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*The internet allows anyone who has something to say to get a website, get online, and say it.  But this is not the same thing as a stronger, less biased, more informed media.  In fact, it is the opposite.
*The internet allows anyone who has something to say to get a website, get online, and say it.  But this is not the same thing as a stronger, less biased, more informed media.  In fact, it is the opposite.
**Individuals who want to get online and participate in politics are likely to have a strong point of view.  Thus, they are likely to be more biased, not less biased, than mainstream media and larger entities.
**Individuals who want to get online and participate in politics are likely to have a strong point of view.  Thus, they are likely to be more biased, not less biased, than mainstream media and larger entities.
**Individuals who create blogs are not people with special inside information about certain topics - they are just individuals with opinions.  They likely get the news about which they post from the mainstream media itself.  Thus, the internet has not created a more informed media.
**Individuals who create blogs are generally not people with special inside information about certain topics - they are just individuals with opinions.  They likely get the news about which they post from the mainstream media itself.  Thus, the internet has not created a more informed media.
*The most important aspect of a strong, unbiased, informed media is the ability to convey true information to a citizenry.  Cititzens need to be able to trust the information they recieve.
*The most important aspect of a strong, unbiased, informed media is the ability to convey true information to a citizenry.  Cititzens need to be able to trust the information they recieve.
**The internet has made that less likely, not more.  Sites like blogs, personal discussion pages, and even Wikipedia can be riddled with inaccuracies.  For instance, Allen Iverson's favorite color is not blue - I just put it up there in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson#Trivia trivia section].  Let's see if it will get fixed.
**The internet has made that less likely, not more.  Sites like blogs, personal discussion pages, and even Wikipedia can be riddled with inaccuracies.  For instance, Allen Iverson's favorite color is not blue, but I just put that fact up in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson#Trivia Wikipedia Iverson trivia section].  Let's see if it will get fixed.
*The internet definitely gives individuals the power to broadcast their messages across the world, but if nobody reads it, nothing will happen.  There are so many voices that none of them are being heard.  White noise is not democracy.  It only clouds issues and masks what candidates are really trying to say. There are still just a few voices that control discourse, just like the situation before the internet. (Shirkey's curve)
*Information on the internet can be derived from two categories of sites: classic newspaper-like sites run by the mainstream media, and sites run by individuals with little accountability.  In countries with a fairly reliable mainstream media, the second category of sites is much less trustworthy, and people will continue to rely on the mainstream sites for their news.  Even in countries in which the mainstream media is controlled or biased, people searching for information will have a hard time finding true information.  If the government can control the mainstream media, it can also post blogs of misinformation.  Even if some blogs post the truth, individuals will have a hard time sorting those from the false ones.  Thus, the internet has not changed the nature of the media.
 
===Fair and Balanced Elections===
*While it is easy for a new/unknown candidate to put up a website, it takes more than a website to get elected.  We have yet to see a candidate come from obscurity and get elected on the basis of his web presence.  The Dean campaign, which could have been the example for this, failed.
*The idea that an unsupported candidate can garner all the support he needs by getting himself noticed online is unrealistic - especially in light of the Shirky article.  See the Power Law section below.
 
===Engaged Citizenry===
*There is no question that there are politically motivated individuals on the web who are engaged in politics and engage each other by means of the internet.
*But the internet is just a new space for this activity.  Without the internet, politically motivated people would motivate in other ways.
**There is an argument that the internet makes it easier for people to be engaged, so people who would not otherwise participate are doing so now.  But this argument is circular.  The internet has merely made it easier for people to participate in politics in certain ways.  The internet has also made it easier to communicate with friends via email and instant message.  But that does not mean that people communicate with friends more now than they did before.  It just means that they use the internet more, and the phone and visits less. 
*The internet has made it easier for people to engage on topics that interest them, but it is certainly not pushing them towards politics.
**A quick Global Voices survey of the [http://globalvoicesonline.org/-/world/sub-saharan-africa/nigeria/ blogs in Nigeria] shows that people are blogging about a new dance inspired by soccer moves, wealthy Americans, and an investment opportunity. 
**People are using the web to do things they were otherwise inclined to do, and no more.  While I may search the web for YouTube videos of political flub-ups, my friend is reading [http://www.thesuperficial.com/ The Superficial].
 
===Educated Citizenry===
*The availability of more information on the web does not mean that the citizenry will be more educated, as much of the information on the web is misinformation, and the creators of individual sites are less accountable than mainstream media.
**For example, a number of websites [http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/not/index.htm like this one], which falsely state that HIV does not cause AIDs, have caused a fairly big crisis in South Africa.
 
