art, or literature. New ideas can be spread through a variety of means without commercial interests or often, even governments being able to stop it. It really is a new day in many ways, but I wonder how long this freedom will last. I don't think it will last, as there are already attempts to stifle it. I love studying about this, though, and want to learn how to make the most of it while we can.[[User:Mike\|Mike]] 22:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)		What Benkler is promoting and encouraging, I really rejoice for. There is so much opportunity for new things to happen in the world. I am interested in social movements for peace and a more harmonious society. Sometimes those things get suffocated under a blanket of commercial interests. I used to play in a band in the 60's. There was a short window of time when it seemed commercial interests did not weigh so heavily on what sort of message came out in the music, but it was very short-lived. After that, commercial interests were so obviously what dictated what got recorded, and so whatever new fad was invented by the marketing experts was pretty much what came out on the radio. Today, it is possible to promote many causes through the openings we have to self-publish music, art, or literature. New ideas can be spread through a variety of means without commercial interests or often, even governments being able to stop it. It really is a new day in many ways, but I wonder how long this freedom will last. I don't think it will last, as there are already attempts to stifle it. I love studying about this, though, and want to learn how to make the most of it while we can.[[User:Mike\|Mike]] 22:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

			Benkler's lecture highlights a collaborative spirit in which the collective community perpetuates innovation through organized common-interest highways. Since the internet is vast and the offline individual is limited to his or her personal mission and expertise without the strength of collective innovation, an online users' access to the expertise and inspiration of thousands of people who are willing to share, coupled by access to materials and innovations that are accessible through the Common's system, inspires each of the individuals to create and collaborate. In many cases, as in the blackbox example, this internet collective may not produce music or technology but the spread of information, which is a cornerstone to the millions of informational transactions that occur each day online.
			--[[User:Jimmyh\|Jimmyh]] 01:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Mike: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-21T22:49:23Z

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	I found the contrasts between Benkler and the “Be Nice” article interesting. Benkler believes that the internet has led to more social “sharing, collaboration,” and “exchange,” such as on discussion boards and Wikipedia. The “Be Nice” article emphasized how disputes on Wikipedia can be counter-productive. Since Wikipedia is open for editing by anyone, disputes can hard to avoid since people can be defensive and hold grudges, while others enjoy instigating disputes, such as “vandals” and “trolls.” I find it interesting and agree that disputing is addicting, since some people with big egos do not like to admit they are wrong. [[User:Qdang\|Qdang]] 21:09, 21 February 2012 (UTC)		I found the contrasts between Benkler and the “Be Nice” article interesting. Benkler believes that the internet has led to more social “sharing, collaboration,” and “exchange,” such as on discussion boards and Wikipedia. The “Be Nice” article emphasized how disputes on Wikipedia can be counter-productive. Since Wikipedia is open for editing by anyone, disputes can hard to avoid since people can be defensive and hold grudges, while others enjoy instigating disputes, such as “vandals” and “trolls.” I find it interesting and agree that disputing is addicting, since some people with big egos do not like to admit they are wrong. [[User:Qdang\|Qdang]] 21:09, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

			What Benkler is promoting and encouraging, I really rejoice for. There is so much opportunity for new things to happen in the world. I am interested in social movements for peace and a more harmonious society. Sometimes those things get suffocated under a blanket of commercial interests. I used to play in a band in the 60's. There was a short window of time when it seemed commercial interests did not weigh so heavily on what sort of message came out in the music, but it was very short-lived. After that, commercial interests were so obviously what dictated what got recorded, and so whatever new fad was invented by the marketing experts was pretty much what came out on the radio. Today, it is possible to promote many causes through the openings we have to self-publish music, art, or literature. New ideas can be spread through a variety of means without commercial interests or often, even governments being able to stop it. It really is a new day in many ways, but I wonder how long this freedom will last. I don't think it will last, as there are already attempts to stifle it. I love studying about this, though, and want to learn how to make the most of it while we can.[[User:Mike\|Mike]] 22:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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Fabiancelisj: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-21T22:33:51Z

