| Nickname - Message |
|---|
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 15:58) Hi "all"! |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:17) Have recosnideration request been covered yet |
| <UDRPvictim> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:17) How long before the farce gets underway? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:17) When did they start? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:17) 8 am there |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:18) 1/2 hr early |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:18) yes.... |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:18) yes |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:18) Did I miss anything important? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:18) not really, i think |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:18) re: some corrections to IOD info posted |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:19) we'll probably have to get it out of the scribe notes later |
| <ArthurMullard> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:19) I just got an email ".web .iii lose" |
| <ArthurMullard> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:19) What was that about? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:19) I have been getting strange things too AM |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:20) Just FYI... I am monitoring chat in the background. MSG me if you need something. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:21) What corrections to IOD's request are posted I don't follow |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:21) I think I missed the first part of it myself Ben |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:23) The draft resolutions are available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/touton-minutes-031301.html>. The document is also linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:23) evening/morning all |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:24) Morning |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:25) Night! |
| <SouthAmerican> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:25) Nights! |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:25) During Yokahama I actually changed my watch. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:26) :) |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:26) dyson? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:26) not Karl? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:26) No doubt |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:26) figures |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:27) how much did they pay Kent Crispin to write the registration software for MAL? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:28) Well, there you have it. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:28) i see the reconsideration process has had its emphasis completely altered - now restricted to consideration of "new info" - no scope for "reconsideration" based on subjective judgement of existing info - is that a fair characterization? |
| <SouthAmerican> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:28) Is anyone here member of any Constituency Groups? Send me privats! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:29) yes |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:30) But IOD's is new info when you consider how they messed up |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:31) Blokzjil is just the type of board member to spark a fight with Karl |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:31) preach on brother Karl! |
| <Depento> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:31) for Ben D: any news on iod or new.net |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:32) not if they "subjectively" judged info provided in the application ... that's what kraaij/mclaughlin said, vint appears to have agreed according to the scribe's notes - can anyone clarify? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:32) Go Karl!!! |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:33) Duh, he's critical of anything not for mega corps and IP interests, period |
| <SouthAmerican> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:33) Do you know which one is the REAL repercution of the new.net soft? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:33) very qualified?! please! |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:33) "let me remind board members" - hmm |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:36) danger is ...they could lose their jobs |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:36) greetings michael, judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:36) Good day everyone. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:36) hi judith |
| <SouthAmerican> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:37) Go night for the overseas! Hi Judith! |
| <SouthAmerican> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:37) Good night... |
| <SouthAmerican> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:37) jeje |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:37) self appointed? We didn't elect them? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:39) What I'd like to know is why having 2 icann board members who participated in the decision (1) to vote against direct elections and then (2) to have only 5 at large directors seated by elections, is not seen as a source of anti-democratic bias? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:40) The by-laws require 9 elected members. We only have 5. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:40) Not to mention the reconsideration committee should be made up of an poutside third party |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:40) The white paper has veen violated |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:41) YJ Park? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:43) the disappearing wg-review chair... |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:43) there's that word again "cooperate" |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:43) Icann doesn't understand that one |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:44) they don't know what "open and transparent" either |
| <Depento> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:48) Did anyone loose the scribe notes? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:48) yes |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:48) back |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:48) there's no "loss" of scribe's notes in such circumstnaces. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:49) when a single paragraph is long, you only get it when i press enter. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:49) How long before reconsiderations are addressed? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:49) lol ben |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:49) soon |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:49) hello john |
| <JohnFrangie> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:50) Hi Andrew! |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:50) At this point you might want to start calling me Blue Boy becasue as far as anyones chance are concerned I will be in the corner holding my breath |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:50) are you with chris or remote? |
| <JohnFrangie> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:50) Remote |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:51) Go Karl |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:55) They just want to take over the world Lol |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:56) strange that it's become a mandate/outreach issue... right vint |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:56) Hey, Joop doesn't look as crazy as he reads |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:56) Joop Teernstra folks! |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:57) No One has asked any questions in the Substantive Comments section? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:57) I lost connection - what I miss? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:57) Judtith not much as usual |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:57) The board resigned and appointed Jeff Williams and Joe Baptista to run the internet |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:57) Joop made a comment |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:57) other than that, not much |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:58) www.inegroup.org |
| <_r> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:58) Where the hell can we submit questions? I seem to miss the submission link. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:58) there are no submissions today |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:58) Does anyone know when they changed the schedule? I got here at 0830, only to find that they started a half-hour early and discussed the most important thing to my company. When was this agenda chaned? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:58) the public there did not know either that they started earlier... |
| <KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:58) Way to Go Nico! |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) Hey that is bogus |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) saving your presence, keith, i have to say i don't believe this realnames focus has any bite |
| <durango> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) They ran out of time yesterday, so they started early today |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) Chris, what did we miss? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) Chris what did you miss????????????????? |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) Well, apparently I missed the requests for reconsideration... the one thing I'm here to hear... |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 16:59) reconsideration discussion i presume |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) Hans the conspirator is behind this plot |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) strong hint committee will recommend denying all petitions for recon. |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) ...as if... oh, yeah, chris they changed their minds and gave you .web |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) sorry you missed it |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) hey Howdy... knock it off! |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) more than strong.. a disctinct shift of scope for entire recon process |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) distinct |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:00) ation requests |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) There are more than two requests you dingbats |
| <DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) That's great. Just start early, before any pesky applicants show up. |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) what changed their minds was the great coffee break in Yokohama |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) Getting Fucked again just like in November |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) unbelievable |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) not even a comment on the others pending |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) the At Large discussion (that I missed because all this started early -- grr) seems pretty interesting too |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:01) IODesign was specifically mentioned because Ken noted that he personally believed the Staff report was unduly critical of IODesign. He asked the Board as a whole to pay particular attention to the IODesign recommendation. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:02) This process offers no real checks and balances whatsover |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:02) Nonsense... you right a check, they cash it, and it helps their balance |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:02) lol |
| <DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:02) lol |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:03) Now I know why they call me BenDover because I am getting F**Ked |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:03) Bendover, that's not appropriate discussion for this forum. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:03) What wasn't appropriate I censored the word |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) what's under discussion now? |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) I'm confused |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) Any reasonable person understands the implication. That's not appropriate discussion for this forum. |
| <DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) Anybody think Cerf's a better busdriver than Dyson was? |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) at large committee -- see http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/scribe-icann-031301-bod.html |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) nevermind, I got it now |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:04) Well many of us are most likely beyong reason given the circumstances, whatever |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:05) Where is the membership resolution for at large committee language? |
| <Depento> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:06) this is a complete joke, speaking joke there tueton again |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:06) awww geee. Now that there are directors who care about at-large, the squatters want to limit them |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:06) Hows this instead does it pass censorship, Now I know why they call me BenDover because I am being Sexually abused. |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:07) <touton> "Can we change the word 'yes' to 'no', and 'up' to 'down', this is ICANN, after all" |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:08) I find the sound quality today to be significantly inferior to yesterday. Anyone else have this problem? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:08) yes michael |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:08) a bit crackly |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:08) The audio is very tinny |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:09) Yesterday was unusually good. Today is quite muddy and hard to make out what anyone with a deep voice says, e.g. V.Cerf |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) Is t hat Andrew? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) yes |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) no |
| <Depento> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) i think we should refer to tueton&stubbs as Thelma & Louise hopefully with the same ending1 |
| <DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) Michael: In case you can't hear Vint, I think he keeps asking for his makeup person, and that he can't wait to kick it with his homies after the meeting. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) He needs a shave and |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) yup, he made it to puberty and grew hair on his face |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) can you adjust the EQ settings on your Real Player Michael? It worked for me yesterday |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) ? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) he looks like the morning after the night before |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) dang |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) I wish members of this group would grow up. Recall that your comments are archived. You don't do much for the cause of public participation by acting like 12 year olds. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:10) Yeah Mate to many brewskies |
