DNSO General Assembly and Names Council Real-Time Discussion Logs
June 2, 2001 -- Stockholm, Sweden

Nickname - Message
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:53) Just had a message from Ben. People are arriving slowly. Having trouble finding the room. They'll start soon
<Shore> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:53) Thanks, Leah
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:54) Hi Gary
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:54) k
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:54) Welcome
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:54) hi Gary
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:54) Hey all
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:54) Gary, what's your take on the cctLD defection?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:55) Think they're just trying for their piece like everyone
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:55) how do you think it could affect the GA?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:56) I've mostly given up hope on the ga
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:56) Geez, don't I sound pessimistic :)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:57) It seems pretty sad
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:57) Actually I'm upbeat, partly due to the cc's
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:57) me too
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:58) hi bret
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:58) well - final stats for leah
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:59) i've had 237856 queries since we last talked voice
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:59) and a major isp
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:59) uses both
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:59) is anyone in this chat in Stockholm?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 02:59) no one on this list that I know of
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:00) where's Ben?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:01) I'm only 3km's north of the US, ie: 2 miles into Canada :) and I don't think ICANN groks the fact that they're seen as too US centric and the ccTLDs don't really *need* ICANN
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:01) how true.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:03) EG: In Canada many of the major brick and mortars advertize their .ca addies, a lot of them have the come and net equivalents but don't use them
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:03) er com not come
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:04) VeriSign has been busy this week - http://corporate.verisign.com/news (.bz, .cc, and .nu)
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:04) this is partly to appeal to nationalism, keep the money at home etc. and partly to reassure online purchasers that they don't have to mess with duty, taxes, exchange rate, shipping etc.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:05) I think it is a great idea.. Dot com is so over-rated
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:06) The net is becoming less centralized, this is largely a Good Thing, and ICANN is becoming an anacronism
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:06) the net is very good at routing around damage.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:07) And idiocy
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:07) hey Sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:07) hello folks
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:07) have I missed anything?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) nothing yet... we're still waiting
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) WB lextext
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) oh goodie. How have you been Kendall?
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) thanks
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) Hi Leah
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) good how have you been?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) As countries mature netwise they want more control of their online space, why allow ICANN *any* say?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:08) busy, but fine, thanks.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) any more cartoons coming up?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) Hi Sotiris
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) Verisign has been busy cutting deals with CCtlds.. (.bz, .cc and .nu)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) Ask Kendall, Sotiris
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) yep... part 3 is coming
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) as soon as I start on it :)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) hehe, can't wait :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) If you need any help with the scripts... just ask.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:09) Ya mean that's not what we're watching? :)
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:10) ok... I've gotten quite a few already...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:10) not that they're bad. I just have some ideas...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:10) let's bring in the masses..
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:10) that is a good thing!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:10) remember my idea about educating newbies? I still want to do it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:11) yesterday, I spoke with 5 computer geeks (my neighbour, is son, and three of their friends/associates, on the front lawn of their home. Outreach.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:11) so far the icann movies have been aimed at people like us... DNS geeks :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:11) they knew nothing of what's going on here in DNS policy land.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:11) and they don't really care...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:11) exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:12) not true, Leah.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:12) they just want to turn on computer and press go for internet
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:12) in part, yes, but they also like the idea of Information flowing freely.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:12) they do care about that and where their email will go
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:12) which is being threatened
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:12) I know... I want to eventually start to focus on education and outreach. No acronyms, no BS... just the straight story in a easy to understand way.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:13) need a weekly series :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:13) Yes, that would be best... as I said, I have some ideas.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:13) like peanuts
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:13) Sotiris when you get some time... drop me an email and let me know what's on your mind
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) brb
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) it must begin with the beginning.. a definition of domain space, in simple and easy to understand terms.. Like Star Wars..
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) brb
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) LOL
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) I'm wearing my Princess Leah shirt right now :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) replete with Ewoks and Chewbacca
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) brb - have to answer some mail
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) :-)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) we're gonna have a new one soon, too
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:14) This was scheduled for 8:30, right?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) 9:00
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) was my understanding
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) Star Wars - Episode 2 ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) hehehehe
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) the Empire Strikes Itself
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) hahahha
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:15) Right OUT
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:16) ;-)
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:16) I got the new issue of "Web Hosting" magazine at work today... they have a History of DNS article. It's pretty good.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:17) yes, stuff like that is useful
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:17) also some good stuff on .uk managed hosting -- Europe is catching up REAL fast
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:17) if we boil it down to its most basic elements we'll have a chance at passing the message
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:18) lesson == don't be early?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:18) on the Internet language is more than a string of characters, language is the Info in Information PERIOD
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:19) he who controls the namespace, controls the universe
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:19) Is Patrick there?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:19) dunno
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:19) woops
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:19) he/she that is, who controls the spice...
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:19) LOL
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:20) DUNE of course is more than simply a novel.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:21) How's others audio?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:21) anyone know where Danny Younger is from ?? (physically?)
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:21) it is a bit tinny here on 56K Gary
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:21) I'm not getting it.. yet
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:22) Here here!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:23) Is Phillip Sheppard present?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:23) It disturbs us very much!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:24) Wow! Danny is off to a good start.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:31) Welcom Len
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:31) hi Len
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:31) Is anyone on the chat list actually there?
<LenLindon> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:31) morning all
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:31) hi Len
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) not I
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) don't think so
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) hi ben
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) Greetings, folks.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) hello Ben
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) Hello
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) Want to let everyone know -- to the extent you haven't seen already -- ...
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) ... that there are serious network problems here in Stockholm.
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:32) Accordingly, we can't readily use the scribe-to-irc feature at the moment.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) even in the Queen's backyard?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) I'm feeling some lag here...
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) I'm hopeful that the network staff will get things going within the hour ...
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) ... and then we'll be fully operationa.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) thanks ben!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) good show Ben.
<JoeAlagna> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:33) Everything is working good for me. Thanks
<LenLindon> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:34) Danny is dropping out audio every few seconds on windows media video player but the separate audio works ok
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:34) I'm using Real and the video stutters a bit.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:35) I'm on DSL and it is breaking up on the main feed (Real)
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:35) This is a nice speech.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:35) I'm good, audio is good... video is slightly lagging but tolerable.. Toronto here.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:35) I agree Bret.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:36) ditto for WM breakups here on primary and backup, am switching to real
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:36) Sotiris you deserve some credit here too!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:36) Your work in WG-Review was excellent.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:36) not me, kendall... WE
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:36) (thanks though!)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:37) where is Joanna?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:37) don't know. she posted on the ICANN forum yesterday
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:38) I read it.. I thought she'd be here.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:38) $450,000!!!!!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:38) Pindar!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:38) ridiculous! how long until we have an election?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:39) excellent points, so far.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:39) ha
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:39) ALSC
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:39) Danny is on top of it. Most impressive!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:40) welcome Carmen
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:40) and no pay!