====Transparency and Accountability====
*While the internet can be used to reveal bad things that politicians have done, in order to educate the public, it can also be used to create lies about politicians.  A reliable-looking story about how Governor Romney made a racist comment could fly around the internet very quickly, even if untrue.
**A lie that like could ruin a candidate, and never be dispelled.  Even if Romney denies it, he could be permanently sullied in the eyes of voters.  Indeed, even if voters realize that the rumor was untrue, it may become an association in their minds anyways.  you can't unring a bell.
 
===General Arguments Against the Effect of the Internet===*The internet definitely gives individuals the power to broadcast their messages across the world, but if nobody reads it, nothing will happen.  There are so many voices that none of them are being heard.  White noise is not democracy.  It only clouds issues and masks what candidates are really trying to say. There are still just a few voices that control discourse, just like the situation before the internet. (Shirkey's curve)
*Sites like Global Voices only attract save-the-world types who do a lot of talking but don't have any real power to effect change.  Nobody else will see it.
*Sites like Global Voices only attract save-the-world types who do a lot of talking but don't have any real power to effect change.  Nobody else will see it.
*If the stories on Global Voices were salient to enough of any given population that their outrage would make a difference, the mainstream media would pick up the story itself.  These bloggers are just white noise in the background.  As gripping as their stories might be, there won't be more people that care enough to put down their latte and do something about it just because it's online.
*If the stories on Global Voices were salient to enough of any given population that their outrage would make a difference, the mainstream media would pick up the story itself.  These bloggers are just white noise in the background.  As gripping as their stories might be, there won't be more people that care enough to put down their latte and do something about it just because it's online.

Revision as of 22:22, 18 February 2007

The Question

"Resolved: The Internet enables citizens to have a greater voice in politics and is, on balance, already a tremendous force for strengthening participatory democracies around the world."

Quick Link to The Affirmative Argument

The Argument Against the Resolution:

Introduction

While accepting the factors for participatory democracies set forth in the Positive Argument section, this section will show that the internet has not had the tremendous effect on democracy that it is claimed to have had. Further, while the internet has enabled some citizens to find their voices and influence politics in a way they would not otherwise have been able to, the internet's ability to do that is decreasing, not increasing.

A Strong, Unbiased, Informed Media

  • The internet allows anyone who has something to say to get a website, get online, and say it. But this is not the same thing as a stronger, less biased, more informed media. In fact, it is the opposite.
    • Individuals who want to get online and participate in politics are likely to have a strong point of view. Thus, they are likely to be more biased, not less biased, than mainstream media and larger entities.
    • Individuals who create blogs are generally not people with special inside information about certain topics - they are just individuals with opinions. They likely get the news about which they post from the mainstream media itself. Thus, the internet has not created a more informed media.
  • The most important aspect of a strong, unbiased, informed media is the ability to convey true information to a citizenry. Cititzens need to be able to trust the information they recieve.
    • The internet has made that less likely, not more. Sites like blogs, personal discussion pages, and even Wikipedia can be riddled with inaccuracies. For instance, Allen Iverson's favorite color is not blue, but I just put that fact up in the Wikipedia Iverson trivia section. Let's see if it will get fixed.
  • Information on the internet can be derived from two categories of sites: classic newspaper-like sites run by the mainstream media, and sites run by individuals with little accountability. In countries with a fairly reliable mainstream media, the second category of sites is much less trustworthy, and people will continue to rely on the mainstream sites for their news. Even in countries in which the mainstream media is controlled or biased, people searching for information will have a hard time finding true information. If the government can control the mainstream media, it can also post blogs of misinformation. Even if some blogs post the truth, individuals will have a hard time sorting those from the false ones. Thus, the internet has not changed the nature of the media.

Fair and Balanced Elections

  • While it is easy for a new/unknown candidate to put up a website, it takes more than a website to get elected. We have yet to see a candidate come from obscurity and get elected on the basis of his web presence. The Dean campaign, which could have been the example for this, failed.
  • The idea that an unsupported candidate can garner all the support he needs by getting himself noticed online is unrealistic - especially in light of the Shirky article. See the Power Law section below.