| <DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:11) Ok Mike, I'm gone. |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:11) Abbie Hoffman begs to differ |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:11) Proffesor you have always been a perfect gentleman and still it is like you were talking to a wall, this is bogus |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:11) Where are the EQ settings on RP to be found? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:12) under the view menu -- equalizer |
| <Depento> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:12) im Ashamed and will Quit the room, sorry |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:12) I think you get an equalizer only if you've paid for the "Gold" version RealPlayer. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:13) the free one (i have) has a 3 band EQ - the paid one is a 10 band EQ |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:13) I will be nice until it is not time to be nice , again |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:13) Anything about the reconsideration requests going to be discussed today? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:13) "sugar daddy" there is an international term |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:13) You're right, thanks Kendall. I used it and it's better. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:15) Option A/B a slap in the face to alternate suggestions like extending the time etc. |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:15) I have a RP that pops up. It has a 'preferences' optiion. That has 5 tabs: content, connection, transport, proxy, performance, support. None has an obvious EQ setting... |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:16) Are you watching in a browser or in the standalone player? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:16) Let's keep the discussion topical and learn how to use our software elsewhere |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:16) wating in browser that uses RP, I think. (Netscape) |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:17) I know the EQ is available in the standalone. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:17) The public comments board are overwhelmingly against this verising agreement and yet they don't want to notice |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:19) There should bee no Option B the white paper says one thing plain and simple. Who gave these people the "Right" to chan ge things? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:20) Ding ding Bret... he said "franchise" |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:20) wb andrew |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:21) thanks marcia |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:21) it is all about VeriSign ! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:22) Amazing how they don't understand how the same logic applies to small businesses on the domain name level. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:22) it would be a serious disservice to the community to give the registry to Verisign! |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:22) i would imagine the focus could be justified on the basis of stability ;-) |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:23) It's interesting how stasis is the operating assumption... 25 years from now, nobody is going to be naming anything "this.that", but the precedence for how the internet is run is going to live on like the ring in an unused bathtub |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:25) "like it or not this is not a corporation" .. telling statement |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:26) wow! |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:27) Hi, Prof. Froomkin |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:27) "staff is deciding most of the things.. not the board" |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:27) back again after updating real player. no noticable change yet.... |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:27) judith? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:28) i have 8.0, i doubt realplayer is the prob micheal |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:28) can you play with the eq settings? |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:28) Michael, I missed your statement of the problem. Can you repeat it for me? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:28) JDRP controls ICANN amd I mistaken? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:28) aha! closing the browser window and using RP directly greatly improved sound quality. (Sound was *VERY* muddy with the NS browser plugin today; same thing yesterday produced 1st class sound |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:29) For whatever it's worth, we heartily recommend IE. Much more reliable in my experience, and the primary platform on which we do testing here |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:30) NS can be flaky sometimes |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:30) I am pretty used to NS and loath to change... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:31) You can have both professor |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:31) can you believe this speech? this is what I would say if I could... :) |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:31) anyway, using RP in a separate window is working very well... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:32) Maybe they'd discuss substance if given a chance to read the documents! |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:32) this is great |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:33) no vint.. let him finish! |
| <durango> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:33) Amedeu *never* finishes ;-) |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:34) the scribe notes identify him as Andy, instead of zippy |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:34) Read the public comments board it tells you what people think of it |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:34) but, he has some very excellent points! |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:34) His flight is more important than his job! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:35) his flight is more important than our livelihood |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:35) his lengthy explanation of his position is more important than either |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:35) There is no hope I tell ya |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:35) Pity. Abril's analysis was very intersting. Shame to cut it off. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) To much truth |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) ..or to identify it as someone else's in the scribe notes |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) it's properly identifiedi n the scribe's notes. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) on screen. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) maybe something weird about order of copying to irc client. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) if ultimate html scribe's notes are wrong |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:36) please use http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/suggestachange |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:37) Do we have a link to that presentation? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:38) Be back soon |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:38) Ben, did you get a copy of Amedeu's presentation? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:39) I'll give the URL for the presentation in one minute. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:39) Thanks. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:39) Did the scribe notes stop? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:39) hi folks |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:39) Hello SS. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:40) wb sotiris |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:40) Is registry financial failure really a consideration? It's impossible to imagine not being able to turn a profit in the current market (with artificially reduced numbers of TLDs). |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:40) Amadeu Abril i Abril's presentation on the VeriSign agreements is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/amadeu-vsgrs.html>. It is also linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:40) Are you kidding? If there was time, you might be considered to have given the matter thought instead of rubber stamping away... |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:40) I think we should all request that major documents be translated before decision - then there will never be these rusehd decisions... |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:41) Translated into what? The official languages of ICANN? There are not yet such things defined. |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:41) i would prefer, michael, to have that as a matter of procedure rather than an outreach side-effect! |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:43) is the DNSO currently required to report by a realistic deadline? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:43) But, has the board "officially" passed it to the DNSO for recommendation? |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:43) that is ridiculous! concern about Verisign's fiances ? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:43) Is there any hope the telcon will be public? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:43) slim |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:44) and you say *I'm* making jokes? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:44) I doubt it... there will be large scale rioting if they go with "Option B"! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:44) are there no scribes notes today? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:44) The registrars are against 'b'; they have a good track record of getting what they want... |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:45) I'm getting the notes but slow and behind time I think |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:45) have any resolutions been passed to now? |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:45) I just logged on Sotiris ...no idea yet |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:45) time could easily kill 'a' ... what then? |
| <urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:45) I see scribe |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:45) then no option but B andrew |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:46) not if SOs have to report, imo |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:46) sotoris http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/scribe-icann-031301-bod.html |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:46) I'll be shocked if option B is accepted on the current schedule. |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:47) How can I get the full Scribe notes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:47) Verisign represents the backbone of American economic colonialism on the Internet. The backing this comapny has comes straight from the top (and I don't mean the ICANN BoD) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:48) this process has been appallingly mismanaged - to only start substantive discussions in january was reckless, imo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:48) I'm surprised they're even discussing it |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) Colonialism involves going somewhere else and obtaining territory - Non-US folks are allowed in the ICANN root by invitation of the US Government - It is our root, deal with it |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) discussions were started prior to that. we met in Marina Del Rey and got alot accomplished |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) vint endorses B. I'm still trying to see what the benefits are? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) Option B = permanent monopoly |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) Got booted again, what I miss? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) HowdyDoody let me laugh at you for a moment... your name says it all |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:49) April 2cnd conference call |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) a Dood is a pimple on a donkey's ass |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) a fabulous presentation from amadeu on verisign agreement |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) The full scribes notes are linked off of the main webcast page. They are directly available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/scribe-icann-011301-bod.html>. These notes are updated every 5 to 7 minutes. Scribe's notes from the earlier meetings are available in the archive. |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) only B benefit: .org is better than nothing |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) Sotiere - the saviour of what? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) *That* I saw, but Rebecca, the link doesn't seem to work. |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) But the change in .org is only a year or two, right? |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) could someone explain option b in detail |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:50) right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) it happens to be my real name... why don't you use yours? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) Seems to me that the main gains to ICANN are changes in financing and that it cements the new contract forms it is pushing on the new gTLDs. Which are a greater worry to me than the A/B issue. |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) no, it would come up for redelagtion later this year versus 2007. It's six years early. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) I agree Micahel |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) Michael |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) I got back in just as Vint was speaking. Its rather presumptuous for him to give us his opinion, while we' |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) Ok- I stand corrected on .org. But even so, is this worth it? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) ve not had time to forumate our's. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:51) If you are in the DNSO -- now is the time to chip in and help make a recommendation |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:52) If not... now is the time to get involved in the GA or some of the other lists |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:52) Even Prof. Froomkin testified to the US Senate that the root belongs to and should be controlled by the US Government, as he does not see a viable alternative |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:52) is there public comment today? |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) .net 2006, .com 2007 i compelling enough against 'b' as far as i'm concerned |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) i=is |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) touton@icann.org -- everyone write to Loius |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) there is no public involvmement during board meetings |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) ok Yankee Doodle Dandy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) whatever you say |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) the problem seems to be that there is never any real public involvement period |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) A more serious issue is that phone conferences are (so far) in secret. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) yes |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) true |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:53) that is disturbing |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:54) Is that, resolution moved and seconded to ignore the NC resolution? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:54) good point Prof. Froomkin |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:54) Where's Vint Cerf going? |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:54) Why not move to an international body like the IMF or a seperate group of the UN to keep this fair and multinational |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:54) to catch a plane |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) back to the states |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) SS, you can hear him say it at www.lextext.com/senateICANN.mp3 |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) Leavin' on a jet plane... don't know when he'll be back again..... |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) does Alexandro get to use the headphones? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) ha |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) Thanks, HD - the blub is wonderful indeed - but I want it in writing too. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) is there a coffee break now? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:55) scribe's notes have I. fockler AFTER section XIV (somthing out of sequence?) |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:56) those headphones will auction on ebay some day, wait and see! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:56) i had trouble with connection |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:56) I'll put my bid in for them now |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:56) no wait, I'll list them |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:56) ok, folks, i would love to stay but it's 2am here and i'm up at 6 ... until next time ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) in all seriousness, is there a break now, for how long? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) c ya andrew |
| <AndrewMoulden> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) bye |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) 15 minutes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) Cool music. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) ah |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) is there a copyright on this music? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:57) call Wipo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:58) isn't that American owned as well? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:58) Al Gore invented the internet - it is ours |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:58) excuse me... but doesn't the planet belong to America? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:58) and the moon too? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) No, we left the parts we don't want to the native Balkan inhabitants |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) stay out of there |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) and their sheep |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) you'll get burned |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) and you won't be the first |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) We gave Greece to the Turks, but they didn't want it either |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 17:59) what's the IRC command to go to sleep? and to wake up again? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:00) like the gratitude the Albanians will start showing you soon |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:00) mmh /away? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:00) heh, good one ss |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:00) Great website Bret -- thanks for sharing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:00) wait till the body bags start coming |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:01) BTW the Greeks kicked the Turks out... without ANY help |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:01) surprised the good ole boys |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:01) didn't it? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:01) Naw... GW will blame clinton, pull us out, and let y'all duke it out on your own |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:01) we're down with that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) Greece is the only country to have expanded its territory 400% since 1900 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) fact |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) Greece is the only country that invented democracy and then forgot how to use it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) put that in your CIA handbook |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) I think Israel has done pretty good since 1949 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) at least we know what the word means Howdy doody! |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:02) mmh /away |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) Israel did ok, but still not as well |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) mmh /away |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) oh well, they still have time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) i hope |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) just type /away and then the message I think... |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) Democracy is easy... we have a vote, and then one of the candidates brothers picks who won |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) hahahha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) exactly |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:03) the Professor keeps moaning at us |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:04) it's break time |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:04) you have still time to notice that? |
| <Dassa> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:04) Anything interesting come out of the resumption of the public comments from yesterday? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:04) was there a resumption? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:04) the "switch" comes first then the message |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:05) just leave out the mmmh part |
| <Dassa> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:05) Well...the conclusion to the public comments at any rate from the agenda and what was stated yesterday. |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:06) There were a few comments, dassa, esp. on multilingual |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:06) By Joop :-) |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:07) ere |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:08) catch the shine from louis' head |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:08) It reflects light the other way in the southern hemisphere |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:08) whoa... I see the southern cross |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:09) hoop it |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:09) tell louis to bend over again |
| <durango> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:09) Music by Leon Redbone ? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:09) there he goes.... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:09) who's choosing the score |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:09) Score turks: 5 greeks: 1 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:10) the game's not over is it? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:11) Ben... i'm starting to feel mildly offended by Howdy doody's racial remarks. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:11) would you remind him/her what we're here to talk about? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:12) mildly? I'm going to have to try harder... Okay, I'll go back to the topic of how to work the equalizer in real player |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:12) unless you condone his statements, of course |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:12) sorry sotiris. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:12) This chat is intended for discussion of ICANN-related issues. Discussion of people's personal appearances is inappropriate. Please moderate your comments appropriately. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:14) Unnecessary Zoom! Woooaoooooaaaahh |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:14) okay, we are listening to leon redbone and doing a closeup on what looks like some woman's butt holding a handbag.... I'll try hard to figure out what is appropriate to that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:16) Prof. Froomkin: Is the selling of WHOIS data by verisign/NSI to commercial entities not a breach of privacy/trust? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:17) does it not contribute to unsolicited mailings (spam) etc...? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:17) nope, it's in the domain registration contract AND a required provision of the registrar accreditation contract |
| <Dassa> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:18) Anybody can get access to the whois data if they are willing to pay the 10,000 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:18) what's in the contract... that i gave them permission to sell my info? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:18) where's that stated? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:18) please point it out. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:18) i must have missed it |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:18) sure it does... but by putting a non-enforced provision against spam, they can say that 'it's not allowed' - uh, yeah... momma don't allow no guitar playin' either |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:19) it's in there sotiris |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:19) yah, listen to the crazy .biz lady |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:19) hmmm, wasn't howdy doody a wodden puppet? |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:20) you wish |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:20) oops wooden |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:20) leah... don't bother. he's repulsive and a flapper. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:20) couldn't resist :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:21) Vint is gone! Now is our chance! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:21) haha |
| <HowdyDoody> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:21) Quick! Move to vote Vint out! |
| <GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) amadeu is not happy |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) not at all |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) We are missing the analysis of the pros and cons between the deal |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) I don't blame him |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) Afternoon... |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) afternoon greg |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:22) wb greg |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:23) How can I get details of the two options please |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:23) hi greg |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:23) hey |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:23) Franz, review the archive of the public forum yesterday where Joe Sims' presentation on the two options is available. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:23) did hans K get his pizza? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:24) Chris? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:24) http://www.icann.org/melbourne/proposed-verisign-agreements-topic.htm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:24) good riddance |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:24) Thank you Rebecca and Kendall |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:24) No pizza :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:24) darn ;-) |
| <ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:25) But if anyone wants to send one to ME today... ;-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:25) what? you mean VeriSign isn't splurging? |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:26) howdydoody, please keep your discussion on topic. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:26) It makes no sense that the DNSO take the floor now. The NC resolution was ignored, and its whole point was that without adequate time there's been no chance to develop substantive comments or questions. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) Just tell the pizza guy to ask for Hans Kraaijenbrink |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) This is good. suddenly it's okay to have a combined regsitry/registrar? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) This is typically unfair, all the attention behind closed doors and here is versign this verisign that it is sooooo old How about some new blood and not established players |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) Why does this agreement need to be ratified by the US Department of Commerce |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) Because theUS Govt owns the ROOT |
| <JohnFrangie> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) On wednesday, so most likely soon after that. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) Franz, because it originated there |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:27) the US Doc is a party to the original agreement |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) but after that, the doc is not involved at all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) we'll see |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) This Chinese Wall talk will never be adhered to it's BS |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) no kidding |