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:40) I imagine you folks have noticed that we've just gotten scribe-to-irc working. For the long run, I'm hopeful. (Our traceroutes look a little better at the moment.)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:40) $450,000!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:40) Pindar
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:41) I'm seeing it fine in mIRC
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:41) me2
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:41) exactly!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:41) and not just a few!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) "The public has a right to be involved and have a say so!"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) ha!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) diatribe!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) wonderful.
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) Wild applause
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) oh.. the expensive majordomo admin!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:42) hahahaha
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:43) DPF offered to do it for nothing.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:43) can see the disrupters tarring and feathering Danny on the GA list .
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:44) how?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:44) Crispy-Crock are going to be livid
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:44) Kendall, make Crispy-Crock a Siamese Twin with two heads, one body...
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:44) There has never been any leadership in the GA.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:44) just kidding guys.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:44) hehehe
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:45) Disrupters don't want to see any either
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:45) happy?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:45) That is the problem with the GA list... they make noise so no one can hear the signal anymore
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:46) they're skilled agents provocateur
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:46) yes, and very effective
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:46) If everyone put them on filter lists...
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:47) but.. that defeats the point of a public forum
<LenLindon> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:47) I just got confirmation my question is in the queue: Will ICANN today undertake to recognise the Human Rights Root Service and resolve .humanrights on the ICANN root
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:48) who sponsors that TLD Len?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:48) Don't think so Kendall. They have the right to participate, but no right to deserve a response
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:48) I submitted the following and received confirmation of receipt: Considering the amount of money generated and exchanged within the domain name market, will the ontological status of domain names be legally established in the near future? Are domain names property or not? If so, what kind of property, and whose?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:48) true... I've dealt with them before -- it is very frustrating!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:49) what does Harald consider "spam" ?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:49) JW ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:49) I've been getting spam from the GA of late...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:49) totally tangential stuff.
<LenLindon> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:49) Kendall, sponsor is Dot Humanrights Interim Trust http://www.humanrights.com.au/dhr/trust.html
<LenLindon> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:50) or you could try http://www.site.humanrights
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:50) thanks!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:51) how many of those "actions" were against the SAME people?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:51) "Actions"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:51) sounds like a military operation
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:51) only dave Crocker got his posting rights back to date.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:52) WXW got banned at least 3 times while I was involved
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:52) not too rapidly.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:54) "if you want rought consensus -- abusing your friends is not the way to get it"
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:54) make that "rough"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:54) yoda's advice
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:54) This is Rebecca Nesson. Harald Alvestrand's powerpoint presentation will be available after the meeting. He is showing it from his own computer and we do not yet have an electronic copy of it. When it is available, I will link it from the agenda for this meeting.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:54) the sage jedi master
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:55) thanks rebecca
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:55) there's the quick, and the dead.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:56) Pindar!!!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:56) Hans?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:56) what?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:56) nobody?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:57) what?
<LenLindon> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:57) Phew! Vint almost had to go to remote comments!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:57) too early? are they at breakfast still?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:57) who we waiting for?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:57) who?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:58) who is this guy?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:58) who is this now?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:59) I didn't catch his name... but he is from NAIS
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 03:59) He is Izumi Aizu
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:00) thanks
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:00) thank you
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:08) ICANN has promised that there would be 9 elected
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:08) Board members. 5 have been elected, and 4 seats are empty.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:09) sorry.. that didn't work right .. brb
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:09) empty? hardly - squatted upon
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:10) the unholy trinity
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:10) no idding!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:10) k
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:12) I am concerned about the 4 seats on the board. If the CCtlds want board seats.. will they do so at the expense of MAL ??
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:12) Who else would give up their seats?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:12) IMO, they would need to expand the bod
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:13) But, doesn't the public deserve what they have been promised again and again?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:13) absolutely
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:13) ccTLDs are not the at-large and should not take those seats
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:14) exactly... those 4 seats are already spoken for
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:14) Sorry it seems I missed it, do you mean the ccTLDs are asking to take 4 of the At Large memebrs seats?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:14) shameless
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:14) yes... something like that
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:15) they haven't come right out and said it... but that is the speculation at this point
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:15) I thought that the next voting will be for 9 board members and the 5 was only the test, has anything changed
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:16) there are 9 total.. 5 have been elected
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:16) there will have to be a concerted effort to avoid losing or even having those seats for the at-large. ICANN is doing all it can to eliminate them
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:16) I think that the At large study committee report will have a big effect
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:17) People will have to become more involved or it will be lost
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:17) check Ted Byfield's story here: http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=189&mode=&order=0
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:17) Exactly, the [problem is that not enough people are getting involved
<CarmenRodriguez> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:18) Who is speaking now? Please
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:18) bravo
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:18) milton mueller
<CarmenRodriguez> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:18) Thanks
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:18) ncdnhc
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:18) no problem
<CarmenRodriguez> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:20) Milton is speaking on behalf of what Committee?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:20) they should be translating the press reports, at the very least.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:20) non commercial constituency
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:20) Non-Commercial Domain name holders
<CarmenRodriguez> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:21) I do agree with the general comments about the time limit for UDRP
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:21) yes, i thought that was good.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:21) A sunset clause
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:21) remember the last board meeting where there was extensive discussion about translation?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:21) 3 years holding confers rights.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:23) the lawyers...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:23) why do they get a constituency?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:24) Louis and Joe say so
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:25) I'm not getting color on my video Ben.. ??
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:25) ya it went b & w
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:25) mine's still colour
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:25) just lost the feed
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:25) rebuffering...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:26) me 2
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:26) mine lost the connection
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:26) uh oh... this could be the network probs he was talking about
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:26) we should all hit "STOP" to give him time to fix it
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:26) Ben will look into problems with the video color at the break in the meeting. Thanks for being patient.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:26) damn.. right at the part where the hired hands are speaking
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:28) still nothing.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:28) coincidence?
<quasar-orsc> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:28) Stopping and restarting does not help
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:28) must be all the hot air..
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:28) nope... I'm down for the count too. Hopefully it is being archived somewhere.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:28) can't get just audio either
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:29) nothing
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:30) its back
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:30) I'm back now
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:30) sure they are.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:30) damn, gone again
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:30) Ben!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:30) help!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:31) I'm back now
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:31) missed mueller tho, darn
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:31) Here not yet
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:31) came and went, still out
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:31) Try stopping and starting it...
