Real-Time Discussion Log - ICANN Public Forum - 3/12/01

Nickname - Message
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) hi ben
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) good tunes
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) benn over a year since I got to participate...
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) thanks
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:53) glad it synced up with my time
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:55) you even get a telstra account...
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:55) test pattern flashed up
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:57) There are some experiences that seem to set themselves apart from others as having 'seed' quality, crystalizing the evolution of all other patterns around it... May this meeting have that quality
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 15:57) good pics showing
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:02) urgen, were you using windows media feed?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:02) how is sound quality?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:02) were/are, that is.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) I am on windows, ya
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) sound is good
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) no pulse noise like yesterday
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:03) I can pull up Real too if you want
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:04) <<-california
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:04) 1PM here
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:05) did you hear a pulse yesterday afternoon (au time)?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:05) ya
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:06) I msged you
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:06) but it did go away
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) we really thought we fixed that audio problem yesteday morning (au time)
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) that is, the problem shouldn't have affected the afternoon nc feed
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) just the morning ga webcast
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) no?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) we have also added an audio compressor to reduce the dynamic range
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) ==> more consistent volume levels
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:07) which should be an improvement.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) hmm, well, ok.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) in the future, email will get my attention better than msg
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) pops up on my "main" comm computer, makes a ding noise.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) msg doesn't do that.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:08) tks
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) secondary Real is up
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) primary real said no file
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) I'll try again
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:09) website still says archives avail. when will it go to meeting in progress
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:10) pnm://203.31.198.201/live/icann-031201.rm not available
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:11) hehe
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:11) re
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:12) woof
<anon233> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:13) ok, i'm anon233 for the 5th time - on java - any idea how to identify myself properly?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) Ben, I'm getting requested file not found in real - primary feed
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) me too Leah
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) anon233 try: /nick newnickname
<Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) ok. got it
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) oh
<Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:14) thanks
<Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) no signup except advance for these meetings?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) should be
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) :-)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) they are scrambling I think
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:15) just went up
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:16) front doors are open now
<Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:16) seems to rather defeat the purpose of keeping remote participant records
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:17) hmn.. I'm going to toss vid over to my TV
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:17) might have to reboot
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:20) Afternoon. Ben, why am I getting that the Primary RealMedia 56k link doesn't work?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) Judith, I'm not sure how you joined the webcast this morning.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) But the webcast isn't open as yet.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) You'll notice that we haven't linked it in from
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) as yet.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:22) That's because we're still doing final tunining on the primary digitizer.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) Anyone in this forum at this time
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) has failed to sign in properly.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) will not be included in the archive of remote participants for today
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) and most likely has a nonstandard name for identification in this discussion.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) and then log in via that form.
<Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) thanks for clarifying that Ben... did wonder....
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:23) Your compliance with the intended system will provide benefits both to you and to us!
<Andrew_Moulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:24) bbl
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:24) Ben, I logged in via the link you emailed, but will long in again, no problem.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:25) K, Ben, I've logged in via the web form, but still cannot get the primary feed
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:26) k, in now
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:26) kewl it works
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:27) My God, who chose that music? Checking through my emails, I see I missed a lot last night.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:27) I have multi-desktop and each desktop can display on both my TV and the monitor at the same time
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:27) oh comeon.. super tunes! :-)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:28) did I miss ben asking ppl to relog in?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) hi Dassa
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) If you didn't log in at all, but rather bypassed the login page at /icann/melbourne/realtime , then you "should" relogin.
<Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) Hello
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) You can see whether or not you logged in via
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) I did yesterday...
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/viewremoteparticipants.asp
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:34) you need to log in again each day, please.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) ok
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) ok
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) I willz
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) :-)
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) In short, don't bookmark the broadcast page, or we won't have a record of you joining the meeting each day.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) To recap: If you're listed on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/viewremoteparticipants.asp , you're in good shape.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:35) If not, please go to http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime and sign in.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:36) ok,
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) I sure wish I could do what you do benz... this is so exciting to find a way to fit tech into how people think
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) Ben, the entirety of yesterday's session is audio/video archived, right?
<Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) mmm...can't seem to use the java client to get in here and the scribe window at the same time
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) yep I saw the archive
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:37) Dass, its better to use IRC
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) Ben... when can we submit comments? Do we have to wait till the meeting starts?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) I'm' on mIRC and it rocks!
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) and then just the stream by itself
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:38) ok, ben,,, change the official topic line here please.........
<Dassa> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:39) What is the server address?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) bcis.law.harvard.edu
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) bcis.law.harvard.edu, port 6667, group #ICANN-chat)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) minus the ")" of course... :)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) and you can get the scribe on #Scribe
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:40) greetings all
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) re Andrew
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) hi
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) howdy
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:41) not sure whether it's me at 12.42am or realplayer flakey, but i sense this is not going to be easy at this particular "client end" ;-)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:43) Does anyone know if Milton Meuller is in attendance today?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) I don't know where the live attendance record is
<tecks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) test
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) remote one is: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/viewremoteparticipants.asp
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) how about physical attendance?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) go Vint!!
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:44) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/physpart.html
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:45) only preregs
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:45) not day-by-day
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:45) don't see milton
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:46) Karl is the man !!!!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:47) he admits it freely!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) Louis Touton... "director of evil affairs"
<tecks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) Sims is now staff?
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) moot point
<MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) is the video gonna get it together?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) they have always been... they aren't board members though
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:48) ben - very poor audio
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) restart your stream Gene
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) poor in media player or real?
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) real
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) others having audio problems?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) no
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) I have some echo
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) in media player
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) Mine is fine
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) muffled - echo
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) fine
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) which feed specifically?
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) i'll try restart
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:49) 56k real
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) I associate echo with mouth distance to microphone
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) too far away picks up echo
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) feed restart worked - thanks ben
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:50) At Large, new registry contracts, non-icann tlds "all delayed to next meeting" - that's todays meeting?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:51) ICANN plan B: save everything to the "next meeting"
<Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:52) 47 x 0K certainly helps
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:52) Seriously... if they have another 50 gTLD applictions they would have another 2 million!
<MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:52) and how did icann raise that money?
<MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) much of it from new TLD applicants
<MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) that got very poor consideration
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) audio just improved 100%
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:53) he's talking about the CC tlds
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:55) BEN: Why do the real-time comments not show up?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:56) Kendall, I see many comments listed at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:56) What's the problem?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:56) Specifically?
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) Ben: The link goes to your URL + "&classification=CEO+Report", so nothing shows.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) Sorry... I was seeing a blank page from earlier. I restarted by browser and I can see them now.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) There are two links:
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) One says "current"
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:57) Please disregard my duplicate submissions
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) and one says "substantive" (implicitly "complete == everything from today")
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) The "current" link shows only comments with a classification equal to the current meeting classification.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) Keep in mind that you need to refresh your broadcast page
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) Fine, thanks!
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:58) or use the link in "How to Update" section.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 16:59) The system works, folks, to the best of my knowledge!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:02) Does anyone know if Murai is referring indirectly to non-ICANN root servers?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:03) :-) just to the standard itself?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:03) Jun Murai's root server presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/murai-rssac.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda of this meeting.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:06) hello again everybody :-)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:06) hi
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hi ML.