| <GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) is the logic that since the registry is a delegated function, it's OK? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) the big companies all feel easy with it... it is us the people who object! |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) This then makes ICANN an agent of the United States Government correct |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) Monty Python? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) yes and no |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:28) FB: Yes and no |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:29) FB that has been the argument by many |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:29) The problem is that is unclear |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:29) quite obfuscated |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:29) It is clear but the question is who will do something about it |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:29) Has anyone checked who among the pro-deal people have significant stock investment in Verisign? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:29) Karl will set them straight |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) was he for it or agin it? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) good question Judith |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) Karl will be ignored |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) as always |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) I tried to state before that ICANN should be a part of a world governing authority |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) never happen |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) the UN? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) heaven forbid - UN |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) IOD!!! |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) Judith that is a great point |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:30) they can't get anything done? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) Or Judith what perks might be offered that aren't cash???? |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) There are other agency however, IMF |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) Its just a question. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) Judith... they're certainly not going to publicize |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) the UN is the ultimate model of beuracracy |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) WIPO is UN |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) IMF!!!! no way! |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) You know I might be open to this agreement if Image Online Design also gets a like agreement...To ensure competition.... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) I don't know Kendall ICANN does quite a job themselves |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) The IMF is a safekeeping institution |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) the IMF is a farce |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:31) keeping rich people's money safe |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) IOD IOD IOD let's say it IOD IOD lol |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) Go Karl |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) brb |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) The IMF is a world bank model, like the Fed is to the United States |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) And for Leah .Biz .Biz |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) the IMF is a criminal organization |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:32) but, what do they do for the private individuals Franz? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:33) How have they helped the "little people" like you and I? |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:33) I don't think this is a private matter. It is the registration of TLD's worldwide |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:33) This guy is particularly galling, after having heard from everyone that they need more than 3 weeks. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:33) Business, and WIPO love the IMF... it protects their interests |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:33) .COM is a service mark of the DoC |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:33) that imho is simply to make the decision in private |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:34) instead of in public |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:34) I was gone for a while were the reconsideration requests discussed or will Hans address those behind closed doors and release a statement that is arrogant junk |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:34) but, what about the small guys who can't afford big-shot lawyers to protect themselves? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:34) oh, they don't exist kendall |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:34) the IMF and its cronies are the only ones who do... |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) I think thats why you form corporation so that you have the power to have a better collective voice |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) we're a pipe dream |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) what small guys? are there small guys in the world? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) I think it is interesting to watch big business and intellectual property interests join the ranks of the ICANN-ignored. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) yeah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) how about that! |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:35) A good idea in theory Franz.. but nobody has been able to pull it off. |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) I had to laugh when "an unamed ICANN director" had problems with At Large members having too much influence on the ICANN board....yeah right... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) "unnamed" |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) I think quite a few have pulled it off including Microsoft and Sun |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) yes unnamed.. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) Roberts why is he still here tell him to leave he isn't the CEO anymore he should be barred just like the new directors were in November |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) how does sun and microsoft help you and I? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) ben - scribed notes are stuck? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:36) by taking our money? and inhibiting competition wherever they can/ |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) That said, we have to see what perks are going to be offered to the IPC and BC to placate them for this public insult. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) ty |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) must've been a long pp ;-) |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) They have a large cross section of stockholders who help to make decisions and push the company agenda through |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) You got ta Love it Mr Roberts the Guy who lied to the Seante via his testimony. I hope they hang him for it |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) what about somebody who owns a domain, doesn't have money and wants to make a parody site making fun of a large corporation? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:37) Franz, do we live in the same reality? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) Is parody an acceptable use? Are we allowed to speak out against a corporation? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) New tld agreeements means SUNRISE |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) Kendall, I think that the market will allow anyone to compete |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) Touton Controlss ICANN |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) okay, what is all this he is babbling about? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) yes, and sunrise defeats the purpose of new TLDs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) benD: it certainly seems that way |
| <GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) like Batman.... in the evil guys' lair |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:38) Wow is he really that bald in real life |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) This resolution is wildly premature, at least as I've read it on the Berkman page. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) but, the little guys can't pull together enough to form a lasting corporation! there is no incentive. For big companies the incentive is simple ==> $$$ |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) Check Toutons bank account there you might find afilias Lol |
| <asvensson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) Bret: Could you mention the URL? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) toutonology |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) It purports to give final authority to execute these agreements to staff, without another review before the Board. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:39) Man he has a large Cranium |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:40) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/touton-minutes-031301.html |
| <asvensson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:40) Thx! |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:40) I wonder if he buffs it? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:40) lemon wax |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:40) Forming a corporation is not very expensive. The current market price for domains is so low that this point seems non impacting |
| <Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:41) Whoa. |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:41) companys like olm and verio can get you a domain for 12 to 15 dollars a year |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:41) But, how do you get anyone to take you seriously Franz? This has been tried time and time again. |
| <GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:41) Franz, that is exactly what they want you to think - it's not a big deal, they can handle it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:41) a domain and a corporation are two very different things franz |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) hey Jo |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) After viewing thse many ICANN meetings, ICANN is in Verisign's pocket and the Staff runs the show. Why doesn't something change! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) Amadeu is not happy |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) He is on the Reconsideration Board isn't he... |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) yes I know, what I'm saying is that you move it to an true international organization and let the market determine the price we pay |
| <JoannaLane> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) Hey Sotiris |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:42) Congress must be lobbied |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) You can create a set of bylaws, you can incorporate, you can hold meetings, you can have mailing lists, you can make recommendations - but nobody cares. Unfortunately that is the bottom line Franz |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) why congress, TLD's belong to the world |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) It's like spitting into the wind |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) no they don't |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) I don't agree with it... I think that it is wrong |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) .COM is a service mark of the US DoC |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) If you could come up with such an organization - I would join. |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) Kendall, form a closely held corporation then |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:43) fraz, are you patronizing us? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) franz |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) Not at all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) really? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) all of these things have been tried... to no avail |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) I really believe that TLD's don't belong to the US and the DOC and Verisign. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) i can't hear your tone, nor see your facial expression to judge for myself |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:44) so they will approve the agreements without further public comment even though they are not completed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) they will have to... |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) I agree with you Franz - they belong to humanity as a whole |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) they know who butters the bread |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) ICANN yearly cost is only 5000 to start a registry. with that you can charge whatever you want |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) not really |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) the market determines your price |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) Obviously you will need competent professionals to run the thing and they cost money |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:45) competitors |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:46) You could form a non profit association to house your registry |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:46) like ICANN? |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:46) FreeBSD is a great example of cooperation |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:46) but, they do license BSD and charge for it do they not? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:46) Franz, now I know you are patronizing us |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:47) Not like ICANN, a registrar of ICANN |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:47) No cgarge for FreeBSD |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:47) but... for BSD itself...that is where the money is made no? |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:47) Not any more |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:47) ha |