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:31) video is back now here, Japan.
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:32) I cannot get it yet, Jordan
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:33) its back now
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:33) I got it on the secondary 28K
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:33) the secondary feeds are always good...
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:33) If you are using realaudio, try having it use the tcp protocol
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:34) Thanks I will try now
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:34) I like YJ... she speaks her mind!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:35) ccTLDs could prolly get tech help from the alt.TLD managers and registries at little or no charge
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:35) good Danny!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:37) VeriSign gives $100K .. but, at what price?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:37) price is conform to UDRP and bow down
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:37) ccTLDs need tech help
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:38) more than policy
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:38) especially the smaller ones that do not have online registrations
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:38) example?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:39) Kendall, I'd have to go look again. there are small cctlds that have really little or nothing available to them - connectivity, technical expertise... lots of things
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:39) .tm
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:40) Good for MM!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:41) Yes!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:41) Thank you Milton.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:42) I think the CCtlds and alt.roots are a good match.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:42) not the roots, Kendall. the TLD holders. That would be a perfect match
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:43) very short!!!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:43) Good Danny :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:43) yeah right!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:44) I'm sorry, she's full of it!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:44) yes
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:44) Theresa?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:44) yes!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:44) full of it!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:45) there is a major separation between the majors and small business
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:45) let's capture the BC!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:46) Except for the $30k fee?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:46) 30k?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:46) wasn't that what MM was talking about?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:49) Danny is doing well.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:50) Ummm, the US has been behind for years in paying its UN fees, shouldn't they lose their vote for non-payment?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:50) yes he is. He's been attacked unmercifully on the GA list
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:50) I am quite impressed with Danny's guidance so far.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 04:53) brb
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:03) Is it just me, or is theresa swineheart completely oblivious to the world around her?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:03) Nobuo, are you an @large member?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:04) how many in this irc are @large members?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:04) I am
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:04) Me too
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:05) i am
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:05) anyone else?
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:05) Sotiris: yes, I'm @large member.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:06) fellow members, have any of you participated in the ALSC? submitted any comments? made you opinion known?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:06) your opinions
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:06) ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:06) if not... why not?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:06) I have sent some comments, but the committe is stacked
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:07) further, do you kow any @large members who have participated?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:07) there is no representation from the at-large itself, as Danny pointed out
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:07) so, is it a foregone conlcusion among this segment of the AL that the committee is stacked?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:07) fellow members?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:07) no. I am ashamed to say that I have not.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:08) Rappresentation is there, the channels to comunicate and collaborate are weak
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:08) communicte and collaborate, good points.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:08) Sergio, who on that committee is representative of the at-large?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:08) sergio, do you participate in the GA ML?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) under what name?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) There's a lot of smart folks who are pretty much on the same page and nothing is getting done
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) There is no one from the at-large on it and the at-large directors were deliberately not included
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) which page, and what should be done?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) sotiris: i am a student and I have problems following the threads. too noisy sometimes or too complex othertime
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:09) ICANN is forcing us to be reactive instead of proactive
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) what are u studying?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) law :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) ha!
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) and i even have lot of time on my hands, but sometimes it is not enough
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) I should have guessed.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) hehehe
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:10) Sotiris, the page that says ICANN is a single point of failure, and also a single point of control, and that ain't good design
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:11) a single point is enough to move the world, but intent must be focused, and the fulcrum found.
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:11) (I sent comments ,about election in Asia , to ICANN before establishing of ALSC. NAIS report includes analysis similar to me/ I also cannot catch up GA list because I'm not good at English.)
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:11) He
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:11) communicate and collaborate
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:12) and also focalise on specific points without going lost on every concern against ICANN
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:12) Nobuo, do you know anyone who shares your interests in japan?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:12) someone who knows English better?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:12) perhaps a few such people?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:13) I think it would be good to get more international involvement in the GA as son as possible.
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:13) Perhaps, Toshimaru Ogura, CSIF. He is now at Stockholm.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:13) The internet isn't a single point, that's the whole point, it is a network defined by its interconnecting points, in a heirarchical system the top point can be captured, as it has been, and the suits get to be the gatekeepers, the controllers of communication, thus there is no collaboration
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:14) Gary: there wasn't a central point. it's definetely atomized but ICANN has some centralizated function. THE ONLY one prolly
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:15) That's what I mean. The internet was designed not to have a head
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:15) yeah defibetely right, Gary.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:15) The internet is itself the HEAD.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:15) there should be no one point that has any more power than any other
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:16) what happened to the $450,000?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:16) it should all just be peer to peer, and processor and memory and storage are at the point where we can do that
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:16) we have to face the fact that some point has been put as CENTRAL. most of the concerns come from this I suppose
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:16) P2P... it would be great. FREENET is very interesting at this point
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:17) there must be a centralized focus of influence... the question is, what that influence should be.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:17) The net was originally designed and intended to survive nuclear attack. If there's a head, you cut off the head and the body dies
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:17) why, Sotiris? A central point is governance
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:17) in order for it to be a free for all, there must be a central trunk for it to function.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:17) not at all
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:17) otherwise, there is no context.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) We know the influence has to come mostly in " CONSENSUS BOTTOM-UP" manner. is it working on your opinions?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) the context is in our own heads
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) it is certainly not BOTTOM-UP.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) is yahoo.com the same content as yahoo.ca? Take a guess
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) it should be.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) how does ICANN define "consensus" ?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) Because of connectivity problems, we are largely unable to post presentations as they are presented. David Johnson's presentation will be posted as soon as we are able to post it. Sorry for the inconvenience.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:18) bottom-up works only to a point. There must be some cooperation for tech standards
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:19) Thank you Rebecca
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:19) yeah. I agree. but at wich focal point you think we miss the goal of bottom-up. ICANN is too free to do waht they do?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:19) ICANN has not lived up to the White Paper conditions, nor the MoU... it is in abrogation of its very principles.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:20) again --- what is "consensus" ?? Louis Touton and Joe Sims?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:20) bottom up is a misnomer. picture a pyramid compared to a spider web. The net was a web, those who want total control are redefining it as a pyramid. Don't buy into it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:20) "Consensus" means: mob rule.. the most organized mobs rule.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:20) The ML are all working. the forum usually go on with msgs. the watchdogs are all updated. W H Y consensus is not working?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:20) LOL
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:21) yeah:)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:21) no?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:21) the dons and neighbourhood godfathers..