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hello Marcia
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) hi
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hi Marcia
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) hi to all
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hello Marc
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Yes Hans.. what about IOD?
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:07) Hi Marc
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:09) What about the fact that ICANN included false information in the initial consideration?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:10) If rational is the operative word ...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:10) I don't think the process was fair at all! It was completely arbitrary
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:10) what about "I don't like the sound of .iii" ?
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:11) this is nonsense; cannot reconsider in event of board "arguably" not giving facts appropriate weight... that's a catch all disclaimer
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:12) gak, my vid just froze
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:12) Same here
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:12) Well it certainly appears abitrary..
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:13) put that in your basket!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:13) "team of experts" = Hans, Louis, Joe Sims
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:14) surprise surprise
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:14) You getting anything yet urgen? Mine is still out
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:14) If you are having trouble with the video, please try exiting it and opening it again. If you continue to have difficulty with a particular video feed, please let us know which one and use one of the backup feeds instead.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) Real Player is working: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=203.31.198.201&dir=live&file=icann-031201
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) Rebecca, I have dropped to audio.. as it seems to want to rebuffer continually and never recovers from that
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) I just lost audio.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) I've tried a restart on media player twice
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) Using media player backup, now okay again.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:15) I have a question... why doesn't Hans step down down like he should have in November?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:16) I understand that some of you are having video problems.
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:16) well, you heard Vint refer to the "permanence" of Stuart Lynn's tenure at the start!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) mine is working RealVideo Feed: Primary (56k+)
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) As Becca said, it's best to be specific in your problem reports -- say which feed ("RealAudio Primary" is a good kind of a description to give -- no need for the full URL)
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) as well as a specification of the problem ("perpetual buffering" or "video freeze while audio continues" or "disconnected entirely")
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:17) But in general most problems are likely to be individual-specific -- reflecting routing problems, client OS problems, etc.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) Obviously it's hard to know that at times -- hard to tell whether the problem is just you, or everyone,.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) And of course we want to know immediately if it's a problem that affects everyone.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) I stopped/started it, its working now.
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) It is again very good for me (Netherlands): Primary feed.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) Yes, Judith, that is an excellent technique. Probably the best way to proceed, in general, to press Stop, then Start.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:18) hahahaha
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:19) sorry, the "open & transparent" stuck me as particularly funny
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:19) ICANN repeats this again and again.. but I have yet to see them take public opinion seriously
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:20) there is no mechanism for it
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:20) what urgen? how about MAL, public forums, and elected representatives?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:21) those just seem to float right through.. right?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:21) where does it get sticky?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:21) When the full ICANN board is elected (like they were supposed to be from the start)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:24) Karl is my hero.
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:24) "staff support" - euphemism of the day
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:25) Cerf's lost it.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:25) :-))
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:25) hey Tom
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) hola.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) "under financed" ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) They want to get support for pressure on ccTLD's. I think they're barking up the wrong tree.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:26) Couple million short of having a house and a boat in the Bahamas
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:27) Sims is underfinanced, come on!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:27) he doesn't own enough VeriSign stock yet...
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:27) :)
<AndrewMoulden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:28) Karl's question was about underuse of SOs, answers about more staff...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:28) The CC tlds again... trying to get money and bring everyon into the fold.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:29) Paul Twomey's report of the GAC Communique is posted at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/twomey-GAC.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda for this meeting.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:29) this is type of nonsense that leaves no time for "public comments"
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) that's what they want
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) they all yuck it up and make jokes...and at the end.. "oops no time for public comments"
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) public forum starts at 2:45 their time
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:30) hlo Gene
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:31) ...got bumped
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:32) welcome NicR
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:32) hello
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:34) How do you folks read the GAC doc: Is it "okay, governments would have liked to have a larger (3-party role), but interim 2-party is okay"?
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:34) is there anyone on the irc channel who is AT the meeting?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:35) haven't heard of any yet
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:35) ben/rebecca - do you remember Tom Cappelli from Diebold, and have you seen him there yet?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:36) (ya other than volunteer staff, I meant)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:36) hlo MC
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:37) what about fair use? I would like the domain "icann.sucks"
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:38) wo vint...
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:39) kinda like new.net''s rerouting
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:39) that's what he's hinting
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:39) what happened to the scribe's comments for Auerbach?
<MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) they got cut off
<MmmCow> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) figures
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) Someone needs to make sure that this comment gets entered into the official record
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) welcome CPruitt
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) ha ha someone had to reboot windows....
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) BEN: Who can we write to to request correction in the official scribe's notes?
<CedarPruitt> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:40) Thanks.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:41) ben said he hears emails better than messages or publics
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:42) Yea Karl!
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:42) they pop up on his screen then
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) Nice Statement and how true
<Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) I'm get a lot of "rebuffering" in real. Is it my connection?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) kendall, corrections to scribe's notes should be made according to the procedure at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/scribefaq
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) i am too bret
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:43) The real server is only serving up 6/7kb persecond
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:44) Way worse than yesterday Ben
<Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:45) I've had Jonathan Cohen frozen on my screen for about four minutes.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:46) secondary mediaplayer is doing ok
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) david, which realserver is that
<RickReynolds> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) 34kps just north of Kansas City Mo. USA
<RickReynolds> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) Real
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:47) Good Statement for, Abril
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:48) I will have to reconnect.. I am running Real Player 8, just moving 8+ to my current location
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:49) hi ray
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:50) hello Gene, everyone
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:50) hi Ray
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:53) welcome depento
<DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:53) (for Kendal) anything about dot web or new.net yet?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) Hans recommended to the board that IOD be reconsidered
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) NOT BE
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) sorry
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:54) your kidding
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:55) "community" = WIPO. Outside that neighborhood, you're on the wrong side of the tracks.
<DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:55) what was the answer
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:56) I didn't see IOD reconsidered yet
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:56) Hans: " Asks ICANN to remove from its web site its evaluation of the IO Design application. Recommend taking no action evaluations were made public as part of ICANNs policy of openness and transparency. Contrary to ICANN process to delete staff evaluation from web site."
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:56) Nope community on this are those with Trademarks or whom can clearly argue common-law (Famous names)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:57) They were shut down within the first 30 minutes.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:57) OK. WIPO, and the rich & famous.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:57) Your saying Hnas wants to wipe away the record of the Staff report for all reports or just IOD's?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) But -- Fockler: "This is public forum. Tomorrow we will further discuss the reconsideration process."
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) NicR: other way round
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) NicR: ICANN will not wipe away any records (that was the request)
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) I don't follow please explain Thanks
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:58) oh I see thanks
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) But Hans wanted to?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) yes
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) He is a boardsquatter, the nerve
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) No, Hans recommends not to wipe the records. Request: http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration/floum-request-13nov00.txt
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 17:59) Recommended response: http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration/rc00-7.htm
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) I can't see how the reconsideratiuon committee could ever be a fair process when it is well known thatHans is biased against IOD
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) yes.. he even made a "boardsquatter" joke and everyone laughed!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) hi pilot6
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:00) What was the name of Karl's cat? :)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) RyeKrisp
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) Hello Kendall.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) Your Kidding That is terrible, it really isn't funny , such contempt
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:01) Thx, urgen
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:02) It is 99.9% likely that Hans will turn down IOD
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:02) They need an outsite review otherwise it makes no sense to have the same people who turned you down review everything is silly
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) brb
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) Folks, I regret that improving realserver connectivity for everyone requires me to temporarily disconnect the primary feed.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) OK. Tell us when it is back up please.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) If you're connected to that feed, as some 32 of you are at the moment, you'll be disconnected momentarily, then will be able to reconnect by pressing Play.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:04) Of course, Keith.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:05) Done.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:05) Thanks
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) Now you'll be getting 20kbps, not 34kbps, but we can support more of you, with better reliability, on the available bandwidth.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) 20kbps is "enough" for talking heads, in our experience.