| <MarcSchneiders> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:47) BSDi and FreeBSD merged |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:48) no kidding |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:48) Someone remind me, where in this process is DoC approval? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:48) behind the scenes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:48) of course |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:49) I think that ICANN could use some better role models- maybe from the Open source community? Anything is better than the ICANN / Verisign model. |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:49) Judith .. the process is when SAIC/VRSN and DOC meet |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:49) sorry about that, the point is cooperation |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:50) if you needs are not met then form a group to get your agenda through |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:50) franz: how long have you been involved in ICANN matters? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:51) I'm only asking because it sounds like you haven't been around to see the state of all such "cooperatives" |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:51) You should talk to Christopher Ambler (the .web registry) about ICANN and how they operate. He has been after them for years! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:52) If you check, you will see my name listed as attendee to the first ICANN meeting in Boston. Since then, not much has changed really... imho |
| <JohnFrangie> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:52) Hi Greg |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:52) Sotiris not that long, but I joined because I needed things from them |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:53) Hey John! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:53) 1998-2001 |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:53) NC being put on short leash re deadlines. Payback or plan? |
| <JohnFrangie> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:53) Nice of you to join in. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:54) plan |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:54) The point is that if you need to accomplish something then you find a group or create a group to execute you agenda |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:54) I agree with you Franz... but, nobody has reached that "holy grail" yet. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:54) did you get what you were after from ICANN franz? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) 'cause that will be a first |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) So far I've receive what I've asked for |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) really? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) specifically? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) what did you ask for? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) I just picked up the April issue of Smartbusinessmag.com and their is a story called newDomains New Headaches and Biztld and even .web is mentioned http://www.zdnet.com/smartbusinessmag/stories/all/0,6605,2688753,00.html |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) I pratice the philosophy of baby steps Sotiris |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:55) what have you asked ICANN for Franz? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:56) that's not very practical in a land of Ginats |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:56) Giants |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:56) big strides all around |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:56) That may be for a move private discussion Kendall |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:56) why? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:56) Awareness of the alternate roots is picking up |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:57) Theris Mr. Clean again |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:57) hey! now i recognize him!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:57) no white suit though |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:57) lol |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:57) Groups like http://www.new.net are worrying ICANN? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:58) They don't seem outwardly worried.. they only acknowledge one root. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:58) As they should .The more they try to put a stranglehold on the amrket for their friends the more new.nets will pop up |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:58) checking them now Kendall |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:58) ICANN is the government-sanctioned overseer of the main root. If the private industry coordinates, it could theoretically create a viable alternative |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) It just requires organization. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) Yes and ICANN would have No power! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) who is this guy? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) Well, not no power. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) speaker? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) I knew he would go there. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) But...theoretically, over time, it would not be the only kid on the block. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) Yes no power if the tranisiton was complete |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) nah. |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 18:59) Kendall that is exactly what I'm talking about |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:00) Those folks will have great bargaining power in the next two years |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:00) that's like saying that Earthlink will get rid of AOL. Not going to happen. But a viable alternative would come into existence. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:00) new.net starting off with 16 miilion internet users abble to see them is not shabby |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:00) There is plenty of pie for everyone to share |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:00) indeed. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:00) Time for ICANN to bring IOD's .web on board... |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:01) 16 million on eBay...not good |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:01) Now is the time, folks. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:01) Yes Franz there sure is but try telling that to ICANN |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:01) .Web is truly the strongest and most desired competition to .com and they know it that is why they first tried to steal it |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:01) You don't need to tell them, they will see the light of they will fail just like the dinasours |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:02) but in the meantime there are many who want the opportunity to compete and can't because ICANN gets to say who can even play the game |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:02) what is this ridiculous motion they are voting? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:02) oh Great!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:02) no idnh |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:02) exactly sotiris |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) they wanted a quick fix, nothing major |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) nothing solved, nothing changed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) so.. no @Large and no idnh |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) They are voting for No indivdual rep. ? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) they just voted to put it off indefinitely in the future |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) in other words... time for a terror campaign? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) Good point. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) BD. new.net loaded 18 colliders. There is already one dispute with an existing domain name - warren.family |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) If they vote such a thing this is clear proof that the indivudual has always been shut out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:03) they just did bend |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) Ben D |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) as has been the case from the beginning bendover |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) Andy makes a good logical point. |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) face it .. only thing that will ever stop ICANN is a lawsuit |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) Karl is pissed |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) 'I agree Leah I don't agree with everything they have done, not by a longshot. They are no better than ICANN when you look at things |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) and so am i |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) Karl is constantly stimied. It is frustrating as all hell. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) Ben, that's whay I've been saying |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:04) Time for me to email ICANN again. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) And cc every journalist and politician in existence. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) Tom: why waste your time? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) The way they shut him down is so clear and obvious. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) And a matter of public record. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) I dont know. I am glutton for pain. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) New.Net could have included many alterantes as p[ossible but instead their greed ruined a good opportunity to crush ICANN since now everyone is still so divided |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) thank you karl |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:05) $450,000 for an at large study ??????????? they gotta be kidding ! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:06) Jess, that's for their internal study, not the independent one. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:06) I will study whatever the hell they want for 20 percent of that. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:06) Yea Karl. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:06) What is their to study we had one election and over 70,000 people came forward what a crocker of shit |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:06) yes Karl! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:06) over 150,000 people came forward |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:07) This stuff has always seemed to ruin a perfectly good day. I have nausea |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:07) i also get a sickened stomach watching these mtgs |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:07) Man Now I know why my name is Bendover |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) sick |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) he he |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) hah |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) I didnt catch that at first. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:08) And me....I'm into the OCCult. I think it is time for a little Wiccan. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) cast a curse on these bozos |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) Gotta make me a voodoo doll....or 12 |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) does the DNSO have veto power in ICANN |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) pluck a hair from toutons pate |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) They still have three vote correct |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) No! Don't let Louis have the checkbook! |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:09) Is Touton or Mike Roberts going to step down? Isnt the office of one of them coming to a close? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:10) He'll probably just get a tank, some SS men, and bunker in. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:10) I bet Karl objects... |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:10) Go Karl. |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:10) Mr. Smug |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:10) The ZD net article is good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) link? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) leah, do you have a link? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) Roberts is ex CEO as of today why does he still get to play |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) see! Karl objects! |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) Because he is a deity |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) You like that Leah Did you know about it |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:11) you mean for dot BIZ? yes and one for the PacificRoot which is the registrar |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:12) I was interviewed for it |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:12) Leah, did you ever communicate with the new .biz people? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:12) Louis: "Pay to the order of..... L o u i s T o u t o n" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:12) do you have a link Leah? |
| <JoeAlagna> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:12) http://www.zdnet.com/smartbusinessmag/stories/all/0,6605,2688753,00.html |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:12) Louis and Joe can write checks to each other! |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) Can you imagine this particular meeting without Karl???? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) Tom, way back. No reply |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) This magazine is pretty high profile. It was on the Supermarket shelf |
| <MichaelSchweisinger> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) what have they done to .web? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) not a thing michael |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) spit on it |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) Mike, that is the question of the millenium. Well, more like, what WILL they do? |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:13) put on the blinders and stick their head in the sand. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:14) I don't know about you but the last time I checked I never voted for anyone but Karl so I don't get why yhry have the right to tell me what our internet should be like. Whast burns me even more as a US citizen where democracy is supposed to mean something our own Govt is party to this crap |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:15) the US is a Republic not a democracy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:15) big difference |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:15) I don't want to get into a whole nother issue but I hope you see what I mean |