Engaged Citizenry

  • There is no question that there are politically motivated individuals on the web who are engaged in politics and engage each other by means of the internet.
  • But the internet is just a new space for this activity. Without the internet, politically motivated people would motivate in other ways.
    • There is an argument that the internet makes it easier for people to be engaged, so people who would not otherwise participate are doing so now. But this argument is circular. The internet has merely made it easier for people to participate in politics in certain ways. The internet has also made it easier to communicate with friends via email and instant message. But that does not mean that people communicate with friends more now than they did before. It just means that they use the internet more, and the phone and visits less.
  • The internet has made it easier for people to engage on topics that interest them, but it is certainly not pushing them towards politics.
    • A quick Global Voices survey of the blogs in Nigeria shows that people are blogging about a new dance inspired by soccer moves, wealthy Americans, and an investment opportunity.
    • People are using the web to do things they were otherwise inclined to do, and no more. While I may search the web for YouTube videos of political flub-ups, my friend is reading The Superficial.

Educated Citizenry

  • The availability of more information on the web does not mean that the citizenry will be more educated, as much of the information on the web is misinformation, and the creators of individual sites are less accountable than mainstream media.
    • For example, a number of websites like this one, which falsely state that HIV does not cause AIDs, have caused a fairly big crisis in South Africa.

Transparency and Accountability

  • While the internet can be used to reveal bad things that politicians have done, in order to educate the public, it can also be used to create lies about politicians. A reliable-looking story about how Governor Romney made a racist comment could fly around the internet very quickly, even if untrue.
    • A lie that like could ruin a candidate, and never be dispelled. Even if Romney denies it, he could be permanently sullied in the eyes of voters. Indeed, even if voters realize that the rumor was untrue, it may become an association in their minds anyways. you can't unring a bell.

===General Arguments Against the Effect of the Internet===*The internet definitely gives individuals the power to broadcast their messages across the world, but if nobody reads it, nothing will happen. There are so many voices that none of them are being heard. White noise is not democracy. It only clouds issues and masks what candidates are really trying to say. There are still just a few voices that control discourse, just like the situation before the internet. (Shirkey's curve)

  • Sites like Global Voices only attract save-the-world types who do a lot of talking but don't have any real power to effect change. Nobody else will see it.
  • If the stories on Global Voices were salient to enough of any given population that their outrage would make a difference, the mainstream media would pick up the story itself. These bloggers are just white noise in the background. As gripping as their stories might be, there won't be more people that care enough to put down their latte and do something about it just because it's online.
  • Sunsteins arguments:
    • "Daily Me" - everything is so filtered that it doesn't serve the important function of educating or persuading. In fact, it increases partisanship and extremism.
  • The government presence on the internet (and lack of understanding about exactly what government can do to find you) chills speech and political activity online. The mere thought that the government's "sword of Damocles" is hanging over you is enough to stifle free political speech.
    • Whereas before you could send an anonymous tip to a reporter who could publish it safely, now people will fear the government can trace the tip back to the source. So they stay quiet. You can of course still use the old methods, but people may not think of that because the internet is so dominant.
    • As the web becomes more tethered and less generative, regulability of individuals online increases. (e.g. Great Firewall of China) That's not such a huge problem in countries with relatively robust notions of free speech and assembly, but in developing democracies, that may mean that the government will have the ability to cut off the only means of political discourse that most individuals have.
    • The internet allows for more pervasive psychological control by governments than ever before. As Palfrey suggested, it seems China has a strategy to constantly change what is blocked and what is not. That sends the message to internet users that government knows what you're trying to get at, is baiting you to click on it, and is just waiting to pounce. Terrifies citizens and controls their thoughts and actions in a way that the SS or China's Red Guards never could have done.
  • Misinformation kills. Along with the power to educate comes the power to delude. A smear campaign started by one person with a grudge can really change the outcome of a close election, or discredit an entire issue. And it's often impossible to un-ring the bell. Nobody wants to read retractions. So, individuals have enormous power to screw up the political process.
    • Some websites which have freely open communal editing feature might contain false and bias political information since such feature is likely to attract people to provide inputs that may mislead the fact or truth for, inter alia, their political interests. One of the interesting samples of the false information on the internet that derived from this feature is the John Seigenthaler case where he was accused in the Wikipedia to involve in the Kennedy assassinations (John Seigenthaler case at usatoday.com)
  • As we saw with the Obama, Clinton and Romney websites, they're mostly using the internet as a platform to talk "at" people, just like they did with the TV. The only difference is it's free. That indicates that at least those candidates don't think it's much of an improvement over traditional media. If this is all they can come up with, it doesn't look like it's going to revolutionize American presidential politics.
    • For the most part, it just seems like American presidential candidates are just using the internet to make them seem hip. (e.g. the DoddPod). They're not using it as a revolutionary tool, but rather as a fashion accessory.
  • Individuals may have a place at the table now, but they are not accountable. A free-for-all system is not good for democracy.