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) Sure, even though your choice of music suffers a bit... ;)
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:06) It;s amazingly good from California at 20k
<Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:07) Where did this music come from?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:07) :-)) yer not suppose to ask
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:08) (Now's the time to push the "Visualizations" button)
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:08) (if you're on RealPlayer, that is)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:09) ha ha ha,, you asked for it
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:13) Different to yesterday at any rate :)
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:13) Variety is the spice of life as they say
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:14) I've never heard latinamerican opera before...
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:14) regional diversity concerns?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:18) re
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:18) i'm back... hi tom
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) wow... you gotta love this music ;)
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) mmm...here is a suggestion, maybe during these breaks they could have a roving reporter going around and listening in on some of the conversations so they can broadcast over the feed :)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) yes
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:20) and at least introduce us
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:21) how about THE roving_reporter (Ted Byfeld from www.tbtf.com/roving_reporter)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:21) :-)) hehehe
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:22) Why are they having more than the 15 minutes too. Getting ahead of schedule doesn't mean you take longer breaks :( Means you try to fit in more other business.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:22) should mean that we hear more public comments!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:23) Yesterday the NC meeting was incredible. At the end: "my apologies we don't have time for public comments" oops!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:23) drag Hans away from the bar...
<RobertConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:26) Dear Ben: I don't see a thing or hear a thing, though I'm signed on just the way I was yesterday. Regards, BobC
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:26) Thanks for nothing Loius Touton
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:26) yeah!!!
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:27) Big round of thanks to the webcasters!
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:27) it should be up Robert
<RobertConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:28) Now I can see some scribe's notes, for the first time, BobC
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:29) how much did it cost?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:30) more jokes from the board = less public comment time
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:31) and the heart of our bottoms
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:32) longer speech = less public comments
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) "the arguments from limited knowledge" - his view of public comments?
<RobertConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) I can now hear on my older machine using Netscape and Real Video. This machine is using IE and Windows Media. Back again soon. BobC
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) ML, that's typically been his position.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) maybe they are suing them for a reason!
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:34) yes
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:35) and decsions are made by staff too
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:36) does anyone really care about his speech? I'd rather have longer public comment time! This is nothing but ICANN stroking themselves
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:36) HUMITLITY????
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) Post his speech on the website... we'll read it later
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) and I want to thank RyeKrisp. without which we would have had no cat to question the validity of rightful naming
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) I'd like to thank god and my producer and the academy
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) see ya
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:37) and online too vint..
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) I hope Chris Ambler gets a chance to ask questions!
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) :-)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) go chris
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:38) what about online questions! i have 2 waiting to be asked!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:39) BEN: is the board going to take online questions?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:41) yes, kendall. have made vint aware that comments areready.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:43) who is this guy? Does anyone know?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:43) www.ncdnhc.org
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:43) Andrew Shen is from EPIC
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:44) Does Cerf ask other committees for a vote count?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:45) any reason to turn down an individual's constituency is a good one
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:46) how does public safety involve privacy issues for domain names?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) he's talking about the IP rights vs individuals
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) chris!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) it justifies VeriSign's decsion to sell whois data
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:47) <<-- in SLO
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:48) Chris - are you going to ask the board any questions (ie: Han's statements on Reconsideration?)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:48) I'm open to suggestion on what question I might ask (for which I don't already have an answer)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) Verisign/NSI is asking for a combined registry/Registrar Agreement. In this respect, what is the difference between the Verisign/NSI Agreement and the Image Online Design application which was rejected in November 2000?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) I already have an answer to that...
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) 1. How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) ...
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) anon: very carefully.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:49) hello chris :-)
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) The correct answer is: Open the refrigerator, put in the giraffe and close the door.
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) Man when will people realise DNS IS NOT A Business DIRECTORY!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) The answer is that the Verisign agreement continues to postulate a separation between registry and registrar, and besides, the board would then say (if anything) that it wasn't really an issue in our application, etc.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:50) Yet Louis certainly had a problem with it..
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) awwww ICANN is overloaded
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) But the response will be that it wasn't important, and had no bearing in the final decision. You may feel free to apply that answer to any singular point that you care to bring up. Get my drift?
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) 2. How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:51) anon: tell him to chase the giraffe.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:52) Doesn't the White Paper "Statement of Policy" prevent a combined registry/registrar?
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:52) Wrong Answer: Open the refrigerator, put in the elephant and close the refrigerator.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:53) Kendall, actually, no, surprisingly. The green paper postulated it as a likely necessity, but the white paper noted that there was a lack of clear consensus, and so left the topic open. After yesterday's meeting, I re-read both the green and white papers for just that reason.
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:53) Correct Answer: Open the refrigerator, take out the giraffe, put in the elephant and close the door.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) Today, on my way to the convention centre, I purchased an "Aero" chocolate bar.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) was it good?
<DavidWilkins> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) anon269.. Your forget you need an ICANN policy, and have it approved by staff first :-))
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:54) what is that chris?
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) 3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference. All the animals attend except one. Which animal does not attend?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) what does this have to do with anything anon269?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) It's a chocolate bar with bubbles in it (whipped chocolate). "Aero" is also, however, one of the new TLDs, no? "Aero" is a registered trademark of the Nestle corporation. QED.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:55) Comment/QUESTION: Arguably DNS was never an identity system, but a naming system. The very existence of global gTLD's implies that. Had there been only ccTLD's, including a US one, identities and names could work together, within national borders.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) yes, understood
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) Correct Answer: The Elephant. The Elephant is in the refrigerator.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) VeriSign actually runs the .us CCTLD now
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:56) Keith, what about International corporations, organizations or treaty orgs?
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:57) 4. There is a river you must cross. But it is inhabited by crocodiles. How do you manage it?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:57) You have a .int just for them. The key is to subsume identity within a tld, and not have super-TLD's
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:57) bot?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) good idea in theory Keith... but the others already exist and you can't retroactively change the rules
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Keith, it would have been a good idea, 10 years ago. Unfortunately, it's much too late to put the genie back in the bottle.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Agrred (hence RealNames :-) )
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Correct Answer: You swim across. All the Crocodiles are attending the Animal Meeting.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:58) Scribe notes have frozen ...?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) (never mind)
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) According to Andersen Consulting Worldwide, around 90% of the professionals they tested got all questions wrong.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) Nice plug, there, Keith :-)
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) scribe's notes have not frozen. just a long comment there.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) Unintentional
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 18:59) That is the problem with the NSI / Verisign agreement Keith... you can't retroactively change the .org registry!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:00) I'm late. Anything interesting going on at the conference?
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:00) But many preschoolers get all answers correct.
<anon269> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:01) Conclusion, give all the new TLDs to preschoolers, they will make them work before ICANN does.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:01) thanks for taking remote comments there Vint. I'm glad you recognize our existance.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) Kendall, the remote comments are being held until the comment periods on the topics relevant to the comments. There is a remote comment period that will include comments on the Versign agreements later in the day.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) thank you Rebecca
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) Hi Greg.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) Hey tom...
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:04) The Names Council business plan that Phillip Sheppard is currently presenting is linked off the agenda of this meeing.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) I was suprised by the VRSN/ICANN agreement but I kinda agree that with TUCOWS and Register.com going so well there really is competition now. Actually I always thought it was problematical trying to introduce competition whilst building a naming system. Success in goal A probably is inconsistent with excelling at goal B.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) I just get frustrated because the board doesn't often recognize those of us in "cyberspace".
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) hi all
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) hi Sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:05) have i missed much?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) I get frustrated because the board does recognize decency, consistency and fairness.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) any fights?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) But that's just me being silly again.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) not really... Karl had some good comments
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) One thing that has changed thought is Karl....
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) Karl is a gem.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:06) He mentioned his cat RyeKrisp
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) Karl is an atlarge director... one of the little people
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) wb sotiris :-)
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) My opinion is split on Vint, though I think at the end of the day, I respect him.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) ha! did the cat make the scribe list?
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) Interesting...there wasn't more public comments??? That is unusual...
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) Sotiris: Unfortunately not
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:07) did they take any questions from remote participants?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) he challenged the GAC guy and the IP people on intellectual property rights and fair use
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) good for karl!
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) There were no remote comments related to the discussion that had occurred up to that point.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) no... no remote comments yet
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) Chris, are you in the conference room?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:08) Had there been such comments, we would have read them.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) I sent one in about the Reconsideration Request (Image Online Design)
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) Ben, your organization covers more than ICANN conferences, correct?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) Greg, did they post your request?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) I dont recall seeing it.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) Go Karl!
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) appears they did not..
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) go karl !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) yes Karl!!!1
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:09) yes!!!!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) I don't believe it either.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) Tom, we do do some webcasts of other events, primarily those organized by the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School.
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) Greg: It's on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) And a few other events on the side.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) good..
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) GO KARL GO
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) lol
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:10) Karl A. for ICANN chair!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) Sorry, had to divert my attention for a moment. Yes, I'm here in Melbourne.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) the timing!!???
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) The recommendations represent capture, not the discussions that actually took place
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) exactly gene
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:11) Vint tells Karl that he has to wait until the public comment period! Karl is a BOARD member!
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) that was sad
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) of course... Vint is one of the appointed lot/
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) I'd like to hear Vint tell Louis Touton to wait until the public comments period
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) vint is not on the side of fairness.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) He actually told Karl that?! I stepped away and missed that.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) let's not kid ourselves
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) I missed that - in reference to what did Vint say that to Karl?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) he suggested it Tom
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) Talk about blatant dismissal.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) Vint was referring to the NC's other method of receiving public comments, i.e. through the web, I think.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) Not the public comment period at the mic later today.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:12) in reference to the divergence between the RTF report and the actual discussions in the wg review
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) karl made the point and vint told him to wait
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Deferred to the topic of public comment period? Is such a topic on the agenda?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) till public comment
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) What a shame.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Vint disappoints me sometimes.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) open mic period i believe he was referring to
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Amadeo really put on the pounds!!! good living, I guess.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:13) Not always
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) are the formerly recused directors going to recuse themselves again during contract issues?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) a lot less hair too
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) Is the general feeling that the second round will occur at the end of 2001?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) It reminds me of the NC cutting off YJ Park yesterday. Everytime she tried to tell the truth they cut her off mid-sentence.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) yes, exactly
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) leah, very good question.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) Leah, ask that question in the public comments. At least get it on record.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:14) there's an agenda... but it's not public knowledge
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:15) Tom: Vint hints at six months of proof of concept and then they will look again
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:15) Dear lord, what is the actual MAIN topic at this conference? I have been paying half attention, but I get a general sense that it is all vague discussion about vague topics.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:15) I would rather post a different question. Perhaps someone else could post that one?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) Vint said 6 months at least, probably longer. But it's at least 6 months until some are up - probably longer for them all... My guess is 18 months, minimum.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) Ray, well, I thought that the new TLDs would be live in the spring or summer. At this rate, we are looking at late 2001 / early 2002.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) But, he suggested that this six months would start *after* the contracts were all signed
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) It's a shame that ICANN can't keep to a schedule.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) Namely, their own.
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:16) I would defer to Chris' judgement....
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:17) 18 months before the initiation of the next application, chris? Hmm..longer than I expected.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:17) next year, mid-summer, if at all
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) How much $ you think they'll charge for the second round of TLDs?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) After the initiation of the second application period, the application consideration process, and ultimate implementation can make this thing go on quite long.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) in fact, i'm not sure they're not setting ICANN up for a fall.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) $50,000
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) ... damned shame ...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:18) Chris, this means another 50k for IOD, eh?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) damn, that was pretty unfair
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) perhaps not as long as it's still under reconsideration tom
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) Wilfred Wolber's presentation on the status of the ASO is available online at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/aso-update-010312.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda for this meeting.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) Marcia, I am not hopeful where ICANN is concerned.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) why stop when you have a good thing going? the budget report stated that ICANN had 2 mil in surplus
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:19) Now that ICANN has indicated by its actions that collisions with existing TLDs in the name space are acceptable, what do you plan to do regarding the collisions that you are about to create and what do you suggest for regarding those who have acted on that lead and others who will surely follow?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) Leah, I am willing to believe that ICANN doesnt deem it acceptable.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) That's the question I want to post
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) post it
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) But they dont want to seem as though they can be intimidated or held hostage.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) please
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) They have paved the way though
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) To ICANN these are considered "rTLDs" - renegade Top Level Domains
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) the DNS is the DNS. Either you do or you don't
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) somebody on the board needs to answer that question leah
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:20) they are in the DNS regardless
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) they will have no problem admitting .travel. imo when they feel it is time to do so
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) You cannot ignore facts. FACT: there is one DNS
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) Jon Zittrain wrote an interesting report he presented to Congress in 98... look for Son of ICANN once they manage to kill ICANN by the end of this year... These people are patys.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) I agree Leah... and by not addressing this issue ICANN is breaking their mandate to maintain stability
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) .aero is a foolish TLD, when they could have approved .travel.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) FACT: You can have only one of a kind in each layer of hte DNS
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:21) patsys
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) Personally, I also like .museum. I think there is a place for not only that TLD, but that category of TLD.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) just like oswald
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) There are approx 500 TLDs.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) .museum is a joke
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) it will fail
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) But .aero and .coop....my goodness.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) Some are silly, some good, some will never go anywhere...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) sortis, it is highly specialized.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) the market will decide...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) yes, and it will fail
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) You are thinking as a developer and domain registrant.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) stability code word for capture. open & transparent code for who asked you get lost.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) However, it should not matter. The market will decide which is good for them
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) the market needs to decide whether we keep them or get rid of them
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:22) precisely, leah
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) how many museums are there in the world?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) 100,000?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) 200?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) doesn't matter Sotiris.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) how many?