| <MichaelSchweisinger> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) ya |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) We tell the world how free we are and now our own Govt allows this Dictatorship to exsisit |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) sotiris, correct. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) oh yes... they pay plenty of lip service to democratic ideals when they are interfering in other people's business. |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) I wonder how much this trip to Melbourne cost |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) It's nice all the US taxpayers funded the interent and now fon't have a voice |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:16) i'm sure it cost a bunch to ppl like chris who haven't moved fwd at all |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:17) Ben that's not true |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:17) Mr Ivy league Clean himself, sickening |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:17) toutonology |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:17) Yes it is true where do you suppose the US Govt gets their money |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:17) It seems while I was away they approved the new gTLD contracts??? |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Approved new gTLD contracts with what appears not much debate? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Michael, they took over Canada. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) are you surprised? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Professor did you really expect anything different |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Everyone funds the internet, not just the US taxpayer |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Invaded and all. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) hey I'm in Canada... and it's true! |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Well, they might have read the contracts before approving them... |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) lol. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) Franz lighten up I am talking about it's creation and early years |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:18) yeah.. that would have been nice |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) Mr Smug back in the limelight |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) functional illeterates can't read contracts... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) No checks and balances |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) Prof. Froomkin, the faster they end this part of the process, the faster they MIGHT move on to the second round. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) illiterates |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) I understand sorry |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) CORRUPTION need I say anymore |
| <MichaelFroomkin> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) But if they create 'templates' in this part of the process which they then enforce on later gTLDs this ruins things for years |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) these people don't make any decisions |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:19) who is paying for the trip to melborne however |
| <MichaelSchweisinger> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) Us |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) new gtld applicants who were robbed of 50k how does that grab you? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) it's the puppet masters who pull their strings and remain behind the scenes |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) Verisign kicked in something I am sure.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) they're paying for our webcast |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:20) Has Len Lindon already handed Vint Cerf a formal handwriten notice? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:21) crumbs from the table of the robber-barons |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:21) Notice how ICANN says how rosy their finances are , yeah because they stole nearly 2 million dollars. Who ever said that money should be used for ICANN in general |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:21) our very presence validates and legitimizes the actions of these bozos |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:21) icanns finances are in bad shape. not the opposite. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:22) Really where did 1.8 million dollars go? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:22) 1/2 a million in legal fees to joe sims is part of the reason |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) hotels and airlines |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) and bars |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) to the lawyers - mainly. they are in fact operating on a very thin margin - yikes their discussing coach fares instead of first class to achive economies. |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) who is the lady speaking |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) If $50,000 was the fee set with the understanding it was a sufficent amount to cover all costs should that applicant win a spot . That being the case then they stole 1.85 million dollars and a blind man can see it |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) So noted.. |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/stories/0,1199,NAV47-68-84- |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) 91_STO584 87,00. html |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:23) in fact joe sims you might say is icanns major creditor |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:24) Every time I see Touton, I think of Steve Ballmer.... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:24) here we go! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:24) udrp |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:24) I have heard $500,000 a quarter is that correct? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:24) Did anyone watch the Silicon Summit 2? |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:25) Was on here last night....but got a recap on MSNBC.com |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:25) Everytime I see Touton I want to puke |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:25) lol |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:25) We need Tom Brokaw to ask the topught questiuons that would make these bozos squirm |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:25) He did good in that newshow |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) They are calling the UDRP a success LOL |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) Here is my prediction...With MSFT going more towards a .net platform....I see them getting more involved with these types of issues..... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) personally, I have nothing against any of these people personally. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) OMG |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) but their activities are atrocious |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) I wouldn't mind seeing MSFT running a registry if you follow me Greg |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:26) if it wasn't them it would be others... |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:27) omg is for calling the urdp a success |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:27) Wec an talk all the smack we want about MSFT but I have no provblem with them |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:27) who was that? |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:27) neither do i.. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:27) cohen |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:28) i have no prob with msft either |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:28) notice it was Mueller-Maguhn someone "elected" calling it the way it rteall is Not this BS |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:28) MSFT is forward thinking....and would not subject themselves to this BS... |
| <FranzBahadosingh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:28) MSFT is sticking to core competencies this year |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:28) Cohen: "UDRP is so successful that it's hard to review it." Huh? Did he say that? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:29) yes judith - i thought i was dreaming |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:29) had to pinch myself |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:29) What does that |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:29) mean? |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:30) means he's clueless |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:30) One Caveat....even though this is BS....I do think there does need to be some control over the DNS...WIth New Net type paradigm's we run amuck and no one wins.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:30) Gerg |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:31) If the idea of the White paper was followed with honesty yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:31) Greg, new.net bid is a result of this mess. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:31) James, are there any plans affot to make a public announcement regarding the timeframe for implementation of ML domains? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:31) Judith more press for you to release with that statement |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:31) Cohen and Hans are making idiots of themselves |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) Katoh-san is Big Business |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) timeframe? Given the recent development in the WG, it is hard to say |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) HA! successful? |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) yes...I agree...but think about it.....My take on new net is to drain the credit card account of people who will buy thousands of domains to resell... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) which recent development james? |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) See I don't think new net is separate from what is going on here.. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:32) That is circumstansdial but hard to prove |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) How would you curtail a major landrush...for the real TLD's |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) John is obviously saying the WG solution (ACE on Application) is not good enough |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) and you think it is? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) We the WG thinks it is ugly but it works |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) Most people have money don't kid yourself but in any event what does it matter when you have SUNRISE |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) John wants something more beautiful and elegant |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:33) but that will take time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:34) will registrants be getting value for their money with the ACE solution? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:34) Man he looks like he had a riught night out with Srtubbs |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:34) rough night with stubbs |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:34) BD: You brought up a good point earlier...If they follow the White Paper....then there wouldn't be a mess....IMHO |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:35) If we can agree on IDNA, we will get a solution in 6months. If we dont, we have to go back to the drawing board and expect a solution no faster than 1year |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:35) James, if the ML domains will only resolve part of the time, in some parts and not others... can they really be TLDs? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:35) the problem of delaying is that there will be company out here (including i-DNS.net) who will continue to do their business thus causing more confusion |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:35) Yes but also but what about the first time they went of course in regard to the white paper where was the checks and balances if you ask me the DoC needs to be held accountable just as much as ICANN |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:35) Is this the canadian rep Sotris? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:36) yes |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:36) I like him....he appears rational... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:36) Canada is a rational place |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:36) most of the time |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:36) sheayah |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:36) Note alos In my opinion out of the 5 elected directors only two are truly representative of the people since ICANN set up obstacles with their nomination process |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:37) They did all they could to stack the deck |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:37) Katoh-San was shoed in by Japanese corporations pushing their employees to register and vote for him. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:38) What happened to 30 days to address reconsideration of gtld applicants? |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:38) Was there a anti-american sentiment here today...especially earlier in the meeting?? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:39) I don't know but their is Anti-ICANN sentiment throughout the world and in the media |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:39) Katoh-san is actually doing quite a good job, irregardless how he is voted in |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:39) i agree |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:39) Shigeki Goto decided not to run against Katoh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:40) but for whom? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:40) I like the idea where the perosn who is voted in doesn't have anyone pulling their string! |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:40) I think Verisign is one reason...IMHO.....They are like imperialists...which causes resentment... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:40) Looking at it it is clear to anyone who notices that ICANN represents Verisign and not the Internet |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:40) and the tanks move on, huh Judith? |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:41) Companies like Image Online Design have a more global face.... |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:41) Anyone here remember "Rollerball?" |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:41) Their view of "Consensus" is dispiciple |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:42) James, according to the ACE solution, will Greek character domains be resolving in the timeframe of one year? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:42) Leah is the fight still going well? |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:42) what took you so long Ben ? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:42) What fight, Ben? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:42) Huh, the one for .biz what do you think LoL |