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) Sergio- everything else is working (except for the Board Members and the IP interests)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) which is why the real mob must organize.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) the "unwashed masses"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) hoi polloi
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) 5/19 are on our side. that's a point
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) :D
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) it should be 9/19
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) a start I'd say :)
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:22) yeah!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:23) and it's in jeopardy.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:24) how about and Individual's SO?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:24) after all, we support the entire enterprise...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:24) we.. the consumers.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:26) :
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:27) :: unanimous ccTLD vote=out of DNSO ::: bad trouble at the orizon: they want a SO.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:27) http://www.lextext.com/icann/index.html
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:27) wow! what happened?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:27) mini split :)
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:27) dunno, I managed to survive
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:28) did anyone take over?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:28) :)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:28) lost the IRC server :(
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:28) maybe the NSI team
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:28) me2
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:28) the last words I said were "get rid of Verisign" --- and then I'm gone!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:29) famous last words, huh?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:29) "you can kill the revolutionary. But, you can't kill the revolution"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:30) :-) The next revolution will not be televised... it will be webcast.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:30) hehehe good one:)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:30) thanks for everything and nothing.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:30) That was a good presentation
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:30) an enthymematic speech
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:31) nothing of substance
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:31) just saying the same things in different ways
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:31) reminding us of what we already know
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:31) Esther should feel comfortable.. there are still some of the original Board members left!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:31) But he's saying it on the record
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:32) sure, it's a pep talk.. to rally the troop.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:32) good point Leah.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:32) heheheh
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:32) If I had been able to go, I would have presented a postion paper
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:32) too bad.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:33) would have liked to hear it.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:33) can you post it online or submit it in the public forum?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:33) that's okay. he's doing well with the subject matter he's presenting
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:33) Kendall, I'll work on it. I never finished it
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:33) Q: What would you call Dyson if she appeared in Playboy?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) A: scary?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) A: The Esther Bunny.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) don't ask
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) LOL
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) ;-)
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) =)
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) Well, I did see her with a basket at MDR2K... :)
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) You're going to give me nightmares...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:34) there go the directors!
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:35) What you all think about that last news of the ccTLD going out of DNSO. I don't like it at all. I think we gost lost OUR last 5 AL directors
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:35) If the CCtlds team up with the alts it could be good sergio
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:35) hmmm... dunno
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:35) They may realize they don't need ICANN
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:36) No-one needs ICANN.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:36) I think it's ICANN that also need them a lot. for funding not least
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:36) I don't like it myself.. but it might be a good idea.. I haven't considered it enough to comment.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:36) vry true
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:36) Let's say that the ccTLD want some seats (they do). Wich seats are free now? the 4 remaining At LArge
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:37) What is the authoritative root? It can be ICANN, it can be your ISP, or orsc, or new.net, or yourself
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:37) sergio, no seats are free. four have been appointed
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:37) Sergio - that is the bad part... I submitted a question ealier asking that same thing
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:37) they are on the way to eliminating the at-large
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:37) yeah. I mean.. someday they have to go home. the boardsquatter
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:38) sergio, not if they eliminate the at-large
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:38) !! at large not to be touched. AT ALL
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:38) Take back the authority. Then delegate it if you so choose to whomever you choose
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:38) sergio, that's exactly what they will try to do
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:38) I'm psychic -- watch: the $450,00 study that lasts for 2 years will determine that it isn't good and shoud be shut down
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) remember, this a just a small California, US corporation.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) Kendall... you mean the ICANN study or the NAIS project?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) Exactement!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) It would have to be challenged there, under those laws...
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) that is holding the WHOLE WORLD hostage
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) the ICANN study
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:39) There is also the White and Green papers which mandated the at-large
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) The NAIS is independent no?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) there could be a suit there
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) the nais project instead is definetely going for ALM. absolutely.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) KD yes
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) NAIS is not enough
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) (video feed has problems?)
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:40) KS. enough indipendent for what I read.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:41) I have some strange sound Nobuo but, the video is ok
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:42) mine is fine too
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:42) mine is okay
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:42) thanks. I'll try secondary server.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:42) ICANN should not be involved in politics or economics -- only technical
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:43) KD, true
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:43) Would you follow the NEW:net project? with lot of market forces for the "out of technical" questions?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:44) there's the court of public opinion
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:44) sergio, I don't understand your question
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:44) The problem with New Net is they are only looking at the money .. not the Net users
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:44) according to new.net, those with the most money win
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:45) (disclaimer: I still own a few New Net names)
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:45) New.net spoke about a vision with ICANN at tech matters. and all the rules of market developing and regulating the policy aspects
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:45) Leah, if that were true they would have auctioned the best names a la .tv
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:45) is that vint cerf?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:45) what do you think would happen if new.net failed? Who, if anyone, would take over the registry and keep the names alive?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:45) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:46) vint and his charming preludes.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:46) Don't know Leah... no one most likely
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:46) yeah. (those are also 4th level domains!)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:46) right, KD. they would be abandoned
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:46) Newnet is worth buying, can you imagine it in the hands of Micro$oft
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:46) and cry all hte way to the bank
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) I didn't go nuts... I own only 5 New Net domains
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) Sorry guys. What is vCerf speaking about. ( i am no english)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) Should there be a sense of responsibility to the registrants?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) we have no idea sergio
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) heheh
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) blah blah blah blah blah blah
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:47) Vint is here to put us to sleep. In case Ether Dyson hasn't.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:48) zzzz
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:48) look at the scribes notes
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:48) Harald Alvestrand's presentation on the List Monitor committee of the General Assembly is now available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/alvestrand-listmonitor.html> and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. David Johnson's talk on the role of the General Assembly and the At-Large Membership is now available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/johnson-ga.html> and is linked off the agenda for this meeting.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:48) thanks rebecca
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:48) he said "anyone who wants the Internet to change will come to ICANN to seek assistance"
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:48) HA!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:49) as the tanks roll down main street and big brother monitors your every move
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:49) People could "self organize" if the IP interests and VeriSign would back off
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:49) (don't they do it already)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:50) If every at-large member paid $10/yr, it would be amply funded
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:50) IP interests? they're a double-up for big business. nothing more.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:50) What the hell is Esther talking about?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:50) abstractions.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:51) KD, basically, she killed the at-large
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:51) The same thing she was 5 years ago. It's still fluff
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:51) hehe, shore :) monkey.biz
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:51) the forum (ML) for the ICann study project was a JOKE!
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:51) they didn't partecipate at all.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:52) the some pppl speaking with eachother. none of the study project
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:52) Vint is a big fan of diversity!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:52) lol
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:52) :))
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:52) diversity?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:53) .com, .org and .net
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:53) as long as it doesn't include anything outside the ICANN world
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:53) there's that word again - policies
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:53) GO Kendall!!!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:54) Thanks Danny!
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:54) right on KD!S
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:54) yes!
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:54) go man!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:54) thick as a brick
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:55) exactly milton!
