| Nickname - Message |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:28) good morning joe, kendall, gary-- and of course the
ever-industrious Ben, Rebecca and Amanda |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:28) g'day |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:28) good morning Len. Round up the usual suspects!
It's show time. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:31) What a shocker yesterday-- Lynn, Stubbs, Crocker,
Crispin and Cerf-- all on the record and making it quite clear that
it is intentional. Odd that now alt roots are at least "competitors"
there is no talk of monoploy and antitrust by ICANN-- altho the Cerf/Crocker
line on refusing to deal withus gets close. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:32) I'm in the process of transcribing all of
Karl's quotes from the meeting yesterday. I want to make sure all
those "offline" questions get answered. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:34) Hi Leah and Nobuo |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:34) Carl Bildt's status report on the At Large
Study Committee is linked off the agenda for this meeting and is available
at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/bildt-statusreport.html |
| <NobuoSakiyama> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:34) Hi |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:35) Hey, Kendall |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:35) the zombie has arrived |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:36) me too... I'm going to have fun at work
tomorrow! LOL :) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:36) work???? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:36) hehe |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:36) the thing I do in between movies ;) |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:37) mmm...seems I can get the media player but not the
real clips. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:38) I had to reload the page a few times Dassa |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:38) I had the same trouble. They didn't update
the link for Real yet.. it still said 060301 |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:38) All of the video links are working at this
point |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:38) Okay, got it now. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:40) Hi Sotiris |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 02:41) hi |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 02:42) not many people there |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:42) Sotiris have you cloned yourself? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:42) how can i be here twice? |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:42) Ghost. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:43) odd. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:43) Ohh no, chat channel instability. we're
doomed! |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:43) You could kill it but it most likely time out eventually |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:43) oh well... as long as he doesn't say
anything. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:44) Did Vint ask my question? |
| <IvanVachowski> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:44) operator. can I communicate with ICANN board
during "open microphone session" |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:44) No. Did you resubmit it? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:44) no. he did say he would read it. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:44) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/realtime/ask.asp |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:44) If you go to that URL Ivan you can submit
questions |
| <IvanVachowski> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:45) thanks |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:47) when did Vint say he would read it? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:47) Did you send him email? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:47) he didn't say when. just that he would. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 02:47) ya you can ask questions which never get read.
why bother |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:48) let's see. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:48) how did you communicate w/ Vint? via email? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:48) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:48) it went to the ga ML too. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:48) which email address for Cerf? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:49) vcerf@mci |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:49) .net |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:49) You can find all of their addresses here:
http://www.icann.org/general/abouticann.htm#BoardofDirectors |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:52) Joops not even here! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:53) Guess left over from last night |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:53) It was on there then |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:53) or was that two nights ago |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:54) this s good for us. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:54) yes.. it's about time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:54) for all individuals |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:54) someone should email joop and tell him now |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:55) I will let him know. brb |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:55) packed session |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:57) Judging from the empty seats, its all been done offline |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 02:59) good point Andy-- and Cerf guillotines it |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 02:59) Good question Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 02:59) thanks Kendall |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:00) but no answer |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:00) although, I bet you don't want to hear WIPO's
response. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:00) wipo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:00) say that again |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:00) It should not be a WIPO question at
all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:00) no it should not |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:01) That is more a question for individual
governments, not ICANN |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:01) It is now on the record-- as is the no-answer response,
Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:01) exactly |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:02) Individual governments have no authority over domain
names. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:02) I'm impressed that Vint followed through
and read it though. Esther wouldn't have done that. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:02) who does? |
| <AllenHannah> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:02) Is anyone here at the meeting? |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:03) Now that is the question Sotiris :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:03) don't hold your breath though... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:03) As it stands, the ICANN is a US registered
not-for-profit org. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:04) California Company. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:04) like any company it has stakeholders,
and they can be international... |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:04) Hi Joop - they read your question |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:04) He Joop., they read your questions |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:04) Hello Ben, |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:05) but, as an organization under law,
ICANN falls under US law. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:05) but they are the "quasi-gov't" org. that
falls in the grey area between private company and gov't agency |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:06) I notices in the scibe notes that Hanks
Kraayenbrink badly misrepresented my question to Carl Bildt. (as if
I was suggesting to incorporate the Individual DN holders in the @large.
If he did in fact not misrepresent me, could you amend the scribe
notes? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:06) nonetheless, residents of foreign nationas
can purchase and own shares/property in American organizations, real
estate. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:06) Hi all, sorry for jumping in like this |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:07) why Joop? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:07) Joop, Danny was right after your question,
and he reinforced the question with the GA motion. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:07) the board may consider it during their
session. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:07) Sotiris, it's a public benefit non-profit.
There are no shares |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:07) sotiris, yes, that was very good. But did
you read the scribe notes? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) oh, but there are.. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:08) Hello John |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) they are called atlarge members |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:08) Mueller-Maguhn response: Could have a page
on ICANN web site explaining how to create new constituencies. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) Sotiris, that is a very different thing |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) Hi Joop |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) no joop, i did not read the scribes. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) and the bylaws have stated categorically
that they are not members by CA definition |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:08) is it Leah? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:09) yes, extremely different |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:09) Hans K. was quotes as saying that I suggested
incorporating the IDNH ers in the at large. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:09) is there not a definition of property
in US law? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:09) Sotiris, property definitions, yes.
But courts have said that domain names are services |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:10) what courts? and why do trademarks
qualify as entitlements to domains then? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:10) a federal court? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:11) federa and state courts, Sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:11) where is the codified definition? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:11) But, USPTO ruled that TLDs cant be trademarked |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:11) I'm not an atty, Sotiris. You would
have to do a search |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:11) They must be worried if they read out Sotiris and
Joop questions-- anything but the repeated request to recognise a
non-ICANN root and tld (.humanrights / Human RIghts Root Service).
This question has been posted to every sessions's comment before each
session. See further http://www.humanrights.com.au/dhr/trust.html |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:13) IANAL but I have many questions for
any atty who wishes to step forward to answer me on these issues. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:13) Cohen thinks it's too small... Auerbach
thinks its too big |
| <JimWagner> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:14) how much is the budget now? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:14) send them to Louis Touton! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:14) 3.3 million ? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:14) Something over 4 mil I think |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:14) IAAB, Sotiris, and I think you know my opinion. See
also http://www.com.au/dhr/app.html |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:14) It should be posted. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:15) http://www.icann.org/financials/proposed-budget-14may01.htm |
| <JimWagner> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:15) ty |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:15) could not access the url len |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:15) not found |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:15) IANAL=I Am Not A Lawyer IAAB=I Am A Barrister |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:16) probably have to remove the bracket
] at the end of the URL |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:16) Len, what is the difference? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:16) Joking about a predictable Board. It is
SAD, SAD, SAD |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:16) There is a great quote from Vint: "It's
wonderful having such a predictable board" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:16) sad is an understatement |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:17) sorry, left out the humanrights part, thry http://www.humanrights.com.au/app.html |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:17) they are becoming a joke. when you run out of
dirty tricks - and ideas - goto the holo deck. does anyone else feel
ashamed of being human today? |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:18) Leah, one difference is I can legally charge money
for legal services, ha |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:18) All of the proposed resolutions are linked
off the agenda for this meeting and are available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/stockholm/archive/touton-resolutions.html |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:18) Officers of the Corporation earn US $100,000
- 300,000. How much you want to bet that they NEVER choose the low
end of the scale? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:18) Hello Joe. No, not at all. This isn't halfway
over yet. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:19) I will read more later len, thanx |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:19) I'm with Joop on that. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:19) Thanks, Sotiris. We are both sudents of
history.. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:20) yes - i feel more people are coming together.