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	I like the Yocha's Idea that "what we see now is the emergence of social sharing and exchange as a major additional modality of production." He says this has created new competition, like the PSP to the recording industry, the Free Open Source Software to Microsoft, Wikipedia to Grollier and Encarta, and Skype to Telecomms. I like these new opportunities that have been arising and personally think they are unstopable. As he said, at the beginning nobody would have thought that an the collaboration of many users could create an encyclopedia, but now we have Wikipedia as another source of information, differing from Britannica in scope but with the same aims, to spread knowledge. Indeed, Wikipedia is a source of controversy itself, but opinions are diverse and personally i liked the one in the NPR program from a participant who said that he relies on Wikipedia more than another encyclopedia because more people participate in the building of the articles.		I like the Yocha's Idea that "what we see now is the emergence of social sharing and exchange as a major additional modality of production." He says this has created new competition, like the PSP to the recording industry, the Free Open Source Software to Microsoft, Wikipedia to Grollier and Encarta, and Skype to Telecomms. I like these new opportunities that have been arising and personally think they are unstopable. As he said, at the beginning nobody would have thought that an the collaboration of many users could create an encyclopedia, but now we have Wikipedia as another source of information, differing from Britannica in scope but with the same aims, to spread knowledge. Indeed, Wikipedia is a source of controversy itself, but opinions are diverse and personally i liked the one in the NPR program from a participant who said that he relies on Wikipedia more than another encyclopedia because more people participate in the building of the articles.[[User:Fabiancelisj\|Fabiancelisj]] 22:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

	I think it was rather interesting how Uricchio described Benkler and Jenkins as having reciprocity in that they come from two different directions (culturally or socially), but occupy the same terrain. Can't wait to hear more in class. [[User:Mvalerio\|Mvalerio]] 21:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)		I think it was rather interesting how Uricchio described Benkler and Jenkins as having reciprocity in that they come from two different directions (culturally or socially), but occupy the same terrain. Can't wait to hear more in class. [[User:Mvalerio\|Mvalerio]] 21:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Fabiancelisj: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-21T22:33:35Z

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			I like the Yocha's Idea that "what we see now is the emergence of social sharing and exchange as a major additional modality of production." He says this has created new competition, like the PSP to the recording industry, the Free Open Source Software to Microsoft, Wikipedia to Grollier and Encarta, and Skype to Telecomms. I like these new opportunities that have been arising and personally think they are unstopable. As he said, at the beginning nobody would have thought that an the collaboration of many users could create an encyclopedia, but now we have Wikipedia as another source of information, differing from Britannica in scope but with the same aims, to spread knowledge. Indeed, Wikipedia is a source of controversy itself, but opinions are diverse and personally i liked the one in the NPR program from a participant who said that he relies on Wikipedia more than another encyclopedia because more people participate in the building of the articles.

	I think it was rather interesting how Uricchio described Benkler and Jenkins as having reciprocity in that they come from two different directions (culturally or socially), but occupy the same terrain. Can't wait to hear more in class. [[User:Mvalerio\|Mvalerio]] 21:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)		I think it was rather interesting how Uricchio described Benkler and Jenkins as having reciprocity in that they come from two different directions (culturally or socially), but occupy the same terrain. Can't wait to hear more in class. [[User:Mvalerio\|Mvalerio]] 21:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Rheacock at 22:24, 21 February 2012

2012-02-21T22:24:56Z

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	The free software movement is one example of a trend towards distributed volunteer networks of individuals collaborating on collective projects that were formerly the domain of the for-profit private sector. In this session, we explore how far such peer production can go in redefining the economic and social structures of modern society.		The free software movement is one example of a trend towards distributed volunteer networks of individuals collaborating on collective projects that were formerly the domain of the for-profit private sector. In this session, we explore how far such peer production can go in redefining the economic and social structures of modern society.

			'''[http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/is2013/sites/is2013/images/ISFebruary21.pdf Download this week's slides (PDF)]'''

Aberg: /* Class Discussion */

2012-02-21T22:12:29Z

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	Great discussion with Yochai Benkler on economics of social production and politics. The Diebold example is a perfect indication of showing how this system of the “structured web” is effective in "offering visibility to more people" and easier for each "individual and small group to speak and be heard." Has anyone by chance seen the HBO documentary, ''Hacking Democracy''? If not, check it out ([[http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsvideodocumentary]]), which gives a more in depth and detailed insight into the investigation Bev Harris and her associate Kathleen Wynne (Black Box Voting, Inc.) did to expose security weaknesses in electronic voting systems. Also demonstrates the "battle with institutional ecology" and how Benkler indicated the law usually "favors the incumbents and institutions” which is what you see happening in Harris’ case. Imagine if Harris would have started this investigation now with the increasing amount of online power that stems from individuals in the social sphere? Or for example, what we’ve recently seen with the power of public influence on legislation like SOPA/PIPA or with the Komen debacle. Could Harris have gone further or have state/county officials act much quicker? Possibly. I do agree and believe that it is easier to make a change or create these ''movements'' where “networked” individuals are banding together to act for various reasons be it politics, social injustice, etc and as Benkler puts it now on a “global, not only local" scale. [[User:JennLopez\|JennLopez]] 23:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)		Great discussion with Yochai Benkler on economics of social production and politics. The Diebold example is a perfect indication of showing how this system of the “structured web” is effective in "offering visibility to more people" and easier for each "individual and small group to speak and be heard." Has anyone by chance seen the HBO documentary, ''Hacking Democracy''? If not, check it out ([[http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsvideodocumentary]]), which gives a more in depth and detailed insight into the investigation Bev Harris and her associate Kathleen Wynne (Black Box Voting, Inc.) did to expose security weaknesses in electronic voting systems. Also demonstrates the "battle with institutional ecology" and how Benkler indicated the law usually "favors the incumbents and institutions” which is what you see happening in Harris’ case. Imagine if Harris would have started this investigation now with the increasing amount of online power that stems from individuals in the social sphere? Or for example, what we’ve recently seen with the power of public influence on legislation like SOPA/PIPA or with the Komen debacle. Could Harris have gone further or have state/county officials act much quicker? Possibly. I do agree and believe that it is easier to make a change or create these ''movements'' where “networked” individuals are banding together to act for various reasons be it politics, social injustice, etc and as Benkler puts it now on a “global, not only local" scale. [[User:JennLopez\|JennLopez]] 23:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