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:55) you deserve a brick today
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:55) gold I hope.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:55) IT wa
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:55) I wonder if Vint saw the ICANN movie(s)?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) It was a McSpew slogan
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) KD, I sent him the links
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) LOL!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) hahaha
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) don't know if he bothered to watch them
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) maybe that's the bee in his bonnet?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) where are the headphones?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:56) good question!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:57) Sotiris, He is hearing impaired
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:57) I know, but how come he's not wearing them?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:57) maybe he got a Cochlear implant?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:57) Perhaps he can lip read in this situation where he doesn't have tokeep up with so much going on around him
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:58) What a great idea from Esther!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:58) KD, what in particular?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) KD what idea from Esther. I didn't understand.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) She suggested having many new TLDs. There should be hundreds or thousands of new TLDS.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) greekphilosophy.com
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) :-)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) here we go, KD
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) This is Josh form Real Names?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 05:59) I thought we wanted to live 60 years with 3 TLD
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:01) KD, someone from realnames
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:01) RealNames is a joke.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:02) Has it occured to him that Real Names isn't that great of a system?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:02) Realnames could have been the solution, they really dropped the ball
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:02) "go run your business"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:02) hahaha
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:02) god one esther!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:03) RealNames will disappear in a year or so.. maybe 2.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:03) NEXT!
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:04) Bundle realnames with newnet plugin and walid multilingual and look out ICANN
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:04) Microsoft is already supporting them.. it's built into IE
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:04) thanks Roberto.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:05) And I ignore realnames *because* its built into IE. Like I said, they dropped the ball
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:06) I don't use them either... they sell out to the highest biddre
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:06) bidder that is..
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:06) So does goto, so does yahoo. That's what this all is about. old money taking over new tech
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:07) ICANN has to handle one thing -- technical management. That is it.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:09) That is the way to do it... ALL BOARD MEMBERS should be elected officials with term limits
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:09) KD. "giving bread to poor". I would be happy, but now ay.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:10) hi Joanna
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:10) greetings!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:10) hi Joanna
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:10) and what about the fact that ICANN wants to be a monopoly and should have anti trust action against it?
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:11) hello kendall, Sotiris, Leah, Ben at al
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:11) Hi jolane
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:12) going out. nice to talk to you. see all of you later. Have a good day:)
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:12) This is the best GA meeting I've ever seen!
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:12) bye bye. thanks.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:12) Have a nice day sergio
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:12) see ya sergio
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) bye sergio
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) :)
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) I had trouble connecting, missed eveything so far..:-(
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) Danny has been spectacular!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) yes!
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) great! how?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:13) He isn't holding any punches... he is telling the truth
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:14) He speaks his mind. Plus he's sauve and urbane.
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:14) I'll have to read scribe notes later
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) watch the video
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) what about my question?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) Thank you Danny!
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) Did he take questions from this room?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) yes
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) a few
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) k
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) just one
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) I thought there was one earlier?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) no
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:15) no?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:16) that was disappointing.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:16) What was your question Sotiris?
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:16) well, if he's doing the business, it doesn't matter does it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:16) Considering the amount of money generated and exchanged within the domain name market, will the ontological status of domain names be legally established in the near future? Are domain names property or not? If so, what kind of property, and whose?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:17) this matters.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:17) Yes it does
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:17) I am just waiting for the day when a big service comes out with .aol or .msn
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:17) aiming too high Sotiris maybe...no criticism intended...:-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:17) too high?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:18) they were talking of Philosopher-Kings!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:18) The gov't will have a tough time claiming that TLDs can't be tradmarked then
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:18) true
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) see you all, I'm going to get some sleep.
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) I'm showing 12 people in here.
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) Good night
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) nite
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) see you tomoorow ?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) she's full of it
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) who Esther?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:19) former chairman of the board
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:20) I see you got great press today Leah
<Len> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:20) what did I miss in the last few minutes? any remote questions?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:20) I had one that got read, that is all
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:20) she's on the at large committee
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:20) which one, JOanna?
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:20) what was that kendall
<Len> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) I was listening to the Dyson and Cerf show-- why do all these Americans travel
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) I pointed out that we have 4 unfilled seats and asked if the CCtlds are going after a Board seat will it be at the expense of the MAL?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) Esther was a rich kid who so wanted to get involved in cutting edge stuff. She can mouth the platitudes but has no underlying coherent understanding of the issues
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) I saw several through links posted to the ga-roots by Bruce
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) and what was the answer?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) Joanna, watch for press coming out of AU
<Len> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:21) around the world talking patronising fluff in a worldweary way? Still the yanks dominate airtime
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:22) none
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:22) I certainly will Leah!
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:22) Good question Len...
<Len> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:22) Why do all these Americans travel [missing first part] all around the world etc
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:23) No matter where you go... it's the same people doing the same show all over the world. Yet nothing ever gets fixed. And nothing ever gets done.
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:23) Tis the politics of inertia
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:23) yes, KD.
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:24) the writing is on the wall for the BoD seats, but the NAIS interim study report is impressive
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:24) I"ve only read part of it, Joanna
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:25) me too - a summary - do we ever get time to read anything properly these days?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:25) how long are they breaking for?
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:25) as long as my connection lasts, then I'm booted again...lol
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:26) I thi nk it's two hours
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:26) Think that's it for tonite Leah: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/agenda-ga-060201.html
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:26) anyone know for sure?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:26) NC ?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:27) The only other thing listed is ratifying votes whose results are known, no?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:27) 2pm local time
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:27) There's the report of the ballots and a summing up
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:28) Danny is going to say a few things as well I think
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:28) (Meeting is adjourned. The Names Council meeting will begin at 2:00pm)
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:28) oh
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:28) so what happened to reporting the ballots?
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:28) Er, what day and what time zone? Are we there yet?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:28) ther is a 1 hr break
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:29) I just wrote to Danny and told him what a great job he did... the best GA meeting I ever watched.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:29) 2pm makes it 1-1/2 hours
<Len> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:29) its only 8.30pm in Melbourne so I think I'll come back in an hour for so for the rest of the sesh
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:30) the schedule says GA goes from 8:30 - 1pm and the NC goes from 2 - 5 pm
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:30) I'm so disappointed I missed it, when will video be available Ben?
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:31) its' 6:30 am here in Boston so I think I'm going to bed now. I'll see you all here tomorrow for the Public Forum?
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:31) look forward to that Kendall
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:31) yup
<KendallDawson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:32) good night!