it's just such a shame - here we are - this poor little planet is
falling apart - and we have goof balls running the dns. shame. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:20) let's hope we can repeat it |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:20) we can |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:20) Louis likes being able to change the rules
at will |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:20) :-) |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:22) he counted Louis |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:24) is this the cerimonial reading of the minutes
- such fools - could they not distrbute this earlier |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:24) ok budget |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:25) No, Joe, they like to fill the public time
with this. They are not goofballs, as you seem to think |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:25) no they are not |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:26) Hans wants to call in an airstrike |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:26) First he changes my citizenship.. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:26) i know its all show - i know that - it us who
are the idiots and put up with it. you shuld be getting the anarchists
ready for LA - MRA - the next meeting. These people need a wakeup
call from real people |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:26) this sillyness must stop |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:27) fyi .humanrights mirror sites http://www.humanrights
and http://www.site.humanrights |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:27) anarchists? You are only helping Crispin
to push for criminalization of alt-roots |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:27) I prefer "activists" to anarchists |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:28) i still have to get the site up len - i've been
monitoring traffic off the orsc servers which i now control - there
are another pack of fools - so it's been a project. i expect our dns
back up tommorrow provide sexton does not jeopardize it again. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:28) speaking of anarchists, Joe, some folks in Melbourne
have the skills and the machines and may just do that |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:28) we are all activists of sorts |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:28) activists anarchist - and old ladies - alot
of old folks out there who would beappalled by this |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:29) if they could only understand it Joe |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:29) Actually anarchists could teach ICANN a lot about
bottomsup process |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:30) it has to be done len. i'm sorry but communication
is the only thing the human race does that has virtue - most of the
rest of the time your either trashing the planet or blowing each other
up - not very impressive - if you lose the co-ordinated ability to
communicate - well it's not a good idea |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:30) anarchy is not a good thing |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:30) Len , I strongly disagree. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:30) there is no such thing as anarchy - the internet
demands order in communications - there are no other options |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:30) Joop is right... extremists won't help the
alt.roots at all. It will further justify the criminalization by ICANN. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:31) Anyhow if the best ICANN can do to squash Virtual
Inclusive Root and millions of tlds is to roll out the americans--
stubbs, crocker, crispin, lynn cerf-- then it is all over. The rest
of teh world will be immediately en garde at such american arrogance. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:31) they will try to criminalize them anyway |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:32) irrelevant - were taking real people - the same
people who showed up to the summit of the americas in ottawa - policiticans
- unionists - old ladies - those are real people - most of the people
i've seen in the dns are spending time here paying attention to the
jedi mind trick - instead of speaking to people this will affect |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:32) It seems to be going that way, with this
predictable Board |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:33) In the last week I have spoke with
5 people who knew nothing of these matters.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:33) spoken |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:33) I know that Sotiris. But, if we are destructive
it will justify it in the eyes of the media |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:33) yes - this will be a disgrace to america. the
ones who are going to lose is bush and the other politicos. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:33) The words "anarchy" "anarchists" seem too loaded
here. Might be worth reading some history here. You might see parallels
to ICANNIA. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:34) It will take activism |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:34) it will |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:34) not anarchy |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:34) education and outreach |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:34) KD that is part of activism |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:34) education and outreach are key |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:34) thats good - we must reach out alot. i talk
to the old people in my building all the time about it. most of them
ended up voting - and i showed them how to use their sons and daughters
, crandchildrens address to creat more people. old policitcal tricks.
they loved it. you at large |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:35) There ar elots of parralels. Classic Power
vacuum. Classic grab of the goodies. Similar to collapse of the USSR.
Robber Barons grab what they can, before order and law sets in. Every
year that the status quo can be maintained means big $. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:35) local neighbourhood cells are a good
place to start organizing |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:35) IANAE=I Am Not An Extremist. Standing up for long-standing
internationally-agreed human rights standards (they call them protocols,
you know) is not Extremist. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:36) ya - speak to your neighbour - i send out alot
of faxes in nyc and canada. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:36) No, Len, you are an acitivist :) |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:36) and email all my civil servants |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:36) In Toronto, I've been speaking up whenevr
and wherever i can |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:37) what is Louis talking about? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:37) thats right your in toronto - i remeber - ithink |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:37) on the web, ive been posting to completely
unrelated lists... |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:37) something about going in a dark room and
rubbing his tummy 3 times? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:37) we must get the word out. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:37) we should exchange lists to see what we
have left uncovered |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:37) yes - i think porn groups would be a good place.
lots of traffic. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:37) LOL |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:38) Sotiris, we need to reach the mainstream
and "dumb" it down for them to understand the issues as they are affected |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:38) local community business associations |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:38) do we want to appeal to the masses with
pr0n ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:38) exactly leah |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:38) it true - most people on the net are busy viewing
porn - were the nuts watching this shame - but we car - and they would
too if they knew they could surf to suck.cum |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:38) IAAB http://www.humanrights.com.au/prof.html http://www.humanrights.com.au/current.html |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:38) graphic... but effective Joe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:39) quite |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:39) This is the guy who said in Melbourne
that he saw no need for an at-large |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:39) Jedi Mind Trick |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:39) baptista, please keep your language appropriate
to the forum. thanks. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:39) well - gota call them like i see them - this
is all old hat - people were doing the naked gif downloads back in
the bbs days - nothing changes with humans. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:40) so, tucows wants .web now, eh? |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:40) lol |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:40) rebecca - were organizing so shut up and stop
being a nazi or kick me off. ok - i'm making point and your not invited
to the tea party |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:40) give Ivan a starring role in the next
cartoon Kendall |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:40) this is the problem - the constant need peopl
have to control |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:40) we have a right to protest and loudly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:41) educators make a good audience for
this stuff |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:41) but, that is human nature. going against
the grain and all |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:42) where is Deborah tonight Sotiris? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:42) "to the tables of the noble, the noble
arrive uninvited" |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:42) Does anyone present object to baptista tone or comment?
Jpe is right-- we are organising and cooperating and communicating.
On the only forum open to us at ICANN. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:42) she's asleep I think. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:42) one day of ICANN is too much? LOL |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:42) wb Sergio |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:43) no, she's got to work in the morning..
I told her its archived. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:43) We the participants here collectively share control
of this forum. And that should be respected. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:43) we are people in common - rebecca is a servant
to evil masters - here right to shame. we all know berkman are nothing
more then ican clones - and i say shame on them for interfereing in
our right to organize against this nonsense |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:43) Having sat through it many times, I can
say it's no holiday :-( |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:43) Godd morning all |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:43) Good morning Sergio |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:43) you've actulally show great strength joop. you
of all people have put up with alot and survived - and that include
the apples i threw at you |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:43) hi sergioi |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:43) hi Sergio |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:44) is IOD in attendance at these meetings, in person
? |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:44) anyone know? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:44) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:44) dunno |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:44) their laywers are there |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:44) Hi Kendall |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:44) Hi... is this jweb? |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:44) thanks for the email |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:44) no |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:44) it's Lizmi |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:44) hi |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:44) I wonder what would happen if Tucows
did apply for .WEB |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:45) how's the tucows announcement for .web...
that was interesting. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:45) well, they were sweet, joe. Unlike the stuff
that Mr PacificRoot has tried to do. As yoiu say, it's about control,
isn't it? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:45) I got an email from Chris yesterday.. he
said he wasn't going to be there |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:45) hi Keith |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:45) Hello all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:45) hi keith |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:45) What have I missed? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:45) Hello Keith |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:46) people have a hard time understanding that to
communicate one need to establish protocol at the lowest common denominator |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:46) the only way tucows could get .web, imo, is
to partner with IOD ...will be interesting to watch this one play
out ...lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:46) The approval of the budget |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:46) Keith. Nothing really. Vint called this
Board "predictable". |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:46) and the 1/2 hour public forum |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:46) Vint said he loved the predictiblity of
the Board |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:46) perfect communication is based on aboslute trust
with minimum interference - and co-operation must be absolute - control
alomost non existent |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:47) I certainly hope he gets advice. so
far he's been way off base |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:47) we have a good example of communication in dogs
- a dog pisses to mark territory - same thing applys to domain names. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:47) Joe, this is how some people have lost the
trust forever. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:47) So it was unanimous to accept the budget? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:47) all in favor |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:48) humans are not much different then dogs - they
identify territory and associate territory with resources. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:48) No, Karl opposed and Andy abstained. :-) |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:48) the predictibility factor Joop? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:48) now if dogs mark the same territory we have
a riot - i.e. and error in the protocol casuses failure. very simple
to understand |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:48) yup |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:49) yep. This is why it's unlikely we'll have
9 at large directors, unless the elections can be manipulated |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:49) You can never win with monopolists by appeasing them.
Monopoly is illegal and you should not have to humour their fragile
egos (so what if they are frightened of The Other-- get used to it,
its the rest of thw world, diversity, etc) |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:49) so - in the human perspectus with respect to
communications - we have the same principle. a failure in the protocol
can cause more then riots |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:49) they can cause death |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:49) manipulation? within icann? never! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:49) Joe, don't you believe in civilization? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:50) they also illimiate the power provided by the
internet to the people - i.e. death. len can tell you how many more
porr human soals have been saved by the power of the internet |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:51) these are realities - and we have a bunch of
goofs about to kill it - and frankly folks i call them assholes who
should be shot - and before you dare rebecca - shut up and mind your
manners |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:51) lol |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:51) civilization is a temporal anomily |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:51) is it real or memorex |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:51) Baptista, that language is not acceptable
in this forum. Please restrain yourself. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:51) LOL the subtlety of a sledgehammer |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:51) lol |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:52) indeed |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:52) kick me off - i also have evidence of your ling
ben - and shame on you too. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:52) this forum is witnessed by the people in washington
- and tonight i think we should send a clear message - get lost |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:52) the internet belongs to us and we will not tolerate
it destructions |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:53) and shame on them for that - it will never works
- and the alt roots have proven that. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:53) Baptista, I'd much prefer not to ask you
to leave this forum, nor to force you to do so. I simply ask you to
stay within the basic requirements described at the start of the forum. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:53) "Profanity and personal attacks are prohibited
in this forum." |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:53) So, is ICANN going to try to steal .org
from existing domain name owners? |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 03:53) The clear message I get from your comments Joe is
that you are extremist and not very coherent. I would also say your
comments are not helpful for the cause you are supporting. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:53) press the button ben and show us your power.
now get lost i'm making a point and your not invited |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:53) Joe, try to remain civilized, no matter
how much doggish you might feel |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:54) why is the board reading the resolutions
on our time? did they not get this stuff in advance? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:54) well - i'm having fun - and i really dont care
if i get kicked off. this has to be said - shame on them for wasting
our time and this planets time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:54) please joe, the rules were posted...
let's at least follow the rules among ourselves |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:54) Let's have about 1/2 hour of quiet time
to read? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:54) ok - ok - ok |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:54) KD, they rarely get the stuff in enough
time |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:54) i get very frustrated - i hope you understand |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:54) "morning" everyone |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:54) of course we understand. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:55) Morning Marica |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:55) Morning Marcia |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:55) the dns is a matter of life and death for this
planet |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:55) Marcia |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:55) part of how the staff controls them |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:55) think of that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:55) we all feel like that. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:55) Joe we all get frustrated by this |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:55) ok - time for some more brandy :) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:55) I'm more concerned about the IP's and
RIR agreements at the moment |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:55) But, we need to focus and coordinate. Not
fly off the handle |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:55) but our resolve is best not expressed
through profanity |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:55) yes - that's another issue |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:55) what happened with IC ? did they agree to
recognize? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:56) Marcia, they are going to discuss it
I thi nk |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:56) we're waiting marcia |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:56) MNo they read the question , but didn't
answer. This will be on the agenda in "any other business". |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:56) It is amazing it got this far, IMO |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:56) great, at least they didn't throw it out
already, thanks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:56) yes, amazing. but encouraging. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:56) joop you were asking me about civilized behaviour
- do you think a board of directors which deceives this planet and
can plung us into the dark ages is civilized? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:57) thats why i find entertainments in strong language. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:57) How many here understand the importance
of the RIR issues? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:57) Joe, this is called corruption. I have had
a lot of life-experience with it. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:57) but seriously - some day the people will have
control and these people will be shot - depending on how much damage
they manage to do. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:57) not really Leah |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:58) i know joop - it just i've seen this show since
world war ii - and it's time to get on with business. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:58) are you are concerned zone transfer issues? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:58) The RIR's allocate all the numerical
addressing blocks to the ISPs... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:58) UUnet, PSInet, Sprint, etc... |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:59) like the ITU for phone numbers? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:59) but leah - the rir are just registrars - they
also have no control. the function can be redelegated. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 03:59) er, psinet is dead |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 03:59) were arguing over where we keep our central
library - thats it |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 03:59) the point is that if the agreements
they sign with ICANN are restrictive, it will hurt choice much more
than domain names |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:00) Retribution comes automatically. Let me
focus on the resolution about .org for a moment |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:00) that won't work |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:00) ICANN controls that IANA function and
has huge consequences to the globe |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:00) the numbers are running out, a finite resource,
hence a commodity, hence a point of control |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:00) leah is right.. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:00) Gary, IPV6 will increase the numbers
dramatically |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:00) its not so much the destination that
runs things, but the access |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:00) if you don't like the librarian - change to
another library. the roting is controled by isps and the major providers |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:00) IPv6 should help |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:00) It is being implemented now |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:01) My point... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:01) if you can't get the numbers, you can't
have names. And IPv6 has been coming real soon now for a long time |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:01) The resolution was dealing with the criteria for
applications and how they are processed with regards to new RIR's
and the point was made the resolution does not alter the conditions
of operation or the standards for the operations of the RIR's, current
or new. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:01) If the RIR agreements say that ISPs
have to point to a particular root or set of servers in order to receive
an allocation, choice is gone and ICANN rules the planet in terms
of the internet |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:02) there is a pending agreement, I think,
with APNIC which restricts ISPs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:02) meaning of the word "is" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:02) ontology |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:02) further point:... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:02) Canadian compatriots? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:02) by the time anyone is aware of it,
it will be a done deal |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:03) icann will not rule the planet - ip allocations
are touchy subjects. don't try pulling your agreements on me when
it comes to choice. icann is a paper tiger and so is iana - these
are databases - have a revolt and switch the library |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:03) Hey, fockler like's joe's language |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:03) when it's a done deal - you'll have alot of
pissed off people. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:03) blame canada |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:03) Karl objects and Andy abstains? |
| <anon279> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:03) #board |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:03) what - i have not been paying attentions - what
happened? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:03) yeah, us Canadians... we're cheap. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:03) that true |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:04) more practical - and we keep well - must be
the winters |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:04) No , Karl was in favour. I don't know why
Andy abstained. This is supposed to be the Boards' "concession". |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:04) Ben... anon279 is pulling the same stuff
that anon217 was yesterday... watch closely |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:05) looks like the reading of the will - silent
picture |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:05) what has uncle sam given vint today |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:05) is there a crocker in the house? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:05) Hello Leah, but the allocatation of the numbers
doesn't restrict the content of any particular DN allocated a number,
so they wouldn't rule the planet in that sense, so why would they
do it? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:06) IT is the IP address that allows one
network to speak to another. If this is controlled, all else is controlled |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:06) Guess who controls it? VeriSign! |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:06) because they are being run by nuts who will
end up embarrassing the us government - and already have. the dns
is nothing in comparison to the arpas - imagine seas of arpas all
terminating at boarder points - all different - multiple nat providing
translation. very scary and i don't think so |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:07) For instance, if an ISP is told it
must resolve a particular TLD server or not get allocations to allow
them to service their customers, the ISP has no choice of what it
can offer their clients |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:07) new.net has shown that you can play with
the words, ditto with other client sides like multilingual, and icann
can't control that. But the numbers can't be messed with, hence if
they control that they control the namespace |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:08) numbers can be messed with - believe me - its
a nightmare - but it may happen - watch china. numbers can be used
to control better then dns. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:09) you may only surf with an authorized number
- please submit multipass in floppy disk and present retina for user
identification |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:09) Agreed joe. I'm talking about the current
root |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:10) exacatly. Let's say that another country
is ticked at the allocation restrictions and devises their own set
of numbers... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:10) Then you have completely broken it |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:10) That's not funny. They have already proposed
that for Internet Cafes. No more anonymous surfing. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:10) Gary, the root has nothing to do with
IP addresses |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:11) the net is going to balkanize as it matures,
I don't see any way around that |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:11) Leah, I don't understand that at all |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:11) it's already happening - companies are trying
to find white nights just for protection. it's a joke. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:12) ICANN is about both the names and numbers anyway
- and IP6 won't change any of ICANN's control - only the US Govt can
currently exert any control over ICANN |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:12) domain names are only indicators, Gary.
They map to IP addresses. You can use the internet without domain
names, but must have IP addresses |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:12) but they go along with anything ICANN wants
Keith |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:12) I know that, that is what all I'm saying
is predicated on |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:12) Keith, the government wants to divest
itself of the internet |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:12) no you don't break it - you just pass it over
nat - for only authorized communications - but i should shut up -
may give them ideas. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:12) Gary, btw, some people in "The Balkans" find the
term balkanisation offensive. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:13) I'm not so sure about that Leah |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:13) really? learn something new every day |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:13) what are you not sure of Joanna |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:14) Not always Kendall - sometimes the US Congress have
given ICANN a real serve |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:14) well don't get too PC. I know of few regions
that illustrate the problem better. Your history defines you at one
point. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:14) that the US government wants to divest itself
of the internet |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:14) that was rude of Vint to say that |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:14) well - its accurate - balkanization = lack of
commincations - war - look at the us and other country spy agencies
- they rationalize criminal behaviour - computer break ins while they
arrest kids - for pranks. does this picture look bad to you too? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:14) It has been stated categorically, Joanna.
It was reiterated at the Feb 8th hearing in DC |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:14) JoLane , I think the same |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:15) Correct Leah - bit they need to be sure that ICANN
is truly representative (of the planet) and open and transperant first
- something ICANN is really struggling with |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:15) from what i've seen i think the us wants to
destroy the net - and these guys want to make a profit; |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:15) struggling? They have no clue! |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:15) Leah, I know what they're saying. Actions speak
louder than words |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:16) Leah, you can access a specific dotted quad
via numerous alphanumeric strings, they will never control the strings,
they're beginning to understand that, hence they are ramping up control
of the numbers |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) because it's not open - let call the old dog
by his real name - they are liars. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) cheats |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) thieves |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) and murders |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:16) is jweb in this chat ?? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) they have sinned againts us |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:16) Keith, what they will most likely do
is simply give it away before anyone has a chance to do or say anything... |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) open what? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:16) Just arrived and familar words |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:16) I thought that was you |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:16) Hi John |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:17) Leah I don't think USgov will SO easily divest
such a resource as the net |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:17) Hi Ofuk - nice name - fits the conference |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:17) Hello Peter |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:17) Sergio, you don't understand... |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:17) K Who would who could lol |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:17) Could do Leah - but it seems to me that its better
to try and work within ICANN than outside it - given there are few
other options |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:17) Anyhow the fragmentation argument has two levels.
One, at the giant american intranet level (ie ICANN) where it needs
a unique root internally perhaps. Two, at the level of all the giant
intranets (China global, Multinational Corporations global. etc) where
as long as the roots mutually recongise each others tlds (non-colliders)
it is not fragmentation but interoperability of different giant intranets |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:17) the government WANTS to get rid of
it |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:17) The US is giving nothing away without a fight |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:17) I appear to be quite mild compared to some of
these folk :-) |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:17) maybe i could come back as the fairy god mother
- we could protest using our login names |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:17) Is Napster offered here agian |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:18) We have a real mixed crew here tonight.
:) |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:18) Hans |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:18) Apparently.. in face of anyone. BUT not in the
real. They will keep somekind of amr-long |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:18) I agree. :-) |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:18) The US Govt is worried if the root server falls over,
it currently "carries the can", and since the root is in the hands
of volunteers they have a bit to be worried about |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:18) arm lon i mean |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:18) Hey he's squatting |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:19) More meetings Aren't thjey going to run out of destinations |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:19) Peter Mott the MildMan???? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:19) hans favours outreach? since when? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:19) i should go to bed - there's no more open mike
right |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:19) What Hypocrisy am I hearing here. |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:19) Joop hypocrisy about what? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:19) Hi, Keith. Meet relativity :-) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:19) Hans K's "sacrifice" |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:19) If public partcipation there is about as worthy as
it is here why bother.? Cheap hotel rooms and cuisine |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:20) Hans claiming that he is concerned about
outreach? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:20) HaH |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:20) Outreach as in grabbing your wallet or more people
to frustrate |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:20) He was the one who was against the MAL since
the start. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:20) Fancy meetings and hotels does not
= outreach |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:20) Peter must be taking pills Joop - he has been the
voice of moderation and reasonableness for the past couple of months |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:21) welcome back dave |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:21) Keith, perhaps because he got what he wanted? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:21) He's talking about his outreach at houses
of ill-repute around the globe |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:21) Hans concerned like Esther the new Freedom fighter! |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:21) it's all aligator tears |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:21) What now they are ruinning domain rehabilition centers |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:21) Keith: There is a reason for it :-) |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:22) I wonder what the reason is Peter? |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:22) Keith: Keep wondering |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:22) lol |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:22) Kendall you said it well Have meetings to discuss
more meetings how ironic |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:23) Ya, more public comment time so they can
get rentacrowd crispy crock to say more from the floor |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:23) Hi, ofuk. May I read your name as meaning
"horizon"? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:23) Here is an observation. This is all about the Internet
,Cyberspace if you will get your partcpation that way and save money
for something like @large elections |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:24) makes sense to everyone but them |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:24) Can someone explain the Crispy Cock connection what's
their connection |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:24) Time you stood for ISOCNZ Council again Peter - might
make some progress?? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:24) This whole Board discussion sounds rehearsed |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:24) I propose a meeting to discuss the meetings
about having meetings. Shall we meet about it? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:24) You know they go home and watch themselves |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:25) Keith: OT here |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:25) Sorry Peter/all |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:25) All this work and the internet was hanging in there
for years |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:25) Maybe he wants Bora Bora |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:26) or was it Pago Pago? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:26) Louis Our friend where is he at |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:26) Both would be fine with me. Nice and near |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:26) Er, doesn't ICANN have to have annual meeting
somewhere in CA? |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:26) Anyone going to be at the venue for next ICANN meeting
(and able to assist with lodging court documets locally prior to and
during the meeting)? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:26) yes |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:26) How about the quality of the meetings instead of
the destination |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:26) Yes |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:26) Nov. in LA |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:27) An educated board would be useful! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:27) Well then Lynn should read the bylaws (or
nonprofit CA law?) before opening his mouth |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:27) Getting away from these F2F meetings
would be even better. |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:27) Leah, Question Our new Jack boot friend claims the
Alts bring instability has he provide proof of any ALT root with the
Legacy in it that crashed ? |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:27) Is that a yes to my query, Joop and Leah? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:28) Kendall |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:28) Yes, they must have a f2f in CA |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:28) Yes to the first part only. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:28) i will be there also |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:28) Figured so. |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:28) I missed all weekend has Karl become more aggressive |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:28) When is LA |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:28) OF, no |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:28) Karl's been excellent |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:28) That's what I thought |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:29) Next meeting is Montevideo I think John - LA is 2002 |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:29) So has Danny |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:29) OF, yes |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:29) He has tried.. but Vint shuts him down |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:29) "take it offline" |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:29) Vint openly insults him and thinks it's
normal banter |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:29) I hope Karl and Andy can still bring up
their motion, before Vint hurries the meeting to a close. |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:29) One must never be prepared for an in-depth exchange
it stops us from hearing what others have to say |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:29) KD - you failed to acknowledge Vint's copyright on
that message... |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:29) I guess there can be no question now that Roberts
hand picked himself his new and improved version in SL |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:29) I am transcribing the quotes and questions
from Karl from yesterdays session. I'll send them out in email |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:29) Kendall |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:29) "this is not a Board meeting" (response to helpful
discussion about IC) |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) sorry Keith... "take it offline(tm)" |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) Joop, what motion? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) what OFuk? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) Thanks Kendall. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) Listen to the mic!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:30) i'm off to bed, will someone email
me with the results of the discussion on a IDNH |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:30) include me in that Kendall please, I'd like
them on the webiste |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:30) U have Mail |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:30) I'm listening |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) the mike is on! shhhh! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:30) Ya shhhh |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:30) me, too Kendall |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:30) Don't tell Ben... |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:31) sotiris, I'll email you |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:31) This is about a Board decision today on
the IDNH |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:31) now for the coffee break meeting |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:31) thanks jonna. good night/morning all |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:31) ah yes - what do we do now |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:31) joanna, sp. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:31) nite Sotiris |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:31) pass the money |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:31) pass the buck |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:31) nite SS |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:31) I'll tell you what.... I have Joanna, John,
Joop and Leahs email. Anyone else who wants a copy email me at kendall@paradigm.nu |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:31) My God how this happened it's sad. all this for thirteen
servers |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:32) amanda, any progress on the mobile break-cam? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:32) Yes, Amanda, it would be good to see
who confers with whom |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:32) I will sent out what I have so far now...
It may be a day or two before I can work on it again. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:32) OFuk - the easy part is the strings and wires - its
the policy thats difficult on any network] |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:32) dear all, my email at idno.org is broken.
John V. what happened to idno-discuss@idno.org? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:32) Keith, explain |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:33) but you can always reach me at joop@terabytz.co.nz |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:33) wb dave |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:33) wb anon 279 |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:33) JoopTeernstra: No idea. Don't work
there any longer. :-) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:33) kendall ygm |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:33) You vould have told me I was in a meeting from a
year ago and I wouldn't know the differnece it's the same crap differnet
place |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:33) always, OF |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:33) The root servers themselves are the easy part of
the Internet - serving 256 lookups for the gTLD's and ccTLD's and
thats it. The hard part is deciding who gets to do what with the entries
in the root servers |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:34) anon279 = Dave Crocker (or so the joke goes) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:34) at least this time they will discuss
the IDNHC |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:34) always the same crap - just the scenery changes |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:34) As in Edit,Copy Paste easy!!!! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:34) discussion, yeah, but will they decide? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:34) Leah What of the Petition to Commerce is that dead
? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:34) gotcha, keith. That's the frightening
part |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:35) OF, no response to any inquiries |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:35) I'll take a little break now, see you all
later. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:35) and for a technical organization the only
tech stuff was alt roots and they fscked that up entirely |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:35) cya joop |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:35) bye joop |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:35) I can't see how somone isn't gettin paid |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:35) Seeya Joop |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:35) cya |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:35) Gary, what did you expect? That they
would cooperate? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:36) brb |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:36) Coffee break here too - afk. |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:36) Don't they have a responsibility to provide a formal
response or are they following the reconsideration and waiting |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:36) I'm just saying that when they did talk
about alt roots they didn't understand what they were talking about |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:36) how long is this break? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:36) if you guys want to see just a fraction of the
technical problems - watch what happens to diebold incorporated and
the orsc when i'm ready. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:36) If they did that, they would bring
the enmity of the four or five major players down on them |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:37) bap explain ? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:37) OF, they will do anything they can
to avoid any APA procedure. They hold themselves above it |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:37) The why did they hear the petition? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:37) i am stuck with pccf until i can get all this
traffic off they generously provided me with |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:37) brb |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:37) They have not heard it. They simply
received it by messenger from my atty |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:38) i now control what looks like easily a third
of the orsc root infrastructure |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:38) how many serves a second now joe? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:38) and those users must be moved |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:38) Objectively speaking It;s unbelievable how nealry
everyhting ICANN says and does contradicts everything even if it means
lying |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:38) i get now 200 dns transactions per second |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:39) and those users must be moved |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:39) joe, do u think that maybe itis because
of where it points? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:39) they did it without permission |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:39) If an ALT has trhe legacy in it Wouldn't that actually
provide increased stability ? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:39) yes, OF... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:39) precisely why it is dangerous to ICANN |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:40) and they will fight to the death with
disinformation to keep control |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:40) so maybe in stead of 13 root servers you have 26
with more space available nothing changes |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:40) oh ya - pacroot - i have been after the orsc
to remove me from their setdns programs - the legacy pccf roots operated
by diebold incorporated were offline for 6 months. they refused to
do it - friday i turn on the roots and resolve pacroot and they finally
get around to changing the program |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:40) OF, or several server systems... unlimited,
really |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:40) the idea is to have no collisions |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:40) so now i know that pacroot glue is like raid
to the orsc. they have become an embarrasement to me. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:41) orsc that is |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:41) they did change it, joe? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:41) did they - last i looked our arpas were still
in their root. |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:41) Where is the instability. Watching ICANN they are
showing their colors and blowin the cover. They shouldn't care about
Competition from a root unless of course Technical is replaced with
gettin paid |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:42) the isntability will come with the
.biz collision and any further collisions with existing TLDs |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:42) Leah, I know you know this of course but not for
a moment, ever is this really about "Technical |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:42) yes - but the orsc is an example of the exact
opposite - loosy and goosy and dancing away - we need a little more
balance - the orsc is two people - richard sexton and steff (waiting
for the quantum effect) efferund (??) |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:43) and we have alot of people who really care about
this. i see some here |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:43) Problem is that the mainstream public
has no clue whatsoever |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:44) I'm mainstream public actually |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:44) Leah I know you know this. But I do also that not
for a minute or a split second has this ever really been about "technical"
this is about economics and controlling the supply and demand of something
that could flow like water! |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:44) Talk about outreach... we need a major
outreach program for education of the public and how all this effects
their futures |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:44) well - thats were the activist come in - this
is a win - it's a people win and the only power people can have a
chance of claiming. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:45) then comes the fun part - once the public has
taken over we'll see public executions of government officials. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:45) and your governmets know this |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:45) Vint Cerf could be right claiming that there is only
one definitive root - and that some other private networks do interact
with the Internet... |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:45) Until you get the generation of AOL users and others
to wake up it's tough Meanwhile they are Gutting Cyberspace |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:45) leah - agree... i try to explain to "mainstream"
friends and family and they really could care less.. sad, but true |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:46) we need it to affect somebody in a "human" way
- tech stuff doesn't sell papers |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:46) Keith, we all agree that there should
be a definitive root, but that does NOT mean one root server system
or that it must be controlled by ICANN or any other single body |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:46) that's what Higgs referred to as a
"virtual root" |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:46) well - if you want human just watch the orsc
shutdown i plan. you'll see a fine example of this mess in process. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:46) But if some body doesn't control the activity of
the root server we would likely have anarchy? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:46) VInt Cerf Is making A big mistake . He could have
a reputation that stands out in history but instead will piss it away.
The man whoi helped creates the Internet comes back to save it would
have beena nice headline |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:46) It is a single non operational published
rootzone that all could draw from |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:47) Keith, each root server system would
have management, of course... |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:47) how will that be "human" joe? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:47) keith - root server = database = library = communication |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:47) Jo, I reckon the way to affect in a "human" way is
the email aspect-- you@humanrights or whatever-- once consumers see
the choices for email addresses they will get it |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:47) Yes - but how could you stop data collissions - ie.
with new .biz and old.biz names? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:48) however, if there were a "virtual root"
that had ALL tlds in it, then all the roots could carry either the
entire zone file or subsets of it - no collisions |
| <RogerKeating> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:48) So what do we make of Tucows, eh? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:48) no co-operation = no communications - already
happening - i.e. china - the eu - the cctlds. have a coffee - i think
you must of sleeep through it |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:48) :) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:48) Keith, the problem is in the establishment
of the collision in the first place. Once that happens, itis a real
mess. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:48) Only the tLD holders can resolve that |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:49) yes - if activists started using alternative
addresses just to keep the authorities on their heals - it would get
out |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:49) Thats my point Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:49) In this case, it is DoC at the moment |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:49) But if you have an open root server, anyone could
claim to be the authoritative holder of any TLD at any time... |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:49) i once wrote 60,000 canadian civil servants
and email using my baptista@baptista.god addresses and demanded they
write back. some managed |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:49) Keith, it is a very deliberate act
on the part of ICANN/DoC to make it appear as though it is the alt's
at fault for existing |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:50) Keith anyone can do that right now |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:50) so yes len - good idea |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:51) Yes Leah - but can't neccessarily track traffic to
their alternate root.. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:51) don't understand, Keith |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:51) competing for media attention with a palestinian
suicide bomber is not an easy thing |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:52) how about the bank using the orsc root that
goes offline and transactions go missing - is that news to you. that
power is now in my hands because a bunch of fools are running a hobby
root. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:52) im back |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:52) yes joe, if it amounts to million$$, it's news |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:52) those who asked got a copy of the transcript |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:53) Leah - most Service Providers wouldn't know how to
point traffic to the alternate root servers - the Internet would work
better with a single authoritative root? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:53) thanks Kendall! |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:53) or an isp of 200,000 users that suddenly looses
all connectivity to the net - is that news - i have the power to turn
them off - because a bunch of fools at the orsc want to run a hobby
root but have convenced the worlkd they were serious |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:53) Look at the word itself" "Authoritative" far cry
from Cooperation |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:53) Keith, that is a matter of education,
once again. It's quite doable and is being done every day. Once critical
mass is reached, it will go mainstream |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:53) KD, transcript please to info@humanrights.com.au
thanks |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:53) 200,000 losing power in CA gets 30 secs on the
local news - sorry |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:54) you got it Len ... brb |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:54) Keith, also consider the word "authoritative"... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:54) Each computer is auth for it's own
root service. It decides what is auth. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:54) sorry if i'm a little strong jolane - it's just
the only way human can every expect to communicate is through full
co-operation at the lowest common denominator - that's not a request
- it is a demand of internet communications - don't co-operate - then
come back later when you can |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:54) Kendall, me too please ... Dave@Promotion.com |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:54) It's a misnomer |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:55) Hi tofu |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:55) Hey, your Cowness. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:55) So what may really be required is an "easy" right
for alternate gTLD's to be set up on the single root? Wouldn't that
be easier to do from within ICANN than outside it? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:55) Has anyone come across any pictures of Hans and Stubbs
in a swedish massage playing with midgets |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:55) well - it's 30 seconds across a few thousand
coach patatoes - if even one person wakes up were making progress |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:56) lol OFuk |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:56) Keith, ICANN will *never* allow that.
It would erode control |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:56) ok dave.. you should have it |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) Those poor midgets |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:56) thanks Kendall |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:56) long break - yes? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 04:56) seriously long |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:56) or am i time travelling again |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) The music, as always, has to go. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:56) It will take outside pressure to effect
that. |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) ahh |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) ok |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) and never give them up |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) Hi, Vint |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:56) Leah - ICANN is allowing it with the new gTLD's -
but under their (ICANN's) own ideas of what should be permitted |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:56) As pink floyd said "Lets get on with the show" |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:56) joe, that's why we started our website |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:57) show me web site - want to visit - anyone who
puts up with me is worth my time |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:57) As Pink Ffloyd said - we going to the dark side of
the moon ...lol |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:57) Yes, Keith, and most other registries
will not sign such contracts or pay the ridiculous price |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:57) Leah, what of their Bylaws that they cannot do harm
? |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:57) without making me look, what's on the agenda? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:57) OF, it's in the MOU |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:58) http://www.internetstakeholders.com |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:58) Under Prohibitions |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:58) Other Business Tofu |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 04:58) Right it is but why hasn't the DoC called them in
on the carpet |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:59) i love it have seen before. the icann logo is
scary |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:59) good site |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 04:59) because they are under the same control
as IcANN. They want to be rid of it and will rubber stamp it all |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 04:59) WB dave :-) |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:00) has something happened to amando - his eyes
are crossed and he looked fine before at other meetings. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:00) thanks, we want to make it more accessible for
newbies - |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:00) LOL |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:00) remember, this is a matter of the public record. |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:00) : ) |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:00) Leah How and when do you make them accountable to
a clear violation of their contract |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:00) i'm not joking - his eyes looked fine at the
last meeting - unless they have always been that way and we have better
cameras. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:00) OF, court |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:01) agreed, baptista |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:01) they have always been that way joe |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:01) yeah baptista, he looked at Affilias proposal
for too long |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:01) i only realized vint was deaf at the last meeting
when he started with the headphones |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:01) Yes Indeed I hope to see you go for it! |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:01) lolol cow |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:01) :) |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:01) So, am I the only one to be concerned about the Tucows
statement? |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:02) Not relevant Amadeu, setup new so and get on
with it |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:02) what concerns you Tofu? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:02) you - it's even great strategy to have a deaf
chair - if he don't like the sound of it - well - he didn't hear it |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:02) (okay, there are a couple concerned in here) |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:02) great excuse |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:02) Their targeting .web, Jo |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:02) no vint, you do that |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:02) yes, I remember now |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:02) Tucows said: Tucows either alone or with
a partner looks forward to submitting an application for Dot WEB in
the next process |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:02) I think slaughtering tucows is better than one you
think? |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:03) ccTLD is your customer, you find way of changing
structure to meet their need |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:03) I think they're targeting Chris Ambler |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:03) tucows is irrelevant - i like them - i think
their just experiencing frustrations - they shoudl start their own
roots - they have a stronger basis then icann |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:03) i mean base then icann |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:03) hostile takeover |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:03) hmm.. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:03) MarciaLynn, are you prepared to file court documents
for Dot Human Rights Interim Trust at the next ICANN meeting? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:03) CCtlds aren't going to pay up... what to
do? |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:03) hopefully, their concept of "with a partner" might
mean negotiations with iod. |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:03) Tofu: I think the point being made by Tucows was
more along the lines of if any existing TLD registry in the other
roots would be given priority by ICANN and that the .web comment was
more of a throw away when the Board indicated that no priority would
be given. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:04) len, i'd need the specifics, but most likely |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:04) Not a good point at all - attempt to dilute
cctld resolve |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:04) Tucows could operate Turootservers?? |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:04) can you guys pls discuss whats in front of us? |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:04) if it is worthy of discussion. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:04) CCtlds are the key |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:04) or perhaps their evil twin will run Tu.Coms |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:04) Peter, we'll disuss what we want, thank you
very much |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:04) if it isnt, then please be quiet |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:04) say something about if if you want, peter. |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:05) why, we're only typing. How is that a distraction? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:05) whats in front of us is irrelelvant - we have
a board that lies steals and shames us all - what we are discussing
is what is important to us - they icann are irrelevant |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:05) some of us are just so anal. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:05) indeed |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:05) I sometimes dont even cross my Ts |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:05) i mean people this is a shame |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:06) the cctlds are the first to really throw
down the gauntlet |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:06) ICANN is worried |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:06) Karl knows what's up |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:06) we are the parties who have something to say
- this is just the same old dance in a new place - it repeats four
times a year |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:06) icann needs to experience worry. They have been acting
with impunity for far too long. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:06) This is an important issue folks. it
goes to the credibility of the system |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:07) Question: why should the ccTLDs support
ICANN? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:07) A: they shouldn't |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:07) yep, it's the first time somebody told ICANN
what they were going to do, instead of the other way around |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:07) but the system has no cridibilitys - this is
just another tombstone |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:07) it's the beginning of the end of the DNSO |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:07) OK, MarciaLynn, can you email me in about 6 weeks
at info@humanrights.com.au if you are still interested and I will
send you drafts so you can consider it. Anyone else keen to help at
the local venue for next meeting? This chat needs a dedicated keyboard
and "runner" at the venue. |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:07) about time - leah is right - we are witnessing
a milestone |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:07) I asked that in melbourn remember? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:08) My question: Why should the CCtlds support
ICANN? What has ICANN done for the CCtlds? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:08) will do len |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:08) they didn't know this before right now????? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:09) how to read the forums? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:09) the cctlds should creat a super root infrastructure
- right now the entire usg root can be shut down with only a minor
distributed denial of service attack - one day your surfing - the
next day your not. thats the problem with a root infrastructure designed
for a few hundred thousand hosts. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:10) KD - the ccTLD's don't need to support ICANN - and
ICANN would not survive if the majority of the ccTLD's (particularly
.de, .es and .uk) decided to pull out - but I think they would prefer
to work within ICANN than outside it |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:10) Which forum are they talking about? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:10) the At Large Study |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:10) at large |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:10) another make work project |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:10) the list |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:10) Ahh, Darth Kraijenbrink. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:10) Since when does Hans suport @ large? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:10) more crocodile tears |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:10) "qualifies buyers"? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:11) "qualified" |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:11) its crap - karl is playing mother |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:12) Not another list argument! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:12) How many outreach lists is Hans a member
of? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:12) Yes Peter... </nap> |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:12) Hey, try this one: whois -h whois.crsnic.net
icann.org |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:13) Next they will suggest a web board :-) |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:13) lol Peter |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:13) I seemed to remember Hans recommending that
we kill @Large. Now he supports it? |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:13) i think an oiji board would be more appropriate |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:13) lol |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:13) typical Hans |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:13) Keith: I see nobody has decoded by cw message |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:13) because he is near his home turf he wants to look
good for his massage partners |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:13) current icann.org whois: ICANN.ORG.EVIL.CREATORS.WILL.ONE.DAY.SHARE.A.JAIL.CELL.WITH.A.COKEDEALER.COM |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:14) sounds like fun |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:14) who's is that? |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:14) Hey didn't someone have some new site about crime
or something |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:14) "into louis' form" ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:14) better watch out WIPO will be after second
and third level domains soon. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:15) he's so full of it |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:15) Mastas o' Corruption, whats that url again |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:15) If ICANN makes a penny, will they give up ICANN.org,
if they succeed and REQUIRING .org entities to be non-profit? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:15) True Kendall |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:15) and fourth and fifth |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:15) and as many as they can get |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:15) That's ICANN's 192.168.6.26 server name
on opensrs |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:15) http://www.geocities.com/MasterofCorruption
? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:16) Sorry Peter - couldn't decode your line above! |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:16) Tofu, it's not ICANN who makes the money, it's
the staff |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:16) Who did masters KD? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:16) I don't know Gary |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:16) I roflol about that one |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:16) So where is the 50K per applicant, I wonder. There
is money left over, as I understand. |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:16) Kendall u have mail |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:17) "I wonder if that is indicitative of the
kind of person on that list". Which kind? You know.. the unwashed
masses kind. |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:17) The ironic thing is...the money taken from applicants....was
put to the contract phase and implementation phase....so the applicants
that were rejected, are in part, footing the bill. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:18) The 0Ks are going into the sluch fund, I mean
contingency fund |
| <baptista> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:18) ok folks - had a great time - thanks and see
ya all later - if i wake up. |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:18) bye, joe |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:18) see you later joe |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:18) hey joe, where ya going with that gun in your
hand? |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:19) lol |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:19) Enough - let Hendrix RIP.. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:19) lol |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:20) All this stdying and yet I never have seen so much
stupidity |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:20) how can they represent a group of people without
actually talking to them? |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:21) Karl is the only one who has a pulse |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:21) Welcome to ICANN Joanna |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:21) he's right |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:21) I agree Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:21) I'm confused too |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:22) all the money and time spent on @ Large |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:22) not everyone has web access, but might
have email access |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:22) How can you be a vibrant community when
the membership list is private |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:23) but it's not consolidated. ICANn should
provide that |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:23) consolidated? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:24) legitimacy and reasonableness! Do they even
know the meaning of the words? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:24) Well here we have arrived at the key moment |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:24) yes |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:24) :-) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:24) Gary, a single place for the @large
to converse |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:24) wb Joop |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:24) right, gotcha |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:25) Individuals != non commercial |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:25) exactly |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:25) I am non commercial and an individual. but,
they are not the same thing |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:25) (for those who aren't programmers != means
"not equals" |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:26) Come on! There is a request in front of
the Board! |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:26) no way! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:26) this is ridiculous |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:27) I have yo bail fro now Later all |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:27) keep putting it off. That's ICANN |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:27) later wise |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:27) He's throwing down a gauntlet here.. |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:27) hey ez there killla |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:27) Of course, the longer the status quo lasts,
the more faits accomplis can be created. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:27) put it off to the next meeting |
| <OFuk> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:27) nite nite lights out on icann how nice |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:28) Go Karl! |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:28) your lagged |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:28) It is an outrage that staff even speaks
to this topic |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:28) Abril has been talking for the past 5 minutes... |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:29) I own a domain name. I do not sell anything.