			The wiki norms laid out in "Be Nice" can, as Reagle states, foster better conflict resolution offline. I also agree with Reagle's stance that the sometimes caustic environment/arguments on wikipedia are "necessary to properly appreciate the scope of the community and its culture." When there are millions of people hailing from a wild variety of social and cultural norms in one online arena, these disputes are to be expected. However, this somewhat negative aspect of peer production and collaboration is the same thing that makes it so great -- so many different people with a variety of skills and insights. [[User:Aberg\|Aberg]] 22:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

	Very impressive points by Benkler, great summation. I'm very curious about his idea that even further expansion of the sorts of things that are peer sourced will continue inexorably. I agree with him, but I can't see how that will work in some cases where the goods are too integral to a specific industry or company's survival. It may be well and good that the online group can produce wiki entries or sift through pictures of Mars, but what happens when the task that needs to be completed is one that only a small handful of extremely highly trained experts can do? What about heart surgery techniques, or certain complex nuclear systems? The examples I make aren't perfect but I hope the point is clear. Those experts need a large framework both to be created and supported as they work (through the large cost of schooling, training, getting experience, sustaining work with expensive materials, etc.) Whether the companies pay that or whether the "future experts" pay it themselves with the promise of a high-paying job that will recoup their expenses when they become full experts, that is still a very very expensive system. Can it exist in a world where there is so much less profit attached, and where the other functions that company used to perform and fill its coffers with are now totally outsourced to the online crowd? I know this is in some ways a rehashing of the classic "Innovation is Good and Can Happen Free!! vs. You Have To Allow Patents and Profit or Innovation Dies!!" argument, but I'm curious about the ripple effect that can have. ([[User:AlexLE\|AlexLE]] 01:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC))		Very impressive points by Benkler, great summation. I'm very curious about his idea that even further expansion of the sorts of things that are peer sourced will continue inexorably. I agree with him, but I can't see how that will work in some cases where the goods are too integral to a specific industry or company's survival. It may be well and good that the online group can produce wiki entries or sift through pictures of Mars, but what happens when the task that needs to be completed is one that only a small handful of extremely highly trained experts can do? What about heart surgery techniques, or certain complex nuclear systems? The examples I make aren't perfect but I hope the point is clear. Those experts need a large framework both to be created and supported as they work (through the large cost of schooling, training, getting experience, sustaining work with expensive materials, etc.) Whether the companies pay that or whether the "future experts" pay it themselves with the promise of a high-paying job that will recoup their expenses when they become full experts, that is still a very very expensive system. Can it exist in a world where there is so much less profit attached, and where the other functions that company used to perform and fill its coffers with are now totally outsourced to the online crowd? I know this is in some ways a rehashing of the classic "Innovation is Good and Can Happen Free!! vs. You Have To Allow Patents and Profit or Innovation Dies!!" argument, but I'm curious about the ripple effect that can have. ([[User:AlexLE\|AlexLE]] 01:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC))