<GaryOsbourne> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:33) I'm outta here, its bedtime for bozo, CUL8R
<jolane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:34) I'm going to check scribe notes
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 06:34) I'm going to take a one hour nap and come back for the NC meeting
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 07:16) Hi Leah. The NC isn't starting until 2pm, about another 45 minutes
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 07:17) yep, gonna have some breakfast while I wait :)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 07:34) Rebecca, how's the network now?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:05) The network difficulties have not been fixed. Apparently there is a serious network problem somewhere between Europe and the US. The network is not completely broken, so with a lot of effort we are getting basically everything up as expected. We are hopeful that everything will be back to normal soon.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:06) dont'cha just hate backbone problems? :(
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:08) Hi Patrick, Leah , Rebecca and Nobuo
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:08) Hi Joop
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:08) Hi
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:08) Are you getting sound from the realvideo link ?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:08) What's happening?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:09) meeting is about to start
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:09) Sound just came back to me.
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:09) video and sound is ok at Japan.
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:09) Nothing at present. I'm re-downloading Real Video
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:09) okay in US (east coast)
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:12) Hello Marc, are you in Holland or Stockholm?
<MarcSchneiders> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:12) Hi Joop, I am poor :-) So I am at home.
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:13) This is actually a real burning issue. The representatives of the dotcommoners need funding.
<MarcSchneiders> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:16) Yes, I agree with you. Unless they want only big business to attend.
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:28) The ICANN idea will lose legitimacy when it comes to Ruling anyone except Big Biz.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:47) Bonjour.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:50) I can't see well. who is the man speaking now?
<VictorWilson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:50) Harald Alvestrand
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:50) thanks Victor
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:53) hello
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:53) hi joanna
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:54) hi
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:54) hi joop, sergio-b - nothing about this remote participation is easy
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:55) :)... you mean it's far more easy a plane to stocholm ? probably yes:)
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:55) did you have trouble to find the link?
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:56) other things as well, its a long story, but my audio feed is breaking up as well
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:56) sergio, it would be faster yes!
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 08:57) hehe:)
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) May I ask what exactly is hard about finding the link to this webcast?
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) I emailed the link to http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm ...
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) ... to everyone who preregistered to attend via webcast.
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) From there, it's one click, then a form to fill out, then clearly labeled links.
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) Not so bad, is it
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) ?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:06) Ben it was just fine for me. np
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:07) Ben, no problem with the webcast. Only the link to the IRC channel
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:07) I think I had it form an old meeting.
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:10) Joop, I hope the reference to this IRC channel is easy. ...
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:10) In the "How to:
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:10) DISCUSS
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:10) section, there's a clear link, followed by the unambiguous text: "also accessible via IRC to bcis.law.harvard.edu, port 6667, group #ICANN-chat"
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:10) How can we make this more clear?
<VictorWilson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:11) The link to that page is only visible after the meeting starts, I think.
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:11) sorry, listening to the discussion about the taskforce now. I'll get back to it later
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:12) Ben, the only problem I had was not having the webcast link early enough to find out I needed to update the Windows Media to version 7.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:13) and of course we had no connection from the USA for a while, right?
<NobuoSakiyama> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:15) In GA meeting, I found that the HTML version of scribe-notes is several times empty and my browser got errors, but, in this NC meetng I did not meet such a situation yet.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:17) can I clarify what just happened here...audio problems...did the NC just ask the GA to do something about an IC ?
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:30) Danny was very impressive!
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:30) You should have heard his opening speech at the GA meeting
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:30) Danny was very impressive!
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:31) I wish I had.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:31) We apologize for any problems with the scribe's notes or other documents earlier today. There were network connectivity problems making it difficult to update them as frequently or as reliably as usual. However, the full scribe's notes from this morning are now available in the archives at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/scribe-ga-060201.html>. In addition, they are linked off the agenda for the general assembly meeting, also in the archive.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:32) I'm surprised that the NC did not have a single question for Danny
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:32) Thanks Rebecca - wondered what the mess was..
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:32) The complete archive is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive>. The scribe's notes are being updated every few minutes during this meeting. In addition, the Current Real-Time Self-Updating Scribe's Notes are also working.
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:33) My apologies about the WMP7 problem. We'll get that straight before tomorrow.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:33) Thanks Rebecca, when will the video be available?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:34) JoLane, as usual we will post the complete video archives at the end of the day today. They will be available in full and linked from the specific agenda items for both the GA and the NC meeting.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:34) Apolgy accepted, but next time Ben, can we have the opportunity to test the system half an hour before it goes live?
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:35) what is the URL for that, please?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:36) JoLane, the video will be archived in full in the archives, available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive>. The agendas (themselves linked from the archive) will be linked to the video by segment.
<BenEdelman> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:37) JoLane, you may not have known that there was essentially no connectivity to the US from the conference center in Stockholm this morning. That was quite unanticipated -- things were working properly last night, and the problem was apparently Sprint's. All that's to say -- that while we'd have liked to open the area for testing earlier, we could hardly update web pages initially.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:39) Thanks Rebecca, sorry to hear of your troubles Ben. I will immediately cancel my sprint account!
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:40) Why is Peter DeBlanc also in the #scribe channel?
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:40) lol
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:41) leah - your still up? oh dear
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:44) hmmm .. maybe leah is sleeping on her keyboard - is anyone alive here?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:44) yes, joe. been chatting privately. sorry
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:44) no problem. you poor little angel - you must be exhasted
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:44) zombie
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:44) Is Cochetti suggesting that ICANN is not going to consider anything other than a single definitive root server for the Internet?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:45) sounds like it, doesn't it?
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:45) At leat he admitted that it was an important subject matter :-)
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:46) True
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:46) so have things been entertaining today.
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:46) Hows things anyway Joop? You are up late..
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:46) Bom Dia, Joe
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:47) Keith: yes, I'll stay up until this is over
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:47) I just thought I would watch Grant's alternate root section then toddle to bed
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:49) Bom dia senhor Teernstra - e un dia bonito en canada. dunde esta usted? so much for my bad spanish
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:50) Well, at least we now get a task force that is going to come up with IC criteria that will make it a flier.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:50) IC, joop?
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:50) Joe, you haven't forgotten your Portugese, have you?
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:51) sergio: sorry, Individuals Constituency of the DNSO
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:51) leah - update - the morning hit count is twice as heavy as last nights. just dumping the ip now and it's rocking and rolling
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:52) yep:)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:52) hehe
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:52) i speak portugese with a spanish accent and spanish with a portuguese accent - so there you go joop - can't win either way.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:52) no one has noticed
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:52) nos voros illios que offendo
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:53) well, I still sport a Dutch accent in my English-- Sorry, ben, I'll stay on topic from now
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:53) If the ccTLD's decided that they wished to operate their own alternate root server, would ICANN not then wish to discuss the possibility?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:54) definetely yes.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:54) YES
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:54) GA-roots
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:56) And if ICANN are so against alternate roots, why not take some action against RealNames/
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:56) ?