I am concerned with ICANN issues. Who represents me?? Where do I get
a vote? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:29) Agreed Gary |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:29) Go to google and search for montevideo antitrust
laws-- interesting legal developments in Uruguay, folks |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:29) Amadeu will keep the individuals out of
the DNSO as long as he 's alive |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:30) he was trying to lump them into NCDNH yesterday |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:30) They are on to that! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:31) How many times have you submitted the IDNO
to them Joop? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:31) Well said, Andy |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:31) How many times have they ignored you? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:31) officially, twice |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:31) Individuals are disorganized by their very nature
- huh? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:31) But it has never been withdrawn |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:31) how then do societies form |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:32) they just ignore it |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:32) how then does culture form. |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:32) out of chaos? |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:32) that statement was stupid. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:32) or make up some other excuse or hurdle to
overcome? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:32) Cultures form on my shower curtain Tofu... |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:32) yours too, eh? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:32) With Ken Stubbs and Phil Sheppard on the
NC it will never happen |
| <Tofu> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:32) speaking of which, time for me to make some cultures |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:33) Hmm, Uruguayan antidumping law, sounds like ICANN
fits , hmm |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:34) Well, well, the Board has once again allowed
Vint to quietly shelve the issue. Karl and Andy should press for a
VOTE |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:34) Well, they've done it again. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:34) What is Touton on? Only cochetti voted against |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:34) IDN is roughly like the New Net system no? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:35) circular |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:35) client side solution |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:35) KD, not finalized |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:35) could be client, server, or combo |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:35) hi Kendall, yes, it can be like that. This
is why I am participating in the AINC (Arabic INT) |
| <PeterMott> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:35) bye folks - time for sleep |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:35) night peter |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:36) They expect something more concrete in Montevideo |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:36) Seeya Peter |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:36) We DID read the bylaws |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:36) nite peter |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:36) And verisign wants their version and soon |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:36) I say we go back to the individual's constituency |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:36) The NC will block it because they are
lopsided and the IDNH has no voice there |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:36) We must force a vote at some time! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:37) We should ask Karl why he didn't push for
it? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:37) It's in the Bylaws that group can petition the
Board directly |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:37) I think the ICANN board should be an equal numbers
of "givers" and "takers" of Internet revenue... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:37) It is ridicilous to allow the other constituencies
to determine who may join. The Bylaws were written quite differently |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:37) Karl didn't push for it because there's nothing
for him to puch --- I want doesn't get |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:37) Joop, exactly |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:38) even if it gets shot down. at least he pressed
for a vote! |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:38) we didn't give him anything Kendall, sorry,
I wish we had |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:38) That right. Karl and Andy should press for
a vote. let each director shgw where he stands |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:38) exactly! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:39) put them on the spot |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:39) Joop, if you had a big budget (or US trial attorneys,
which is the same thing) this would be a good time to force a vote
by taking ICANN to court in US-- I'd suggest near Washington to ensure
Capitol Hill etc are aware of it. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:39) I think Karl may be thinking about pushing for the
vote here... |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:39) Why take a vote and lose - why not wait till
better proposal in front of them |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:39) Len, this will cost maby around 100K$ |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:40) there is never a "better" proposal Joanna |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:40) Oh, give me a break! The rest of the
world will come up with a system for IDN's and will implement it before
ICANN does a thing. They already have |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:40) no matter what you give them they find excuses
to turn it down |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:40) Kendall, that's not my take on the issue - I
see them set against Joop and no other alternative |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:40) if it isn't one thing... it's something
else |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:40) You might get civil liberties lawyers (excluding
individuals as a group) to do it for expenses. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:41) JoLane, this had nothing to do with
Joop or the IDNO. It was not presented as IDNO. |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:41) bye Peter |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:41) But, Joop has given them everything they
have asked for. And, it's still not good enough. It is always one
more hurdle. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:41) It was an attempt to use the bylaws
to establish the constituency and then form it |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:41) I don't agree Leah, I heard them mention his
proposal |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:41) And Joop, in such a court action, you would control
the agenda as the plaintiff-- so you could put the proposal how you
think it is best. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:42) Would the EFF would get involved? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:42) Jolane, that was not the request from
the GA, though. The bod just associated it on their own |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:42) Joanny may be right. They want and IDNO
(and they have tried their damnedest) that can be "controlled." |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:42) They filled in the gaps. They see no ther proposal,
they think it's Joop again, - sorry, I know it's not what you want
to hear, but it's what I understand |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:43) As Leah has noted and I have found, ICANN responds
to formal institutions like Congress Committees and Judicial Hearings. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:43) Has the IDNO sorted its internal hassles Joop? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:43) like WXW ? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:44) If somebody else puts up a proposal for an IC,
Joop stands against it, they will reject it because it excludes Joop. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:44) Well, Joanna, I'll disappear from the scene
the moment I see someone to lead an IDNO, who I trust to be truly
independent. Note how Vint Cerf said "independent" DN holders, instead
of Individual. Freudian? |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:44) If it is in court, ICANN has to deal with it (Vint
cant tell the judge that time is up or take it offline) and it has
to be reproted to and considered by ICANN Board. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:45) so the answer is, it has to be an "independent"
proposal, then Joop jumps on board the day before Montevideo |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:45) What do you have against Joop? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:46) I have absolutely nothing against Joop and he
knows it...:-) |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:46) I agree with Joop in that there is a big
difference between "independent" and "individual" |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:46) The BoD has something against Joop, that's the
problem |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:47) and the NC won't give Joop an inch
either. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:47) disolve icann, that's the most sensible thing
I've heard all night |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:47) Keith, there is no way to solve the "hassles"
. Only to start again with a structure and members that support it
fully. No organization can survive with the saboteurs inside. |
| <JohnVorstermans> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:47) I'm outa here. See you. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:47) later John |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:47) Seeya John |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:47) cya john |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:48) <the kiwi's are dropping away> |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:48) It's the middle of the night for them |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:48) Nite John |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:48) nite john |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:48) I still think that all of us should band
together to force the individual's constituency at EACH and EVERY
meeting of the BoD. They can only say no so many times |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:48) Joop - then perhaps that is the best course of action
- anyway, who would want to go forward witha bunch of dysfunctionals
to ICANN anyway? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:49) take it offline Amadeu |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:49) Its only 9.50pm in New Zealand Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:49) oh, sorry. I was thinking AU |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:49) I am working on it Keith, but I have another
life too. It needs financial support. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:49) It's only 7:30 in AU |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:49) strike one, strike two... |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:49) JI agree Kendall, but it would help to have
Bylaws proposed and an impact statement |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:50) It's 5:47 here in Boston. I have to work
in 3 hrs. :( I'm going to take off. See you all later |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:50) see ya Kendall |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:50) Bye Kendall |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:50) Its a tough job for NZ to lead the world into each
new day mmmCow. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:50) Seeya KD |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:50) I bet ;) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:50) LoL, |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:51) See ya Kendall, tks for the email |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:51) Perhaps the ccTLD's might be able to help with such
an organisation Joop? They may be more interested now. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:51) The ccTLD was always remarkably supportive. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:52) But many Individuals are .com registrants
where their own ccTLD's didn't allow individual registrations. .au
a case in point |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:53) it makes sense to have ccTLD support - they
represent the supplier, the IC represents the users - it's a balance
- I would go for a Users SO myself |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:53) even NetSol was suportive, back in the days
of Don Telage, before "the deal". |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:54) Jo, a user's SO rather than the At Large? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:54) William, why not? with @Large and IDNO as constituencies |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:55) No William. Domain Name owners are not just
"users" or consumers. It is much more. |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:55) Because an SO shares in the cost of supporting
ICANN, At Large does not |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:55) But you don't have to be beholden to the ccTLD's
- I think they would be supportive of any moves to break the stranglehold |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:55) Well, we'll just reduce the registry fee to
, then we'll have no problem |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:56) Keith, in other words, like Netsol, they
would be keen to use us as long as it suits them |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:56) BTW William, it's @Large that pays all the salaries
of ICANN staff |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:56) No, it's the registrants. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:57) Oh - I think the ccTLD's have a genuine interest
in the individual nameholders. Its a two way usage imho |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:57) Where has @large paid a penny. I'm in the
At Large and not paid a cent. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:57) yes, sorry Joop, it's late..:-) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:57) Early morning, where you are? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:57) You paid when you paid your .com name fee |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:58) Keith, the ccTLDs are registries. DNholders
are registrants |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:58) 6am...and no sleep for 24 hrs |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:58) I can be in the @large without a domain
name |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:58) IDNH's need a voice and have none |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:58) new york here |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 05:58) Jo, you have to think of your beauty, |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 05:59) lol |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 05:59) Yes Leah - but the registries are close to the name
holders - and interact with them on a daily basis |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:59) Keith, and they do not necessarily
have their best interests in mind either - e.g. verisign |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:59) UDRP... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 05:59) dn holders need a voice |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:00) Keith, I would like very much to explore
this more with you. I still see a basic take-pay relationship, unl;ess
the registrants own the registry. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:00) yes, joop |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:00) I agree Leah - thats why I think the ccTLD's may
be willing to help with funding for Joops (new) IDNO ... |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:01) Keith, are you a ccTLD? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:01) I doubt it, Keith. Many of the ccTLDs
are talking about contracting with WIPO and using UDRP |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:01) It is not in the best interests of
IDNH's to go that route |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:01) Many of the ccTLD's are trying to evolve their own
UDRP processes too - but that is a slightly different issue. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:01) if they can get support for a separate
constituency, fine |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:02) The point is what is an IDNH/O going to do to
ICANN - things that the present decision makers don't want to hear |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:02) customers are still at the mercy of
the supplier |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:02) Leah, Canada, UK, AU, NZ are all not going
to wipo, that's most of the rest of the English speaking world |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:03) It is the same discussion that cause some
break with the alt-registrars. In the end DN regsitrants do not want
to remain milking cows |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:03) Leah - I am not suggesting the individual nameholders
should be part of the ccTLD constituency - just that their funding
may come from the ccTLD's |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:03) they are still supply side |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:03) Keith, If there are no strings, perhaps |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:03) Leah - I like the structure of CIRA for example |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:03) GA=NC now in the Board's mind - good one! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:03) Keith, are you still standing for council
in isocnz? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:04) Joop - I still have a year to go on my current term
- I might stand for Chairman as well (with your support)... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:04) here's .ca upcoming election: http://www.cira.ca/cira/election?FN=PUB_VIEW_CAN_LIST&lang=en |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:05) Johnathan Cohen, ick! |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:05) Oh sure, inform them of the ICANN point
of view |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:05) Now you're talking, Keith :-) |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:05) Peter DT is not standing for chair this year Joop |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:06) This is what gets my goat... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:06) ISP costs from people asking why they
can't see something... |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:06) David Farrar is asking if I will stand for chair,
btw Joop |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:06) I'm not surprised. He'd wish that he has
taking my early warnings about PO'B more seriously. <g> |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:06) It's no different from cable channel
advertising "call your cable provider and ask for <somechannel> |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:07) I think he thinks that too now... |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:07) I agree Leah, customers should have to bear
that cost |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:08) Peter should run for @large director, if
they'd let him. Unfortunately in this region only a Japanese or Chinese
can be elected. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:08) Wonder if www.site.charritas would be of interest
to the indigenous nations of Uruguay? Or maybe www.charritas.humanrights |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:08) L8R all |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:08) But still - if the ICANN board comprised half and
half of "payers of costs" and "earners of revenue" from the Internet
- then there is a chance it could be perceived as a representative
body - i.e. the GA is about half the board... |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:08) I'm sorry Keith, I disagree. I think
ISPs need to know what customer want |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:09) Peter will probably want to retain the chair of the
international affairs committee of ISOCNZ in the menatime Joop - and
we should take this discussion off list perhaps? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:09) I also think that they should refer
calls back to the registries when they have tech calls regarding resolution |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:09) AND, the registries should be able
to field those calls |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:09) However... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:09) Keith <g> yes, 'nuff sid. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:10) Supreme Court of Uruguay is in Montevideo, very handy. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:10) when a customer calls an ISP and it
becomes a hundred customers asking for a service, it tells the ISP
what they want |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:10) We should email eachother on this topic Joop (keith@age.co.nz) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:10) What is the date of the Motevideo meeting? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:11) OK. keith, got it |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:12) 6th October Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:12) and MDR? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:12) Sorry Leah - 6th September |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:13) 6th to 10th September - so the Board meeting will
be the 10th September |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:15) MDR is 12 - 15th November Leah |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:17) meetings are too close together |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:18) When they get sick of travel - they might go down
to 3 meetings per year |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:19) "They" decided on four meetings a year in
an attempt to bring the meetings to a variety of locations throughout
the world |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:19) But they have to have their Annual Meeting in California?? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:19) yes, unless I am mistaken |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:20) There are people participating in Stockholm
who wouldn't have been able to come if they were all held in California |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:20) CA law requires a f2f meeting in CA |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:20) Ditto last meeting in Melbourne |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:20) No, there are no requirements in the bylaws
that mandate the annual meeting be in MDR -- it was merely convenience |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:20) not in the bylaws... CA law |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:20) 2002 Annual meeting will probably not be
in MDR |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:21) has to be in the state of incorporation |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:21) I have no knowledge of US business law, but in NZ
the annual meeting of a corporation must be held within NZ. |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:21) at least that is my understanding of
the law |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:22) Meeting committee determined otherwise in
Melbourne |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:23) I'd have to check the CA law to be
sure. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:23) I wonder if Jones Day use Ferrere Lamaison as their
Uruguay attorneys. I guess we will find out in late August. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:24) I think spreading the meetings around the globe tends
to add further confusion to the processes as it tends to ensure that
only the board and lawyers are consistently at the meetings |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:24) And minimisexs chances of effective participation
(and opposition) |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:24) Locating the meetings in a single place
ensures that the people who live near the venue dominate the discussion |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:25) THe same americans dominate every ICANN discussion. |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:25) Hans? Andy? Ken? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:25) William, that's not my experience. Only
in Japan, there was a large Korean contingent, at all other meetings
you always see the same crowd. The "outreach" effect of the circus
is very limited |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:26) As I look around the room, Joop, the number
of people participating from Europe is much larger than at Melbourne.
Outreach seems to work here. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:26) But they are usually the USA schmoozers and spooks
Joop |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:27) Ah, are you there on the spot. Yes, in Europe
there are more europeans participating. melbourne did not have some
many locally involved people. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:27) How are they participating. As an audience? Lending
legitimacy to this farce. THis chat is the most particiapatory area
in ICANN and noone has to leave home. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:28) true Len |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:28) Stiil, we accomplish zilch |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:28) Karl is doing good work |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:28) Sure they're primarily listening today,
but the last two days have seen participation in both organized meetings
and in hallway discussions. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:29) He's on the spot. I mean here in this chat
forum |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:29) Issue: When ICANN is clearly "carrying on business"
in Uruguay at the Sept. Montevideo meeting, are they in breach of
national antitrust laws by their quashing of non-ICANN roots and tlds? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:30) No idea Len |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:30) Keith, can you still get the video stream? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:31) Yes Joop - running fine |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:31) THe SUpreme Court of Uruguay will consider this question
in late August running into september. In fact, injunction proceedings
to prohibit the meetins (carrying on business of an illegal monoplistic
kind) could be commence now. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:31) I'm congested here |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:31) Stuart Lynn sounds like he's reinforcing the
bottom up process |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:31) Eat some prunes Joop :-) |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:31) Joop, switch to audio only |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:32) I have a 10Meg link here Joop - never misses a beat
(touch wood) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:33) Just switched to audia only. And eating
sume yoghurt :-) Bad sound too. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:33) yes, it's not great here, but better feed |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:33) I'm sitting right here in Stockholm and
the sound isn't that great either (* grin *) |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:34) lol William |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:34) Can you push the data down the pipe a bit quicker
then William - its about 30 seconds lag at least |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:34) What a privilege , keith and William :-) |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:34) we had a DoS attack here for the GA meeting
and missed nearly all of it |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:35) Makes you paranoid, eh? |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:35) Karl has done well. At first he could not compete
against the shmoozemaster voice of dj vint, but he has come back each
time and is now effectively co-chair with Vint. Tortoise and hare.
Karl, lacking vints pearly tones, has fought quietly and consisitently
to get recognised airtime. Good work |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:35) not me, Sprint |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:35) are you going to switch providers? |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:36) Agreed Len - he has won many points in the past 2
days.. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:36) not me, Harbard - they couldn't get it to the
US |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:36) Harvard...lol |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:36) Hi Patrick, |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:36) Hi Joop |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:36) morning Patrick! |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:36) Hi Joanne |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:37) or do you prefer Joanna or Jo ? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:37) Nobody in the US received the GA webcast |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:38) We are still waiting for the last moment
motion by Andy and Karl to let the Board create an Individuals' constituency.
So far Vint let the nay-sayers speak and is inclined to pass the buck
to the NC |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:38) I'm just trying no. Hold on. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:38) I don't mind Patrick...:-) |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:38) I did, Joanna |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:38) Well Jo is quicker to type ;-) |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:39) Geez Vint!!! |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:39) Looking ahead to the Uruguay round, there is probably
a strong human rights spirit there and maybe several local plaintiffs.
Anyone know any servers down that way? |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:39) I'm in Kar's speaking. |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:39) Joop, looks like that last moment motion
is not coming. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:39) Joop, do you think they're going to do anything
more on the IDNH... |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:41) I mean, a military dictatorship does leave its scars.
People who have been through that are not inclined to accept ICANN
fud at face value. Particularly americano fud dumping. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:41) I hope so. The last opportunity is at "any
other business'. It was not on the Agenda. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:42) Marcia Lynn, how is your spanish? |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:42) Joop, we have not a bad result - we have it
on the agenda for Montevideo provided we do the impact statement and
bylaws as requested |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:43) Jo, that was just a suggestion from Lynn
and not a firm committment |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:43) Joop, meeting is over. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:43) I find that very disappointing, Jo. What
I hoped for was a decision in principle. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:43) I know William, but he is the CEO |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:44) Jo, it was truly an offhand comment during
the discussion |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:44) I know Joop, so did I, but it's two steps forward,
one step back game |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:44) A good course of action would to be to follow
up with Lynn |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:44) hopefully not William, what else is there? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:44) I feel I'm still standing on the same place
as in berlin |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:44) exactly |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:45) Thanks for coming, folks. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:45) no Joop, you're not, don't worry |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:45) thanks for your help Ben |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:45) Thanks Ben! |
| <WilliamRadford> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:45) bye |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:45) Thanks bemn, for the hospitality |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:45) next timer, can we chose the music though? |
| <LeahG-originalBIZ> (Mon,
June 04, 2001 at 06:45) Good job Ben, Thanks :) |
| <PatrickCorliss> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:45) Thks Ben. Me too. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:45) See you all later. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:46) OK, hope the Supreme Court of Urugay has webcast
facilities-- otherwise Ben, Rebvecca and Amand could come a couple
of days earleir to get the court hearing too. |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:46) We'' talk Joop...bye...:-) |
| <Dassa> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:46) Thank you Ben and all the team that assisted. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:46) Thanks for coming, folks. |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:46) a los barricados, companeros |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, June
04, 2001 at 06:46) Expect an email within the hour re completion
of archives. |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:46) Thanks very much Ben - your efforts appreciated |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:47) Thnaks for fixing the scribe links Ben |
| <SergioBac> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:47) Thanks Ben & Rebecca.much appreciated work |
| <JoLane> (Mon, June 04,
2001 at 06:47) bye for now |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:47) Bye Jo |
| <Keith> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:48) Who is Touton talking to there?? |
| <Len> (Mon, June 04, 2001
at 06:48) Take it online, folks, see you there |
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