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	Great discussion with Yochai Benkler on economics of social production and politics. The Diebold example is a perfect indication of showing how this system of the “structured web” is effective in "offering visibility to more people" and easier for each "individual and small group to speak and be heard." Has anyone by chance seen the HBO documentary, ''Hacking Democracy''? If not, check it out ([[http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsvideodocumentary]]), which gives a more in depth and detailed insight into the investigation Bev Harris and her associate Kathleen Wynne (Black Box Voting, Inc.) did to expose security weaknesses in electronic voting systems. Also demonstrates the "battle with institutional ecology" and how Benkler indicated the law usually "favors the incumbents and institutions” which is what you see happening in Harris’ case. Imagine if Harris would have started this investigation now with the increasing amount of online power that stems from individuals in the social sphere? Or for example, what we’ve recently seen with the power of public influence on legislation like SOPA/PIPA or with the Komen debacle. Could Harris have gone further or have state/county officials act much quicker? Possibly. I do agree and believe that it is easier to make a change or create these ''movements'' where “networked” individuals are banding together to act for various reasons be it politics, social injustice, etc and as Benkler puts it now on a “global, not only local" scale. [[User:JennLopez\|JennLopez]] 23:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)		Great discussion with Yochai Benkler on economics of social production and politics. The Diebold example is a perfect indication of showing how this system of the “structured web” is effective in "offering visibility to more people" and easier for each "individual and small group to speak and be heard." Has anyone by chance seen the HBO documentary, ''Hacking Democracy''? If not, check it out ([[http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsvideodocumentary]]), which gives a more in depth and detailed insight into the investigation Bev Harris and her associate Kathleen Wynne (Black Box Voting, Inc.) did to expose security weaknesses in electronic voting systems. Also demonstrates the "battle with institutional ecology" and how Benkler indicated the law usually "favors the incumbents and institutions” which is what you see happening in Harris’ case. Imagine if Harris would have started this investigation now with the increasing amount of online power that stems from individuals in the social sphere? Or for example, what we’ve recently seen with the power of public influence on legislation like SOPA/PIPA or with the Komen debacle. Could Harris have gone further or have state/county officials act much quicker? Possibly. I do agree and believe that it is easier to make a change or create these ''movements'' where “networked” individuals are banding together to act for various reasons be it politics, social injustice, etc and as Benkler puts it now on a “global, not only local" scale. [[User:JennLopez\|JennLopez]] 23:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

			The wiki norms laid out in "Be Nice" can, as Reagle states, foster better conflict resolution offline. I also agree with Reagle's stance that the sometimes caustic environment/arguments on wikipedia are "necessary to properly appreciate the scope of the community and its culture." When there are millions of people hailing from a wild variety of social and cultural norms in one online arena, these disputes are to be expected. However, this somewhat negative aspect of peer production and collaboration is the same thing that makes it so great -- so many different people with a variety of skills and insights. [[User:Aberg\|Aberg]] 22:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

	Very impressive points by Benkler, great summation. I'm very curious about his idea that even further expansion of the sorts of things that are peer sourced will continue inexorably. I agree with him, but I can't see how that will work in some cases where the goods are too integral to a specific industry or company's survival. It may be well and good that the online group can produce wiki entries or sift through pictures of Mars, but what happens when the task that needs to be completed is one that only a small handful of extremely highly trained experts can do? What about heart surgery techniques, or certain complex nuclear systems? The examples I make aren't perfect but I hope the point is clear. Those experts need a large framework both to be created and supported as they work (through the large cost of schooling, training, getting experience, sustaining work with expensive materials, etc.) Whether the companies pay that or whether the "future experts" pay it themselves with the promise of a high-paying job that will recoup their expenses when they become full experts, that is still a very very expensive system. Can it exist in a world where there is so much less profit attached, and where the other functions that company used to perform and fill its coffers with are now totally outsourced to the online crowd? I know this is in some ways a rehashing of the classic "Innovation is Good and Can Happen Free!! vs. You Have To Allow Patents and Profit or Innovation Dies!!" argument, but I'm curious about the ripple effect that can have. ([[User:AlexLE\|AlexLE]] 01:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC))		Very impressive points by Benkler, great summation. I'm very curious about his idea that even further expansion of the sorts of things that are peer sourced will continue inexorably. I agree with him, but I can't see how that will work in some cases where the goods are too integral to a specific industry or company's survival. It may be well and good that the online group can produce wiki entries or sift through pictures of Mars, but what happens when the task that needs to be completed is one that only a small handful of extremely highly trained experts can do? What about heart surgery techniques, or certain complex nuclear systems? The examples I make aren't perfect but I hope the point is clear. Those experts need a large framework both to be created and supported as they work (through the large cost of schooling, training, getting experience, sustaining work with expensive materials, etc.) Whether the companies pay that or whether the "future experts" pay it themselves with the promise of a high-paying job that will recoup their expenses when they become full experts, that is still a very very expensive system. Can it exist in a world where there is so much less profit attached, and where the other functions that company used to perform and fill its coffers with are now totally outsourced to the online crowd? I know this is in some ways a rehashing of the classic "Innovation is Good and Can Happen Free!! vs. You Have To Allow Patents and Profit or Innovation Dies!!" argument, but I'm curious about the ripple effect that can have. ([[User:AlexLE\|AlexLE]] 01:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC))