| Nickname - Message |
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| <BenEdelman> (Sun, September 09, 2001 at 17:08) Good night, folks. Meetings resume tomorrow at 8:30AM |
| <StephenSturgeon> (Sun, September 09, 2001 at 17:08) Good job Ben |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:31) Hello all |
| <JohnPalfrey> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:31) About to begin the Board meeting... |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:38) Ben / Rebecca - on the primary RealMedia 56k feed the video is good, but the sound is shocking - is there a problem? |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:39) We'll check it out. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:40) All fixed now - came right after 10 minutes of gurgle - brilliant now |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:43) Sorry about that. FYI, in such circumstances, it's always desirable to check a backup link (of which there are, thankfully, several!). As I diagnosed the problem, it was limited to a single encoder. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:52) Well he slammed the US press nicely |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:55) Good morning everyone |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:55) Keith, how are you? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:56) Hi Leah - I am good - how about yourself? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:56) exhausted, actually :) |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:56) Hello Leah and all, good afternoon. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:56) 2 hrs sleep |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:56) asvensson, where are you? |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:57) Hamburg, .de -- more comfortable than Melbourne webcast! :) |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:57) Is ICANN rattling you that much Leah? :-) |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:57) in what way Keith? It's the usuall garbage |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:58) Just wondering what caused you to only get 2 hours sleep Leah... |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:58) usual |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:58) a five hour phone call |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:58) discussing the reality of ICANN |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:59) That would take more than 5 hours...lol |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:59) and especially those like Lynn |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 07:59) gives the Brits a bad name |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:00) hi all |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:00) Hi Sotiris |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:00) Hi sotiris |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:00) Hello Sotiris! |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:02) NTEPPTF -- that's a whole new dimension in ICANN acronyms. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:03) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:03) someone better publish a dictionary of ICANN Newspea |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:03) Newspeak |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:05) I hope people pay close attention to those RIRs and contracts |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:05) It's going to be much more critical than domain names |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:06) Leah - question: what is the nature of the relationship between Neulevel and Melbourne IT, which company will host the registry database? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:06) Melbourne IT, I believe. Unless I am mistaken, they are the back end for Neulevel |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:06) as well as a registrar |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:06) I see. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:06) thanx |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:07) I was unsure how the split worked |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:07) I'm not positive. Would have to go back and read the documents |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:07) Melbourne IT owns a piece of Neulevel, but not nearly half |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:07) ah. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) They have banked everything on .biz and used all their cash reserves to buy in |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) I wondered it there a stake and in whom. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) Stock the other day had fallen to $.39/share |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) not a wise move.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) .35AD |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) I think so |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:08) Fell from $17 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:09) yes. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:09) Obviously, it does not break my heart |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:09) ha! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:09) .biz will not make the big splash .com made |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:10) there will be saturation though |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:10) Even though it angers me that the AU gov't has approved AUda's theft of the ccTLD from Elz when Elz has stated he did not feel Auda was ready to take .au |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) yes, that's quite interesting. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) I would not call it saturation, Sotiris. The fact that they have duplicated the TLD will have an effect, though |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) yesterday i tried logging into nic.biz |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) which one? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) it took quite a while on a dsl connection |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) repeatedly |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) there are two nic.biz |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) the recognizedroot |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) ICANN |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:11) recognized by whom? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) ICANN |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) oh |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) I don't see that one |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) I was using my IE browser not netscape |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) I use IE also |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) in netscape I have altered DNS settings and get the wider spectrum |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:12) as well as Netscape |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:13) I use pacroot and get all the real tlds, no colliders |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:13) brbr |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:13) brb |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:21) Ben, I sound fades in and out |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:24) Same here. |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:24) Spanish sound seems to keep fine. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:25) You are part of the alternate root setup anyway aren;t you Leah? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:25) setup? |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:25) Organisation? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:26) There really is not an organizatin, Keith. There are several atlernate roots, if that is what you mean |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:26) some have organizations, some do not |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:26) I know there are several - but you personally are an alternate ? Pacroot?? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:26) Some consdider ICANN to be the alternate |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:26) hehe |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:26) Pacroot is one root |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:27) It happens to be the largest |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:27) in terms of resolving all known TLDs (non-colliders) |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:28) I don't have anything to do with root operations, though. I just have TLDs |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:28) Which TLD's Leah? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:28) the original .BIZ, .online, .etc... |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:29) have partnerships on .NOT, .CORP |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:29) So how will you avoid collisions with the same new.biz names? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:29) also have .com2 |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:29) there is no way to avoid collisions if someone decides to introduce one |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:30) ICANN introduced the first major collsion. Others have followed |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:30) nic.biz is an example |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:31) Jun Murai's RSSAC report is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/rssac.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:31) How were those alternate TLD's actually originally delegated, and by who? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:33) An entity who wishes to launch a TLD sets up their operations and petitions the roots for inclusion. If they meet the tecnical requirements, most roots will include it as long as it does not collide with an existing TLD |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:33) I have switched the primary RealMedia sound to a different sound distribution system (realize that there's a good bit of hardware involved in running so many encoders with a single input signal from local tech staff!), and am hopeful that this will resolve the sound fading problem some folks are experiencing. Meanwhile, all diagnoses indicate that backup feeds have remained intact at all times. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:33) It is not a "delegation" since they do not have the power to delegate |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:33) Thanks, Ben! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:33) Thank you Ben |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:34) Roots are autonomous and can choose to carry whatever TLDs they wish |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:34) But the actual DoC root servers have never recognised the alternate roots? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:34) No, they have not |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:35) That root is just one of many, however |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:35) So the alternate roots are essentially private networks that are capable of interacting with the actual root servers? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:35) It has the largest market share, obviously |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:36) Keith, it's not that simple, but this is prolly not the best place for the discussion. I'm sure that Ben will tell us to take it off channel soon. :) |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:37) True - apols all ( just trying to grow my knowledge of the alt roots) |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:37) ICANN has stated that it will never dialog with any entity other than themselves, leaving out millions of people |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:38) and that they will duplicate at will (TLDs). That is one reason why you are seeing so many like new.net who duplicate |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:38) it's a bad precedent |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:39) and there is a great deal of misinformation published about it |
| <asvensson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:41) I'll be back later -- bye for now. |
| <JohnPalfrey> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:41) If anyone's interested, we've put together a very simple summary comparison of the NAIS and ALSC reports at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/palfrey/ALSC-NAIS-comparison/ |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:42) just read that john, thx. |
| <JohnPalfrey> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:44) Quite welcome. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:47) john, your notice of summary on forum.icann.org.ot mentions comments but see no link, did you mean advance comments or subsequent |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:50) The presentation on ENUM is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/enum.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JohnPalfrey> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:52) Gary, I think there should be a link under the body of the text with the title "Summary Comparison of NAIS and ALSC Reports" -- maybe it's not showing up from everywhere? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:55) john, no, the link works, that's how I was able to read it and thank you immed. after you announced it here, I don't read that fast :) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 08:57) What I meant was the forum post mentioned 'comments', that your announcement here didn't. I at first took that to mean subsequent comments and looked in vain for a link. Or should I have read it as advance comments used to put it together? |
| <JohnPalfrey> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:00) Oh -- sorry -- I meant advance comments that were worked into the text. Sorry to be thick. Thanks. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:01) thx. |
| <BorisFernandez_NAMEBAY> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:09) Good morning |
| <urgen> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:12) re, goodmorning |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:14) Hi urgen |
| <Keith_Davidson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:14) Hi Boris |
| <BorisFernandez_NAMEBAY> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:40) hi :) |
| <urgen> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:43) <= getting ready for work trying to listen in the background |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:44) anyone know anything about where realnames is at? their names don't work anymore via MS IE, I've heard of layoffs etc. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:44) hi J |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:44) Morning. How much have I missed? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:45) you just missed the Enum thing |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:45) just now I mean |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:45) this is now the open mic on it |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:45) Who spoke on it? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:46) Tony Holmes and Mark McFadden |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:46) I don't remember seeing ENUM on the agenda. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:46) Here's the current one, incl. powerpoint: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/agenda-pf-091001.html |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:46) See it now. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:47) So anything surprising? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:48) I wasn't paying it close attention. wanted to. not enough ears or eyeballs :) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:48) but clear that it remains contentious |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:48) Yes, its very contentious. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:51) The proposed resolution on the Independent Review Panel is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/IRP.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:52) The proposed resolution on the Reconsideration Committee is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/reconsideration.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:52) That's a funny ENUM presentation. Ignores the State Dept SGA meetings since January, and ignores the current US Position, which does not embrace the SGA report at all. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:53) It also completely ignores the policy issues. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:54) the presentation itself did include additional commentary that'll be on video archive |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:54) And the issues being raised at the current ITU meeting in Geneva. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:59) has scribe quit? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:59) I totally missed the resolution |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 09:59) :( |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:00) The gTLD Registry Constituency proposed resolution is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/gtld-constituency.html |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:00) and it is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:01) Rebecca, has scribe quit, both realtime and permanent? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:03) now have realtime scribe |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:04) The sponsored TLD resolution is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/sponsored-tld.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:05) All proposed resolutions are available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/completeresolutions.html which is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:07) WIPO II could find no legal grounds to give GAC what it wants, so GAC asks ICANN to do it anyway? (re GAC resolution http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/geographic-names.html)? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:09) ya, ICANN is going to mini ICANNs when it has to. Govs are going to ICANN for supranat when it has to. quite a racket |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:10) it's hard enough trying to nail jelly to a wall. now they're making you nail jelly to two walls with one nail |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:11) I didn't hear why Karl isn't in attendance. Anyone? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:11) he's on the phone |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:11) Ya, but how come? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:13) I think he had difficulty traveling, something about an injury (I think.) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:14) thx. too bad. wonder who kneecapped him. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:17) Vint doesn't even know what it is but he'll vote on it. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:18) Gary, I just sent you a note, you got it? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:18) if you mean email, no. mailer is down at moment. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:18) and if you mean chat, no, too :( |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:19) Ben, is double-click-on-name chat working? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:20) J, I'm on mIRC, dunno if that gateways, haven't tried it before |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:20) Judith, not sure. Am otherwise engaged with board meeting at this time. |
| <urgen> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:22) :-)) did I hear the word chatroom? |
| <urgen> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:25) time for work.. see if I can log in from there.. cu |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:28) The ccTLD auDA proposed resolution is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/cctld-auda.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:30) but Elz has NOT agreed to the re-delegation to AuDA |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:31) Gary, set-up isn't allowing floating chat window over real-time discussion, so have to jump into each one new. Sorry. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:32) Inherited policy. Where have we seen this before? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:32) Judith, are you using java chat or MIRC? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:33) Java Chat. I know, I know. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:33) Auerback is right. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:34) yes, he is, but he will be told to "take it offline" or just dissed |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:34) which as he is offline is par for the course |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:34) circular argument as usual |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:35) IANA is not transparent |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:35) it is transparent in ICANNese, black is white up is down |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:36) Somebody tell Lynn to stuff it. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:37) now Karl is a distraction |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:37) More ICANNese. Thanks but no thanks elz |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:37) No he's not. Lynn just said when we screw somebody, we'll thank them as we screw them. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:38) very sporting of them |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:38) The resolution on extension of agreements with the Department of Commerce and the Root-Server CRADA is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/mou-doc.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:38) But no grease. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:41) J, not sure what you meant about chat but did you get last few about macromed etc. |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:50) The geographic names proposed resolution is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/geographic-names.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:52) what a joke. you can't freeze reg's as all the names are taken |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:54) good one Blozkil |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:56) I'm on a computer without any sound. What's going on. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:57) with your sound or the meeting? :) |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:57) lol. the meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:58) there's sound via real primary feed for me. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:58) they're onto geopolitical names: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/completeresolutions.html |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 10:59) um, afilias sunrise squatters already took all the country names, so lets pass a resolution that we reserve them. duh! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:00) hi Sot |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:00) hiall |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:00) again |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:00) HI sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:00) anything stirring happen? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:01) just watching rubber stamps go up and down |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:01) the usual |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:01) SNAFU for short |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:01) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:03) which gTLD is the resolution in question for? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:03) foolish? are they afraid of GAC? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) this is just more incrementalism. instant policy. add water and stir |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) for which gtld? |
| <elviselvis> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) Hello all |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) info |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) thanks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) hi elvis |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:04) This is typical. Micromanage a registry |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) no kidding |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) set precedent for doing so in the future |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) they're trying to block all the country names. that way afilias can challenge them and take them out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) this is rather extraordinary though... |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) Let the registry stand on its own and face their own challenges |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) ditto' |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:05) let the gac challenge |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:06) Amadeo and barcelona.com... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:06) incrementalism - excellent word. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:06) the registry is in trouble with the public as it is |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:06) things have changed since barcelaona.com |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:07) for amadeo it seems |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:07) or rather those members of gac who have problems. *that* is the proper route. this is just more mini ICANN gove handshaking |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:07) gov |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:07) 2 points for Abril. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:07) GAC represents 29 governments out 243 |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:07) ya |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:09) Not that I am thrilled with Afilias, mind you, but this is ridiculous |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:09) Oh ya, put off to mdr. errr, afilias has already said challenges will take 6 months |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:09) If there were to be a delay in implementation of .info it should be for the obvious fraud, not this |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:10) what a mickey mouse rinkey dink outfit. oh, except they're the new world government |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:10) Personally, I think .info should be delayed to deal with the fraud - until it is resolved |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:10) agreed |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:11) agreed leah. they should freeze it in its tracks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:11) or, all fraudulent registrations are dumped back into the pool automatically |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:11) free to all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:11) for registration |
| <elviselvis> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:11) True |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:11) of course, i'm betting they'll be auctioned off... |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:12) sot, that would be the proper thing to do, but in the face of the way it is being handled, they should be prevented from going live until they do resolve it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:12) anyone want to take me up on it? |
| <elviselvis> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:12) probably |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:12) admit it is going wrong, make adjustments, then take back online. Imagine if this was a technical failure. would they put it off to mdr? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:12) Karl of course asks the correct question. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:12) why not? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:13) louis... |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:13) ICANN makes its own authority. If it does not exist, they will put it in the bylaws |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:13) all IDN equivalents are reserved... evn when there are no IDN's..hmm |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:13) DoC does not exercise its oversight authority, so why not? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:14) heh, good point sot |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:20) that was probably the closest ICANN BoD vote I've seen to-date |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:20) passes barely? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:20) in 3 years |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:20) is Adny gardner in here today? if he is, hi Andy! |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:20) The proposed resolution on appointment of an IDN committee is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/idn.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:20) the afilias abomination has spawned yet more drek |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:23) that's consensus? |
| <Joe_Alagna> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:23) Hello |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:23) I think consensus means that they used the term "bottom-up" but not that they actually used the process itself.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:23) hi joe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:24) therefore there *is* consensus.. on language. |
| <Joe_Alagna> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:24) Seems like the java chat is not working. I had to use my IRC client. Couldn't join the same way I was used to |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:25) Joe, logs reflect that most folks are indeed using the java client. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:25) brb |
| <Joe_Alagna> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:25) maybe its something on my computer. No problem |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:25) I am using the java client, but I had difficulty using it in netscape |
| <anon772> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:26) testing, testing...mine works, too apparently |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:26) It wouldn't work for me using M$ IE 5.5 either |
| <anon772> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:27) and I am on IE 5.50 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:27) what will be the purview and purpose of the IDN Committe they are proposing? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:28) to retroactively support the previous motion |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:29) I see |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:29) in other words, although there are no IDNs, we must resolve the issue of IDN country labels ... correct? |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:29) The proposed resolution on appointing the president to the executive committee is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/res/pres-to-exec.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:31) Sot, because it goes into so many areas, they make a co-ord committee. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:32) yes, I understand, but let's suppose we are reffering to Italy in the Greek character set, we get ITALIA in Greek characters. Who gets that IDN? Italy? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:32) this is silly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:32) .int is available as a restricted gtld |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:33) and ought to be used instead of .info or prposed IDNs |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:33) I don't think they have that answer. part of the reason that the afilias spawn vote was close |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:33) it gets really ridiculous |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:33) beyond absurd |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:34) sorry, meant answer to italy/greek etc. not .int. they want this, whatever it is, across all tlds |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:34) The thank you resolutions are linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <anon772> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:34) does anyone know the visa et al requirements to go to Ghana?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:35) make sure to get your shots six months in advance! |
| <anon772> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:35) and avoid the water, I assume? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:35) yes |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:35) Ken was a goodun! cya |
| <anon772> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:37) Bravo Ben and Rebecca |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:37) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:37) thanks ben and rebecca |
| <Rebecca_Nesson> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:40) The meetings are adjourned. |
| <Joe_Alagna> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:40) Thanks for everything |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:40) J, will contact you |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) ok. |
| <elviselvis> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) See you in LA, Rock on |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) I've had enough. Cya everyone. :) |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) cya |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) ttyl |
| <anon778> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) Thanks to all who made this interesting. |
| <anon778> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) Bye and CU@LA |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, September 10, 2001 at 11:41) Thanks for joining us, folks. Archives will be complete shortly. |
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