| <MichaelSchweisinger> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:42) Rollerball........ yes, let them fight!! |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:43) They just voted a resolution to be able to sign the TLD agreements and act on them without any more public comment even though not all the appendices are posted. they will split the net with colliders and it will encourage more new.nets |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:44) there will be amny more new.nets very soon. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:44) many |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:44) You still have Congress I hope! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:44) Leah - you remember the tanks. Time soon to recall and update the article, huh? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:44) James? greek character domains resolving in one year? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:45) yes/no? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:45) judith, yep |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:45) but considering the DoC has malfunctioned and not reigned in ICANN in regard to the white paper makes it scary |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:45) Ben, of course, but they will not act on anything. Just take information |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:45) Red Tape I guess |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:45) Yes, have to deal with DoC as in the petition for Rulemaking |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) james? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) you there? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) greek? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) Leah, she's doing warm-up exercises, but the fat lady isn't quite singing yet, right? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) greek, Cyrillic |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) Someone needs to throw a big fat lawsuit in ICANN's lap adn have it front of a judge that can dispense fairness. Just make sure it isn't in Virginia |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:46) Karl is absolutely right on this. |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:47) within a year? if it comes, all script will come... |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:47) the problem is i dont know when it will come |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:47) I see |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:47) thanks for your answers |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:47) abril, abril - let's do it before anyone has a chance to say no |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:47) np |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:48) How about some IOD biztld talk from these clowns |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:48) not going to happen ben |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:49) Afilias and Stubbs have won then, darn |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:49) BEn, they are not going to ack either one |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:49) Leah at least they didn't still 50k from you, thank god |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:49) steal, sorry |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:49) no, but cost us at least that much |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:49) in lost business |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:50) I bet, but it would have been double |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:50) Ben D: I am building a mail list... send me an email to sotiris@hermesnetwork.com and I will add you. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:50) not to mention attorney fees I suppose |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:50) i will later |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:50) plus a quarter million in development costs for registry/registrar |
| <KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:51) see you later |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:51) ICANN isn't an internet user protection organization - yet it imposes UDRP to "protect consumers." |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:52) crush consumers and small business |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:52) more like it |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:52) Unbelieveable in America that they think they can just go ahead and effectively steal your business, evern with real estate when the govt wants it they offer money there is a process you can go through for just compensation |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:52) We need to write the Dept of Commerce no matter if you think it will work or not.....The DOC needs to realize that people with domains are ready to conduct business...Such as mine (killer.web)... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:52) By Kendall, your the man |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:52) per congressman - ICANN was established to avoid APA |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:53) I think the Clinton (DOC) doesn't quite equal the Bush (DOC)..... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:53) Greg that is the thing we aren't even allowed the chance to compete it is worse than being in business against an anti-trust situatiuon |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:53) same serpent different skin |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:53) Need a huge campaign - doc |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:53) i disagree.... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:54) Would you rather have a chance to compete with .web in a anti-competitive enviromewnt or not be able to use .web at all Hypothetically speaking , you see my point I hope |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:54) I'm going to the gym to take my frustrations out on the dead weights and punching bags... I'll be back later for the after-lunch period. |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:54) actually i rather not use .web at all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:55) oh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:55) why is that James? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:55) Well James don't no one said you have to but you shouldn't be able to say I can't |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:55) i don think going down this anti-competitive path is a good idea...but that is me :P |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:56) isn't it blatantly obvious? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:56) yea..so creating more monopoly is not going to solve the problem right? :-) |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:56) What? what anti-competitive path? .web is a big answer to help spur competition as well as many other tlds |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:56) better to have two monopolies than one though... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:57) don't you think? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:57) let the customers choose |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:57) monopoly is monopoly... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:57) two heads are better than one |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:57) don't even go there and say Chris Ambler seeks a monopoloy you are misinformed the fact is hehas made plans to implement the RRP so your poiint is mute |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:57) so James, you support only one monopoly? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) no, i support none |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) I guess afilias is a monopoly to since 19 of them collectively control it I thought so |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) but i dont think creating more will solve the problem |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) no? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) i do |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) who should run the registry then YOU |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) okie :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) because if there are many monopolies, there won't be one |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) and you can only have a monopoly if you are the only player, not when there are 20 other registries |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) serious lay it out for us who should run things Verisign |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) semantics are fun, huh? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:58) there *are* already 200+ other registries |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) the issue is NSI is monopoly over .COM |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) yes, but there's only one monopoly |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) No there are 200 other Registrars big difference |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) big diff |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) huge |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) They have not established real competition at the registry level |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) they never will |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) i was projecting in the future with the 20+ gTLD registries |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) which was part of the white paper mind you |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) until the circle is broken |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 19:59) Just for the record....who in this virtual space is for approving Image Online Design's Reconsideration Request: Start now: |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) what we need is a non-profit, pay at operational level registry |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) YES |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) YES |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) not 6USD per name with 5.95 profit margin |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) yes |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) Yes, and for many reasons....Image Online Design deserves approval |
| <asvensson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) who in this virtual space has a stake (domain name owner etc.)...? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) I have many |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) tld operator |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) YES |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) what is worth doing is worth doing for mone. Mr Ambler spent five years of his life on this I certainly don't deny him a living why should you |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:00) so...creating more tlds dont solve the problem right? :-) NSI is still monopoly over .COM |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) so what |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) Let it be known, as this is public record, the people have spoken......What will the board in light of the peoples' request.. |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) How do you know are you psychic all knowing master of ther universe? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) .web would be pretty popular |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) i dont...Chris can continue..i dont object but i dont support..i guess u can say I am neutral |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) and could compete |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) tld operator, domain name holder |
| <asvensson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) (Then I am not very sure that this group is too representative...) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:01) my company holds over 300 domains |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:02) ICANN is supposed to be here for technical reasons not politcal ones who picvk and choose who they want in the game |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:02) if you use the internet - your representative - after all domain names are at the basis of internet navigation. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:02) many generics |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:02) There was representation on the November Public Comment Board....4000 comments pro Image Online Design... |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:03) I say let their be as many tlds as the public wants so be it but this is all about protectionism!!!!!!! for Verising and their cronies |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:03) The public included comments from around the world... |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:03) in the end, the BoD will ignore the community. They respond only to those who "back" them and that is not the community at large |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:03) technically, 13 DNS is going to be crazy with unlimited TLD |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:03) i disagree james |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:03) .COM has permeted the human consciousness planetwide... any further protectionism is now unwarranted... time to open up to real compeititon |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) explain James |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) according to technical ppl i've talked to, it is fairly simple to add TLDs to these 13 servers |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) I am not convience opertionally it is possible to stuff 10M names at root server |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) it is easy to add, it is harder to operarte and manage |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) it is not very difficult to add the lines of code |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) distribution, management |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) See Greg ICANN plays games with words they don't recgonize "consensus" from the public as the state they find their "consensus" from the supporting organizations and who malkes up the supporting organizations BIG BUSINESS, you scrub my balls I will scrub yours real simple |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) ah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) distributuin... management... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:04) no kidding |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:05) any idea how to distribute 1Gb zonefile around every few hours? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:05) 1Gb? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:05) not to mention at root level |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:05) You can add the code it 's called cut and paste |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:05) it is possible to stuff 10M names into DNS at root |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:05) it is possible to demostrate it work |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:06) it is possible to make it almost managable by throwing money at infrasturtucre |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:06) That is what kills me about Stubbs He is on the DNSO and him and his friends got nearly 50% of the new tlds why isn't this frowned on? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:06) James, there are 500 TLDs in some roots. No problems |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:06) try 10M |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) TLDs? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) yes |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) or more |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) and? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) james, there are only 14million >OM registrations!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) COM |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) DNS is not suppose to be flat...but i guess that is just what the engineer would say |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) how many TLDs are there? |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) 500 or so sotiris |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) nmind..i am speaking as a geek |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) if you put 14 million names in the dns at the tld level - it is not flat. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:07) no problem |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) i'm a geek too |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) anyone else here in the Audience? |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) would you say dot.com is flat? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) as an engineer, i am not convience that that a system designed to have hierarchy can handle flat name |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) I hope that members of Congres should they review some of these ICANN meetings also rad these archives , so they can get a sense of what reall is going on regardless of profanity LOL |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) yes..tt's why .COM is bad |
| <GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) I have to run....Best wish everyone..... |
| <urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) chris may be there JamesF |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) whats bad about .com? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) later GReg , killer.web |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) I disagree James |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) Ben, they don't - no time |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) well I know that BenEdelman is there... because I can see him... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:08) but i'm just a lowly Philosopher |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:09) :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:09) with a symbolic logic background |
| <urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:09) hehehe,, nope not anymore |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:09) so whats bad about .com? it works don't it? and it's not flat. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:09) .COM is quite robust |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:09) to be exact, it is not to say I dont think it canniot be done... i think we need Share Unicast first at root... |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:10) at 1M a piece of each gTLD servers, it better be *rofl* |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:10) now they're going to have less meetings! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:10) yes, no doubt! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:11) James, there's room for many more. |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:11) what's bad about .com well lets see... I'm an ICANN accredited registrar... and I have to pay $10,000US/2 years to NSI for new SRS software to register domain names... and $6/domain/year to register a domain name.... it's bad bad bad! with the new TLDs I will only have to be per domain... which will be $5.30 for .info and .biz I believe and $20 for .pro and $3.20 for .name I believe... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:11) not unlimited |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:11) and the other three are undecided ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:11) but many more |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:12) James - I don't think you know what your talking about - and i find it somewhat offensive that an i-dns rep would call .com flat - when in fact it is idns that introduced flat tld space into it's own root file. |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:12) *rofl* joe baptista speak |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) note, i am not i-dns rep. i do research in i-dns yes..i dont run the business |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) there are two james in here - perhaps more than just "james" would be appropriate when addressing one or the other |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) I vote for a meeting in Toronto, Canada |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) then i can bring you all to dinner at my mothers |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) yes i was confussed to MarciaLynn.... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) Moussaka for everyone |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) would you like me to provide URL's with supporting proof of this. You also lied to the general public. Remember I reviewed most of your zone files - you no longer provide access to your zone files - or do you? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) Moussaka. Good stuff. |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) joe, u been doing so anyway...the honest answer i can give u is..go ahead. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:13) I'd like to review your zone files james... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) just for interests sake |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) because i dont care...the company pay me to do research, not operation |
| <LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) joe, has new.net still closed theirs? |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) currently .com is somewhat... flat... although there is space there to extend the zone files in a 3rd dimension... |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) to accomidate multilingual domains... |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) sotiris, wish i can help you...the person you need to speak to is Patrick O'Brien of i-DNS.net. That is an area of i-DNS.net I am not involved |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:14) if u email me, i can put you in touch with him |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:15) send me your email at sotiris@hermesnetwork.com |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:15) jseng@i-dns.net |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:15) no - takes time to look it up. in any case - i-dns was the first root i noticed which used flat space to list dns resources - you even had A records for zones and cnames for zones in your files. By the way james - the most important question is - does idns provide it's root file via axfr or ftp anymore - or do you hide it these days - can you provide a resource. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:15) ok, thanks |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:15) joe, i am not sure...i am not involved in the operation |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:16) baptista - for gods sake... can you specify which James you're talking about? |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:16) no new.net offers their zone via axfr off two machines i think - the only roots that don't axfr is idns and irsc |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:16) if u email me, i can put you in touch for the right person |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:16) ok, I will |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:17) thanks |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:17) JamesSend - just have then give me notice at baptista@vrx.net of the location of the idns zone file. i now operate a root of roots which compiles all zone files in all roots and idns is one root who's zone file can't be found by me. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:18) (Joe?) baptista? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:19) is it joe/ |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:19) hmm..i believe that has been switch to aced.net ... have u tried to look for it? |
| <JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:20) anyhow, i will send u an email joe and put you in touch wif patrick |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:20) ok - thanks |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:20) hi gues -- does anyone happen to have a complete log from today's chat room available? |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:20) Good night all |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:21) gues = guys |
| <BenDover> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:21) I see we have been BentOver again |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:21) yes - it's joe baptista - i hope thats a good thing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:21) just clarification for an address card joe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:21) good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:21) (I think) |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:22) exactly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:22) I want to thank everyone for the pleasant discussion here in real-time |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:22) yes, ty too sotiris |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:22) see you back in the WG if it is still going |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:22) If you're ever in Toronto, send me an email and we'll have a drink or some Greek food |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:23) yes, i'll see those of you who are in the WG there... |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:23) I want lamb ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:23) no problem, i know just the place for succulent lamb kleftiko |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:23) mmmm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:23) oh yeah |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:23) what part of canada are you in sotiris? |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) mouth watering now ! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) we've got quite a Greektown here in Toronto |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) a lot of canadians visit here (myrtle beach) |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) people with laptops don't stand up =: |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) =P |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) lol jamesF |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:24) marcia, send me an email at sotiris@hermesnetwork.com and if i'm ever in town, i'll let you know |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) Will be interesting to see what Patric has to say about it |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) I'm in the Laptop section of the Latrobe Hall |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) i only goto toronto for sex - i guess i can break with tradition |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) sotiris northmyrtlebeach.net <--is mine, visit anytime |
| <JamesF-InAudience> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) if anyone needs Internet Hosting... NimbleHost.com - seeya guys!!!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) Is it over, or did I just lose the feed? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) ok |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) Now for a little musical interlude. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) it's over |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) over I think |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) Marcia -- you're in MB? LOL |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) lunch? or OVER? |
| <jesswest> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) meeging adjourned |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) i used to live in greek town |
| <Dassa> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) All over |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) Ahh, over. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:25) I want to thank ben Edelman and Rebecca Nesson for the wonderful job |
| <asvensson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) seconded! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) It's been a pleasure y'all. Keep the faith. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) gee, I missed something. Oh yeah, all the interesting parts. |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) down by the beach - more or less |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) it gets better all the time |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) yes sean, where are you? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) Thank you, Ben. |
| <SeanStallings> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) Carolina Beach :) |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) ;-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) where Joe? in TO? |
| <Dassa> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) Thanks to the Berkman team. Bye everyone. |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) ty ben & becca |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) yup - in TO - before I escaped to the wilderness |
| <MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) bye everyone :-) |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) Signing off, one more time......See you folks in a few months. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:26) no kidding? where now? |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:27) i'm just north of peterborough before lindsey |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:27) oh no!!! boondocks! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:27) good fishing though... |
| <KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) bye |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) had a friend in Lindsey Ontario |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) it's great stuff - interesting people - good fishing - of course the fish are tainted with various poisons - but our mayor is a treat - she gets arrested on a regular basis for driving drunk and killed her husband back in the seventies and now is a happy - but drunk lesbian |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) he died though |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) my home town :) |
| <RobertConnelly> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) In my opinion, the Chair should make his travel plans so that he may attend the full meeting of the Board, only a one day committment. BobC |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) Thanks for joining us, folks. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) hahahaha |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) Full archive should be available within the next couple hours. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:28) thanks again Ben and Rebecca |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:29) anyway - folks - have fun |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:29) perhaps we'll meet in Toronto in Novemebr |
| <baptista> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:29) you have my email - just touch base when you can. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:29) no prob! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 20:29) bye all! |
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