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:56) interesting time lag. The scribe was about 20 sec ahead of the sound track.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:56) realnames is a search engin
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:57) Yep but it works within MSIE instead of the URl
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:57) i.e. its an alternate root
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:58) so we do have a consultation situation on alt.roots?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:58) Good morning all. What are they voting on?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:58) Hi Leah. :-)
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:59) Looks like the vote was against any discussion group Leah
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:59) Who voted for it?
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:59) Forsyth: Motion to open consultation with other SOs and the GA on the subject of multiple roots and name schemes. Mueller suggested amendment that consultation to be via ga-roots list.alup.rc1
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 09:59) there's nothing alternate about it. it is not a dns - it's just a glorified search engin - when msie can not find the dns it tries the real names search engin
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) What did I miss of last night's session? I slept straight through ...
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) so they voted in favor of discussing it
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) did they?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) vote was yes 12 to 8
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) Ben, are the scribe notes working?
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) Judith, there was no US connectivity, for the GA session, except late on, we have to wait for video
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:00) Yes baptista - but if someone "buys" a "realname", it may later be lost by someone buying a served name from a gTLD - causing the same problem as an alternate root
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:01) Keith are you also into NEW.net stuff? I was wondering if they really are using 4th level domains.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:01) Judith, the scribes notes are working. There are over 20 people using the self-updating real-time scribes notes. I am updating the static page of scribe's notes every few minutes. The full scribe's notes from the morning session are already available in the archive and linked off the GA agenda. The url for the archive is <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive>
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:01) i see your point.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) So what is thism break time or its over or ... ?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) Thanks Rebecca. good work.
<JoopTeernstra> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) Good Night, Keith and good day all others, logging off now
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) it's the funny music break time
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) I know nothing about new.net sergio
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) Catch u later Joop
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) bye joop - sleep well
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) They're worried about new.net KD
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:02) thanks anyway.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:03) Personally I totally dislike NEW.net policy, but it's also another *nice* matter for ICANN to solve.
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:03) good work Rebecca...now if you could just beat up Sprint for us....lol
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:03) hehe - they haven't solved any of the old problems yet...
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) :)
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) At least they're now dealing with it, that's progress
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) the problem is if icann had done this right there would of been no problem to solve. icann had a unique opportunity in the beggining to lead - now it's just a shining example of failure.
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) yeah..it's a strat. until few months ago it seemed they were somewhere else.
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) So true baptista
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) What is interesting is that they consider the alt.tlds to be competition rather than groups to work with to cooperate and collaborate with.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:04) like i predicted incidentally :)
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:05) well - now we'll have three more years of collission and confusion
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:05) Why would people rather have battles instead of talks?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:05) baptista. not a total failure... there are chances to make some changes and progresses
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:05) That is really the point that fascinates me Leah - and the Vint Cerf concept of clinging tenacioulsy to the Internet can only be served by a single root server
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:05) sergio, not if they have their way.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:05) icann is based on the make work principle - keep them busy while the magician does his magic
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:06) COLLABORATE , you said right Leah--> (see white paper)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:06) they ignore the white and green papers - AND the MOU
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:06) yeah.. we do know it.
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:06) Very suitable music Ben "The root is rockin'"
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:07) well - they ignore a simple principle of logic - when anyone on the planet can provide root service it is critical to play nice.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:07) boy, the connectivity is really bad
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:07) hi Leah
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:07) So much for openness and transperancy huh?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:09) hello
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:10) Hi Patrick. sorry. was checking mail. Journalists want statements. :)
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:11) hi patrick
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:11) Hi Joe How are You?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:11) on multiple roots: "Cochetti: Appreciate the problem. But alternate roots are competitors to the services we provide." "WE" being ICANN? Goes once again to admission of ICANN as monopoly root service provider, versus "technical coordinator ..." FTC fodder ...
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:11) I've lost all connection to the RealVideo here in LA. Anyone else having problems?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:11) Robert Neuman's presentation on dot biz is linked off the agenda and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/neuman-dotbiz.html>.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:11) there is no such thing as competition in root service. it's a myth as much as the concept of monopoly is a myth
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:12) brb
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:12) Bap, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:12) there is only one solution - co-operation - because we either surf together or we surf apart. and human being always like to surf together.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:13) i'm fine patrick - got up about an hour ago to watch the show
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:13) how are you
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:15) sorry joe. You missed the "brb"
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:15) what is brb ???
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:16) Hmmm - so they admit they don't know what they voted on?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:16) Give me a break
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:16) means "be right back" baptista
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:17) Gawd ... what's the matter, they changed their mind during the break?
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:17) thank you
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:17) sorry . . .
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:17) Wonder what they put in the coffee??
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:17) good drugs
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:18) hehe
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:18) I can't connect at all. Is anyone else experiencing problems?
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:18) Fully operational here lextext
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:18) no i'm ok - using the audio with scribe notes
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:18) I've got both, the better to see and hear the insanity.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:18) They are going to reverse it, betcha
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:19) I think you are right Leah
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:19) Talk about double-speak
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:19) That was just about the most insipid statement I've heard yet.
<lextext> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:20) No, I have nothing. Can't connect on primary or secondary video. Can't connect on audio. I've rebooted. Everything. I'm getting nothing.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:20) insipid - a word i have not seen in years
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:21) For non-english native speaker it is hard too, can you explain please
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:21) What you're missing is the NC individually knowing they're looking more and more foolish in their backtrack ... they mostly look embarassed.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:21) DARN..... rebuffering
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:21) NOT NOW
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:22) But this new motion will kill any consideration for alternate roots
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:22) yes it will and the collisions will get much worse
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:22) that's fine keith - it works for me
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:22) yes - much more collissions.
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:22) Maybe that's what has to happen
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:23) for them to see their foolishness and pay the price
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:23) Rebecca, scribe notes? what are they doing?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) insipid: weak; vapid; flat; dull; tasteless
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) Oh - Loius is there ??
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) As in Touton??
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) it's a wonderful word - you forgot impotent
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) well, did they re-vote?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) flacid
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) The scribe computer crashed, so Ben started a new file. Sorry for any hitch, but they are back up and are working properly. The small gap will be corrected in the archive this evening.
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) Yes Leah - the new motion was carried 13 to 1
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:24) yes
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:25) <sigh>
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:25) motion to not discuss it, right?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:25) void the first one?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:25) As I said earlier, this presentation is linked off the agenda and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/neuman-dotbiz.html>
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:25) I hope the press picks up the vote-coffee break-reverse vote. Very tacky.
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:26) Who voted "no". There were 5 abstentions, I think.
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:26) The motion was that alternate roots are outside the scope of the DNSO
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:26) here we go with the great trademark debates. at best a tld is a database and copyright applies
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:26) Leah, maybe its better - they'd probably "consult" to outlaw mult roots or something equally stupid
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:26) lol Judith
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:28) those who were having trouble. . .
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:28) I';m in Australia. Getting different feed . . .
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:28) so I might get what you don't . . .
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:28) New Zealand here Patrick
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) The word insipid fits very well.
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) Hi Keith. Same for u, perhaps
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) Will someone explain whjat does this word mean please
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) Could be the first word in ICANN Leah??
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) stupid, charles
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) weak . .lifeless
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) Yes, Keith
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:29) Thank you Leah
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:30) How can you REGISTER in bad faith? I've never figured that one out
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:30) i foresaw this coming - they're going to police sites after reg now?
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:30) barf
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:30) Oh I think you can register in bad faith - like buying a nakme and then offering it to the trademark holder for vast profits
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:31) If you register a name so you do not allow the trademark holder to register it
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:31) Charles ? Not stupid. Weak & lifeless.
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:31) Thank you Patrick
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:31) There are laws for that. don't need UDRP
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:31) that is extortion
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:32) There is nothing *uniform* about UDRP anyway...
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:32) A simple example for bad faith, is me registering your name "Leah" so yuo cannot register it, so you have to buy it from me
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:32) very true keith
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:32) Charles, that is not a trademark.
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:33) It is considered acommon trademark since it is your name
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:33) There must be thousands of Leah's. It should not apply
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:33) i reg www.amazon.it and sell italian books. amazon is trademarked, i abuse of their famous mark
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:33) Now if it were coca-cola, that would be different
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:34) If my name werer leah or I ahve a business that I naems leah, then it is OK, but since I have nothing related to the name, it is bad faith
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:34) sergio, that is against the law
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:34) dont' need UDRP
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:34) is away since 10:27:42 AM - automagically set away after 30 min idling. Msglog [ON]
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:34) It seems that the courts in New Zealand and Australia at least are not subscribing to the theory of "first in, first served", but rather the rights belong to the people who's name is known best in the marketplace
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:34) best know- : confusion : dilution : anticompetitive
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:35) But the people who own the Amazon river might have a prior claim over the bookshop ssergio??
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:35) The whole thing is flawed
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:35) Sergio, I have geographical jurisdiction of the Amazon River. Who has more clout - books or state?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:35) (Keith, like minds)
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:35) selling books? That would be atry to hide the bad faith... but I support Amazonian:)
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:36) Judith, you forget mythology. Amazons - females
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:36) Ah, but VeriSign will come out with its .bz before NeuStar's .biz ... tricky devils ...
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:36) precedents say: market, not state .
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:36) Leah, true that.
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:36) C'mon kids u know there are 42 classes of TM
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:37) I guess "first in, first served" is just too easy to administer - so might as well look for something complicated?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:37) Keith... u would need a working group for taht... even better a committee
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:38) much complication would be granted
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:38) hehe
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:39) What's "thick ICANN" vs "thin ICANN" ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:40) "In your business" versus "market-driven business"
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:40) huh?
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:40) ICANN makes thick decisions - and thick budgets, and pays thin regard to popular opinion...
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:40) Thick ICANN is including @Large Directors, thin ICANN, well, you get the picture
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:41) Who's got dot INFO in the Alt Roots?
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:41) Anyway - its time for bed here - 2.30am - nice chatting with you all
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:41) nice for us Keith
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:41) You're in NZ ?
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:41) Yes Patrick
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:42) we're 12:45 here AM
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:42) Sydney, Patrick?
<sergio-b> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:42) 16.33 here (like .se)
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:42) I didn't realise NZ so far away !! Yes, Sydney
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:43) Ok g'night
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:43) 2,230 kilometres away from you Patrick
<Keith> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:43) night all
<CharlesShaban> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:43) Sleep well
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:45) Is Joe there ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:46) Afilias with ogilvy one - isn't that ICANN's firm?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:46) Delay discussion on Item 5 and Item 6 ???
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:47) Don't remember, Judith.
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:48) ORG tld was Item 5. Why they want to defer discussion?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:49) Specific work item for GA. How to select a registry !!
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:52) Item 7 - Budget
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:56) Well, folks, I've had it. 24 hours no sleep. See you all at the next session tomorrow
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:57) bye leah - you rock till you drop
<JoLane> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:57) nite leah
<LeahG-originalBIZ> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:57) be back at it after a few hours sleep
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 10:59) Damn, the audience looks emptyl
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:01) i noticed that too !!
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:01) many more in Melbourne
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:02) More and more people losing interest in ICANN? It certainly seems to be losing its luster
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:02) (Of course, they'd rather function in secret, so no skin or their back ... )
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:02) that is, "off" their back
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:03) Listen to the NC tricks !!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:03) Who is this "consultant"?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:03) Exavtly !!
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:04) Correction. Exactly. Who ?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:04) And how appointed?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:04) i m peters and assoc? hired by whom? verisign? icann?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:04) DOC?
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:05) "Substantial buffer of miscellaneous funds"
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:05) IOW a "slush fund"
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:06) But none to pay for Alt Chair travel to Stockholm.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:07) elizabeth looks good these days. has anyone else noticed - she looked very haggard at other meetings - but she looks 10 years yonger at this meeting.
<PatrickCorliss> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:07) She was away for a week. Perhaps a holiday.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:12) Roger Cochetti's proposed resolution on new TLDs is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/newTLDResolution.html>
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:16) baptista, please restrict your comments to the substance of the meanings and refrain from comments about participants' personal appearances.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:16) it took you 20 minutes to notice that. your as responsive as icann.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:18) however - anyone who has been involved in human society knows that human beings show a great deal in their facial appearances or gestures. so stop being a nazi or proceed to kick me off.
<baptista> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:21) rebecca - you can always amend the chat transcripts later - after all - fraud is an icann tradition - is it not?
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:23) what?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:23) I'm off to take care of my daughter's sweet 16 (yes, there is life outside of icann...) see you all later.
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:24) bye judith
<AndrewMoulden> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:26) Marcia - thanks for the info re. neulevel you posted
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:32) hi andrew ! was iaw
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:32) yw :-)
<RebeccaNesson> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:33) The meetings are completed for the day. They will resume tomorrow at 8:30am (GMT+2)
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:34) thanks rebecca
<MarciaLynn> (Sat, June 02, 2001 at 11:34) bye everyone :-)