<anon280> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) WAX.MUSEUM ?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) focus!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) If I represented a museum, I would want my field to have a TLD. It is very unique.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) not that easy
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:23) What matters is if there were the 500 TLDs available to all, then the ample choice would suffice
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Then again, I am in academia and the arts, so I see it differently than those who are not.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) why can't they have a domain? it's no worse that .sucks
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Tom, it is that easy
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Leah, it matters if they are for profit and plan to charge $4.50 each.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) why, ray?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Leah, I wish ARNI had applied to the main root with their .biz.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) Let's say that each TLD is run by different persons...
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:24) for profits are generally designed to produce a profit
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) so? They make a profit. Is that bad?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) provide a service - make a profit
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) 200 x $4.50 is going to get it done
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) free market
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) The question is....Can NSI legally be a part of another conglomeration like Afilias, and get ANOTHER piece of the pie in the next rollout?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) ICANN should include all TLDs as other roots do
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:25) Given all of this it seems to me that what Bill Gross is doing with new.net is great. As many TLD's as anybody wants but not as an alternative root, rather as a navigation or aliasing layer on top of DNS.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) In the next application period, that is.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) Keith, it IS an alternative root
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) they have a rootzone and TLD servers
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) new.net is the death knell of ICANN
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) If enough people support it... the A-Root will not be as important
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) @home resolves the domains
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) My only problem with Gross is his colliders. Too bad he didn't come out clean.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:26) they simply decided to load 20 tlds, 18 of which are colliders with existing TLDS
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Leah, what is ARNI Dot BizTLD going to do with regard to the new .biz?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) I thought it was actuall new.net with some clever software, so www.site.xxx is actually www.site.xxx.new.net (not an alternative root).
<JaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Dear Colleagues: I'm hearing now using Jane's PC. I don't have video yet or scribbe notes, but there's a window for them. This machine has only a 133 MHz Inel. Regards, Bob Connelly (notwithstanding it is attributed to Jane:-)
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Tom - continue
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) Keith, no. It's a rootzone
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) What is the technical fallout if an ISP can pull up both...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:27) which will it pull up
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Tom, an ISP would have to have two sets of servers. Can't do both on one
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) the new.net ... I know someone who did this
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) wb Chris.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Tom - it will pull up whichever one it points to
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) i see.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) there is still no email resolution for new.net tlds, though
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Leah: did they tell you that. I was told different?
<JaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:28) Ahaa, I can now see some scribe notes:-) BobC
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) I know someone who had name.space DNS settings and the new.net plugin. in the choice between 2 colliders it went to new.net
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) yes,
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) It also appears to depend on who your ISP is.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) sotiris, both sender and recipient would have to have capability of resolving the same root
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) was it a broadband connection?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:29) Leah, did ARNI's .biz and IOD's .web open doors at the same time?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) Which ones are the colliders?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) Kendall, because the plug in uses a browser skin, I think
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) Leah, i understand this, and i have a feeling that this will be resolved in the next 6 months
<JaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) FWIW, it's snowing in Tokyo, BobC
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:30) particularly since they have already established resolution through @home (16 million subscribers)
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) Tom, No, but it's a bit more complex than that. ARNI took management of .BIZ last year, but it was first created in 1995 by another entity.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) they were .shop names I think Keith... I'd have to check my mail
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) I see.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) RealNames could offer resolution through the browser - 120m users.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) realnames is search engine based...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) they buy search returns
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) do you work for RealNames keith?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:31) No, it's embedded in the IE browser natively.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) of course, they won't admit it
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) browser skin can be developed by anyone. People have to load it
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) I'm the CEO. Working from home and thinking out of the box :-)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) No, it was announced, at least previously - ICB reported on it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) so?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) as if you'll tell us publicly.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:32) realnames will not take off.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) it's already starting to fade
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) RealNames should sign up with Bill Gross from New.Net
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) that won't help them
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) plus realnames refuses what i consider valid requests
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) Don't want to get into a debate Sotiris but it has already taken off. More than 500k customers and 120m resolutions a month.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:33) search engine payoffs
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) Does RealNames still charge extra if you get many hits?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) On my honor, not true. more that 75% resolutions from Microsoft.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) realnames also sold generic search terms, and claims they don't do that.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) oops.
<anon280> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) Has ICANN talked about the new .COM servers for IPv6 and what people will be charged for service in those ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) sorry keith, i know better
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:34) I guess you don't likee us Sotiris. No problem :-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) if you were a public company, i would have sued you
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) long ago
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) Marc: A Keyword is $50 a year for 50,000 resolutions. Only 2% of customers get more than that.
<Bret> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) I'm experiencing many audio drops. Anyone else?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) no.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:35) Yep
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) I am only listening to the audio.
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Still, if it really works, you pay extra
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) no
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) no
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Not bothering with the video.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) try real audio...better...then windows media..
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) yep.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) wtf?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Greg, still fighting the good fight?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Marc: That's true, but in a way isn't that fairer. The big guys subsidise the little guys.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Oh, yeah
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) ; )
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) Good.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:36) realnames is an elaborate search engine sell-out scam... false returns on searches... paid results.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) Sen Daschle...has gotten an ear full from me in recent weeks..
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) But the Real small guys cannot really afford Real Names
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) One needs more than one Real Name, right?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) good....is he genuinely listening?
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) Pindar Wong's presentation on the At Large Study Committee Budget is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/wong-atlargebudget.html>. It is also linked off the agenda for this meeting.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) Or just being polite?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) MArc: really, explain. $50 doesn't seem exhorbitant.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) We shall see..
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) realnames will drop away
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:37) watch
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) Rebecca, that URL is broken.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) Anyone knows how long the @ large study will take?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) What happened to the scribe notes?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) it's supposed to take 1 year
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) actually it was supposed to take 2 years...
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) Does one real name work? Or does one need more?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:38) If I understand it correctly.. during the time that they are doing the study we have absolutely NO chance of electing the remaining 4 board members
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Has anything postive happened this weekend, or am I getting the impression, these directors are here in Melbourne to rehash stuff...
<RodneyJoffe> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Keith, if you have a sec could you drop an email to me at raj@daqus.com?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) which is illegall kendall
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) this has to be one of the more boring meetings i've ever witnessed .. how sad
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Marc; Some have one some have more. Panasonic has 10,000 - one for each SKU.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) It's nonsense, Greg.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) scribe?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) They should be pusing like mad to get those TLDs online, and to get the next application process moving.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) Keith: how did amazon end up with a generic realname?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:39) among others
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) To alleviate complaints, doubts, suspicions and above all.....continued embarrassment.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) Branded generics are OK. It's all about user expectation.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) yeah right!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) not what your company was saying 12 months ago!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) what a crock!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:40) I actively work against your company.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) well i was turned down for northmyrtlebeach ... when other cities informative websites were allowed their cities names
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) know this
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) realnames is a scam
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) Sotiris, let's agree to disagree. Others might not find this interesting.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) ok guys take it offline
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) it's search engine based, and they buy results
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:41) ok
<DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) anyone know when they are going to talk to about the flawed process awarding the tlds back in the calif meeting??
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) never?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) why would they admit it?
<DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) i thought that was what this round was about
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) I'm interested in this @ large study... I am angry that the 4 board members dont get elected till AFTER the study is over.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:42) brb
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:43) there is grounds for suing ICANN on this wise kendall, i have refrained to date because i was hoping to see some improvement...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:43) That would be like the US President not being seated until after a study was done to see why the 2000 election had ballot problems
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) look carefully at California non-profit corp. laws, and the icann bylaws.
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) Has anyone else got problems with #scribe?
<DePento> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) at large puts directors on the board... therefore they are FULL members
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) back
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:44) I have no scribe
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:45) no scribe
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:45) idem
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:45) REBECCA: what is going on with the scribe?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:46) bye all.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:46) Did anyone catch Vint's comments about internet years (1 internet yr = 7 actual years..)...If this is true, IOD has been waiting for 35 years...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:46) bye tom
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:47) yes, like the principal of having an at large at all, is not too sacred to question.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:47) they are questioning it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:47) right in our faces
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:48) August in canada?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:48) where?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:48) that's okay karl !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) bravo karl
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) Karl is right on!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) so true
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) evening
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) hi jess
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:49) hi jess
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) the committee is bogus
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) much smaller
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) limited memory...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) how nice
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) Karl: "do you want to answer these as I ask them... or??"
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:50) LOL
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) conflicts of interest...
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) Conflicts of interest?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) oh yeah
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) pindar wong... the patsy
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) the middle east?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:51) credibility?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:52) lots of internet stuff going on in the middle east i suppose.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:52) really groundbreaking stuff...literally.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:52) "we'll listen to the developing world.. just not the developed world!"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) how do you like that?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) who's the guy in the glasses .. just came in and ot sure who's up
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) Pindar Wong.. patsy.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) well, you have to realize that our national security and military is involved too
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) hes in charge of the @ large study?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:53) http://www.worldatlarge.org
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) under development.. we'd like input
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) I didn't get this email ... did any other @ large members here get this email?
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) yes, I got it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) not i
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) nope
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) not i
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) members-announce@icann.org (28 Feb-01)
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:54) I never received a pin #...still burns me up
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) me either ray
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) still ticks me off too
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) ray: even those of us who did, we're still burning!
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) I got it, but then it wouldn't let me vote and I got into bad fights with roberts and stubbs
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:55) roberts was nice ... stubbs was not
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) oh, i voted.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) I voted for Karl!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) but many of my friends did not
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) I voted :) but only after a reporter from AP picked up on it
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:56) within an hour mr roberts was on it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) where is the atlarge study meeting schedule posted?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) Vint is getting on Karl's case for wanting to speak the truth
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) www.atlargestudy.org and the presentation is at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/wong-atlargebudget_files/frame.htm
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:57) yes Karl!!!
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) oh lord
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Vint is trying to avoid public controversy (keep it behind closed doors)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) there it is!!!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Oh boy...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Vint is a sell out
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) we must sue!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) before they drop the atlarge
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:58) Start a class action suit and we will join you
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:59) Look at Han's expression! He's crapping his pants!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:59) vint's statement is profound and telling.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 19:59) I will open the floodgate
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:00) Vint is full of you know what, so is p. wong the patsy!
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:00) HHRMPH. There WAS a remote public comment on this question.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:01) YES!
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:01) Oh, okay, my bad.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:02) thank god
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:02) I can't believe hte comment by cerf!
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:02) heres lin lindon - great stuff
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:02) I agree he's selling out, but at least in this instance he said the truth.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:02) what did he say Judith?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:03) about the role of at large
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:03) what specifically?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:03) go len go
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:03) "The at large community exists - I mean, they're out there. The question is whether they have a role in ICANN."
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:03) "the at large group exists - the question is whether they have a roll in ICANN"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:03) quote of the meeting!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) wow... that should be brought to the attention of Congress during the next hearing
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) that says it all
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) Yes.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) unbelieveable !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) not really
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) is this Lin ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) yes
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:04) len
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:05) signing their own death warrant
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:05) this is funny?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:05) of course
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:05) YJ!!
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:05) excellent stuff - len got his objection in on the court case when the majestic minister of communications walked into the room - good stuff
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:06) I like YJ Park.. she and Karl actually tell the truth!
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:07) was that the board members laughing at that comment by cerf ?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:07) welcome michael :-)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) Hi Michael.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) didn't the judge rule against Len tho ?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) hi michael
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) Judith, could you send me the quote by cerf to: sotiris@hermesnetwork.com
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) hi Michael
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) hi MF
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) did you hear cerf's comment on the @Large?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) SS, I quoted it above - scroll up.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) Yesterday the NC told YJ Park to be quiet and they cut her off many times.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:08) sotiris ..scroll back
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) DSNO is dysfunctional
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) DNSO that is
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) very
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) What did cerf say...I was gone and just returned (to lazy to scroll up!!)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) This isn't doctor heal thyself. It's foxes watching over the henhouse.
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) They are asking a broken process to fix itself
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) i pleased to say i was a major contributor to dnso dysfunction - more like dnso exposure
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:09) YJ Park is going to the board because the NC ignored her yesterday
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) Karl's statement is good too. (See scribes notes.)
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) yes
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) and now they're ignoring her too
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) A recent posting to the GA mailing list refers to a 60pp report by Danny Younger on DNSO review. Is there a URL?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) "taking it under advisement"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) cerf: "The atlarge community exists - I mean they're out there. The question is whether they have a role in ICANN."
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) burying it
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) yes!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) again no time!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) Yes yes yes!
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:10) it's interesting to note that the atlarge was not invited to attend virtually
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:11) The data is listed in the study letter.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:11) I was invited baptista .. or notified of it
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:11) lets hope that NSI/VeriSign hasn't gutted the .org sites yet
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:11) is this sims ?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:11) gutted ?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) Why is Wong responding re the ICANN data request? She asked about the independent data request.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) Now he's tap dancing.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) but were you invited as an at large member? i have several phoney atlarge registrations and non of them got email
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) because vint asked him to
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) just kidding...they want to change the rules for .org sites
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) uh..uh...It's on our website..yeah...that's the ticket!
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) not sure -= may have just been a notice
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:12) yeah thanks pindar... patsy
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) no .org :) hahahaha
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) that may of been it jess - i got the general notices too - those are organized by our man ben here
<MarcSchneiders> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) Bye all!
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) I don't agree with this characterization of P.Wong; I think he is a serious person, trying to do a serious job.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) bye Marc
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) He seems fair so far to me
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) Then he shouldn't have misdirected her question.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:13) thanks Michael
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) exactly judith
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) because not one of my at large accounts got notice of this. since i voted several times as several different people i expect to get some notice of the festivities
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) amended question. comments?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) Now that ICANN has indicated by its actions that collisions with existing TLDs in THE name space are acceptable, what do you plan to do regarding the collisions that you are about to create and what do you suggest for regarding those who have acted on that lead and others who will surely follow? e.g. ICANN's .BIZ and new.net's 18 colliders are the new trend.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) Does ICANN still believe that it is reponsible for only its one root or is there any realization that it is one of many?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) cerf evidently only sees one root
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) Cerf just spoke about that a few minutes ago. One root.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) curtail questions... not the first time
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:14) more pomp and circumstance... instead of public comments
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) has anyone calculated how much of the public comment forum is actually open to public comment?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) 1%
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) minister alston is hated in austraia
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) Leah: my interpretation is that Icann only feels responsible for one root
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) less than 1%
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) barely,, they use the audience to gauge public input interest
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) very little Michael .. they always run out of time
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) they can't hear us scream
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) Michael: It could really be an interesting suggestion to have an ICANN opening meeting /separate/ from the Open Forum.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:15) almost appears deliberate too
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) So far Michael we have heard a speech from Roberts, a speech from a Sentator, and a bunch of dumb jokes by the ICANN Board, but very few public comments.
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) It really takes up too much time
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) Its been bumped for giving a present to Roberts, and presentations like this. Plus casual joking etc. Like there's no time urgency.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) who's this guy ?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) that is moving ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) the atlarge is legally able to have its own meeting
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) YAsvensson: yes, it may be time to explore parallel satellite meetings in all 4 regions for each quarterly meeting. But funding?
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) <SCREAM>PLease listen to us!!! </SREAM>
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) I agree Judith...no sense of urgency or giving that impression
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:16) no sense of the seriousness of these issues either
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) considering the jokes
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) he forgot "cyberspace"
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) funding = g w bush's faith based funding... we just form a religion...
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) ;-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) http://www.worldatlarge.org we're organizing.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) this is the first political personality they have ever managed to get public support from - the first time it was attempted was at ICANN Cairo - the President of Egypt - but I understand he dropped ICANN like a hot potatoe at the last moment. anyone remember that?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) Ray, I want him to say so at this meeting.
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) I invite all you to use icannwatch.org as a forum both now and after the meetings end; you can start new threads via "post news"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:17) the best "cerf" country?
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:18) Leah: I see. But Esther said as much in November
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:18) ICANN: "100% Content Free!"
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:19) What is the pretense for caring about what Alston says?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:19) just political courtesy
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:19) Michael... what are your feelings on V. Cerf's comment: "The atlarge community exists - I mean they're out there. The question is whether they have a role in ICANN."
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) A commercial for Australia... how nice!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) yeash
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) Gawd, is he pitching "Do Business in Australia"? Has he paid for this ad time?
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) SS-that is a neutral statement of fact. I don't see it as any extra threat, rather a description of what the Board did before Cerf joined. And that 'clean sheet' WAS a threat, whatever they say now.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) yes
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) always done when conventions held in a country
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) lol - "an experiment"
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:20) The next is in Europe - Jun 01..correct?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) ICANN is an experiment = GAC intends to take some firm control. He got that impression from their statements at the Yokohama meeting too.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) yes. the "clean sheet" is a clear threat... what do we do?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) Rather "I" got that impression ...
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) They will probably find another exotic country to visit
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) Greg: Yes, Jun 01-04 Stockholm; September Montevideo/Uruguay
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) Switzerland is next! Then maybe South America!
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) Sweden, not Switzerland
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) what about madagascar?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:21) Sorry Sweden
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) Montevideo .. wonder who won the coin flip
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) Your latter point, Michael, is the point. And Cerf at least told the truth about it, though I'm not sure he intended to
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) or Kosovo?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) or Borneo?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) How about Greenland? or Antartica?
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) Bora Bora
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) or the DMZ in Cyprus?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) calif since they are broke
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:22) You folks might wish to consider this is an archived conversation; it makes some sense to be serious.
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) we were talking about real places, not CA
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) (Would it be politically incorrect to suggest that direction of his domain name wouldn't be totally inapplicable>"
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) Joe B ... Can I use Windows servers on the DNS ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) "pinched my international domain name"? like it is his...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) Didn't Sentator Boxer bring up this same argument?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) yeah
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:23) it was ridiculous of her as well
<anon280> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) http://www.google.com/search?q=alston+censorship
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) And... Roger Cochetti... (her hero) was there to save her!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) it's not "theirs"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) de facto
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) Yes. A rather "me me me" rationale, if you ask me. They could maintain their position with more pertinent arguments. But then, maybe they can't find more pertinent arguments, I don't know.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) i suppose there are no other alston's or boxers in the world
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:24) Dr Froomkin...I agree with the fact this is important to discuss real issues on here, but I think what has happened is that we feel our voices are not being heard...Whether on the ICANN board, or anyhwere else...Care to comment??
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) yes, gregory exactly
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) Au, WIPO = disaster
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) frustration is a common experience in the face of steep technical issues
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) we're pretty frustrated
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) The answer to the question asked me on a private channel is "no" (Ps. I don't seem to be able to send privately?)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) highlight the person you wish to send to
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) but it should be recognized that they are "technical" issues and not so much political... the frustration is coming from them being treated in a political fashion instead of a technical one
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) Au has very stiff rules on corporations and tms
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:25) mine has been taken down there
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) everyone would feel better and be able to contribute more if they were given a venue to work out the technical issues in addressing a 'cyber' governing system
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) FYI, for whomever doesn't know, I believe that Australia initiated WIPO II.]
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) ICANN is not going to do it
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) it isn't interested
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) true
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) "in the spirit in which it was conceived"
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:26) Au has some rough rules and laws on sites .,... we gave up trying to wade thru their system
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) was that before they knocked off postel?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) or after?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) the spirit in which it was conceived is dead
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) AU has been trying to get control of ccTLDs for associated territories. This seems a key part of its agenda.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) just like postel
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) coincidence?
<anon280> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:27) http://www.google.com/search?q=alston+censorship
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) Thanks for taking up pubic comment time!
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) applause is light :)
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) jesswess - yes you can use windows servers for dns - i would recommend against it very strongly.
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) what is the objective??
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) He doesn't sound like an aussie
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) no public comment... but lots of hot air from the politico
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) gag
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) greta
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) great
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) joe .. our servers are all windows ... can the dns box just be linux and the others win
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:28) lunchtime for the hardworking ICANN Board.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) if (Board talk > time) { no public comments }
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) i'll bet
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) Also public comments are held to 1000 chars including spaces. I bet you not one single live commentator sticks to twice that limit.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) <---total tech dummy :(
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) yes jesswest - you can run a primary just for dns which is unix and then secondary on your windows.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) k thanx
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:29) exactly michael
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) lunch break is how many minutes?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) 2:00 - what time in NY?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) 2 hours
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) see you all later
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) not true. 1.5 hours
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) 10:30 pm EST
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) we'll see
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) OK. Will try to be back then. Uncertain if possible.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) sorry 10 pm EST
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) 9:30 cst
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) thanks.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) you won't miss much
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) 8:30 MST
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) sorry
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) 2 is not 8"30 or 9"30
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:30) ANyone watching who wants to post summaries to the web and send a link, we may use it on icannwatch.org. Thanks.
<asvensson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) Not sure if I stay on -- it's 2:30 *a*m here now...
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) so much political rearend kissing :(
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) they make sure they have plenty of time for lunch though
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) just no time for public comment
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) of course ... freebie with open bar
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) what a sickass joke
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) Do we have a say??
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) plenty of time for useless politcal speeches and lunch but no public comments
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:31) obviously not
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) see you in 1.5 hours..
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) personally, i think froomkin is also a sell out
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) i'm hungry too ... bbl
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) I am so frustrated....Imagine, what a one world government would be like...
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) no way sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) he's been spending too much time among them.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) i think he's been infected.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) has nothing to do with it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:32) money is a powerful influence
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) SS, you're way off base re Prof. Froomkin.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) I hope so
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) but i'm not sure
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) we need to get away fromall the bashing .. serves no purpose at all
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) Have you read any of his work on this subject?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) yes... and it seems his position has softened
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) considerably
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:33) he has done some tremendous articles which helped turn some of the wipo decisions
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:34) Interesting, I see the opposite. And I'm not playing devil's advocate with you.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:34) He's had his say on ICANN sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:34) I'm not convicting the man, i just think his position has become watered down somewhat
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:34) It's not hte attorney's responsibility to do the fighting for us
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) unless we pay?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) of course
<GregoryKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) This is a pointless argument...Do we all agree at least on that!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) whatever happened to individuals? aren't attorneys individuals?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) but not even then in some instances ... professors write the "research
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) reports
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:35) they are interested in the legal aspects of it only
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:36) or the money?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:36) intel end of it
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:36) Sotiris .. Michael has written many many articles over the ICANN mess and NSI ... one fo the best around
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:36) the future of information flow is at stake here.. nothing less.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:36) no money involved ... go to his site and read
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:37) not his fight tho
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:37) it's everybody's fight!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:37) including him!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:37) especially him!
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:37) He's contributed more than most sotiris !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:38) i've been to his site, i've read his stuff and i liked it... but it seems he's softened up some over time.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:38) no especially about it .. he has no obligation to u, me or anyone to fight for us
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:38) what about for himself? his children?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:38) not in hte internet business sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:39) what we are talking about is the global mnemonic information repository... the future of human history, as well as control over humanity's past... it's not something anybody should take lightly.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:40) especially intellectuals of the calibre of Michael Froomkin
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:41) hey have a fiduciary duty to themselves as thinking individuals before anything else..
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:41) if some people have their way, nobody will think anymore... just shop!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:41) imagine.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:42) imagine an internet, where you're searching for some raw info on clams... every search you do brings back something totally commercial with no info for your research...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:43) magnify that to include every possible search you could do on the Web, and tell me if such a future is desirable
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:44) hello!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:44) in the end.. three banks will own the entire Web
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:44) all info on it will be at their discretion
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:44) what a horrible scenario
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:45) SS, control is clearly the intent. What remedy do you suggest?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:45) (Hi Simon.)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:45) Indivuduals must find a hub to organize around.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:46) And what are you doing towards that end?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:46) the @Large is such a possible hub... and they want to do away with it!
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:46) hi J!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:46) Presently, I've donated the address: http://www.worldatlarge.org and a colleague has donated the server space to host it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:47) i have been trying to educate people for three years on the workings of ICANN
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:47) and i've made some small contributions in many of the forums to date
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:47) including WGreview
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:48) There are other such efforts as well. How do you propose you and they become a force to contend with?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:49) by recognizing that we have a common purpose and to band together
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:49) on one web site
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:49) not 500
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:49) won't happen
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:49) i think the obvious choice would be the worldatlarge.org
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:50) too many egos to feed and not enuf fish
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:50) well, there's a legal avenue if we're resolved enough to take it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:50) shall i explain?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:50) why not
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:50) ok...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:51) ICANN is registered as a non-profit org
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:51) in california
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:51) the law states that members of such an org have to meet regularly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:51) but they must be MEMBERS
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) well, the ICANN bylaws claim that the atlarge is not full membership
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) not members at all
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) but in fact, the atlarge puts directors on the board
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) yep
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) directors that can vote
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) yep
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) to allocate the resources of the org
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) ICANN is contravening the law
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:52) and to achieve quorum
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:53) if some non-atlarge directors were missing for a vote..
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:53) why do yo uthink it is in calif ?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:53) jess, it is good that it is in Ca. The law is pretty explicit
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:53) as long as there were enough to achieve quorum,( ie.e including the atlarge directors)
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) And you can forget about getting any victory there because of politics
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) then a vote could go through to dispose and allocate resources
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) explicit ... but SAIC the powerhouse there
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) ergo... atlarge members are fully members in FACT
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) according to California law
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) yes, sotiris. I said ICANN is contravening the law
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:54) clearly
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:55) they changed the bylaws to reflect at-large is not a membership, but in fact they are
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:55) ICANN will probably be nailed in Texas courts if anywehre .. because of past commodity laws
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:55) it's probably a good lawsuit
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:55) all that is required now is an American, california resident with the gumption to stand up and launch the suit
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:55) damn right leah
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:55) and the money to do it
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:56) that's the trick. who will fund it?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:56) which is why we must organize round one pole
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:57) Can anyone tell me who Michael Schneider of the NC works for, or what his business is etc.?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:57) Shoot, if every "registered" at-large member sent ten dollars, it would more than fund a law suit
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:57) exactly
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:57) so set it up
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 20:57) I am seeking support to establish such a fund
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:07) beware the PEER
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:07) :-)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:10) hi
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:11) Hi again
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:11) Hi all
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:14) at least the music is different
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:17) hi
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:22) Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:22) me too .. yawning and dozing off
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:23) :-)
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:23) meetings should resume in about another half hour.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:23) wild music keeping me awake tho
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:26) does ICANN have a broadcast license?
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:27) does it submit cue sheets for the music?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:27) Harvard probably does
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:27) hehe call napster
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:28) ok, i went and kicked and punched at my training bag to vent some of my anger and i'm back...
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:28) almost asleep now
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:28) so keith.. you there?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:29) Hi yes, I'm here.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:30) tell us some more about how realnames resolves... the tech aspect please.
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:30) Singing on from the office using Duane Connelly's machine. BobC
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:30) since you claim it's not search buy based
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:30) Is there any sound just now?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:31) Well, it's built into the IE browser from 3.0 onwards.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:31) so is copernic
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:31) We have 2 platforms. Resolution and registration.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) I was just told that either we are able to dns thru windows or no go on the tlds :(
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) i'm interested in the "resolution"
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) You can try resolution by typing say "sony vaio" into the address bar of the ie browser.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) 6-8 servers but no linux
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) I have a window for webcase & scribe's notes, the standard 'bot' disclaimer, is that all there is just now? BobC
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) Duane will be that way until they come back from lunch - about 30 minutes or less
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:32) Microsoft detects that "sony vaio" is not a dns address. It would do the same for "sony" or "amazon"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:33) and then...
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:33) Then it sends it to www.realnames.com/resolver.dll for resolution.
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:33) Dear Jess: Thanks, when I left home they had music playing. BobC
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:33) We read the address, look up the URL, and redirect.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:33) playing now
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:33) I see... well, let me tell you something interesting keith
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:34) This would work for ANY non-DNS entry, including multilingual domain names and non-standard TLD's
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:34) waiting....
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:35) up until 6 months ago... using the netscape browser, when you typed the words Greek Philosophy into the location bar (no suffix), the browser took you directly to www.greekphilosophy.com and NOT a search results page... without a realnames resolution.dll
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:35) isn't that interesting?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:36) Netscape dowsn't support realnames. That's why. You can update netscape to support us.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:36) my point is... why would i want to?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:37) your "system" is based on buying search result space... nothing more
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:37) alta vista is your primary engine
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:37) At the rate we're going, we'll never get the dns server up for the tlds
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:38) Well, with all of the new TLD's it is going to get ever more unlikely that a user will know which TLD a company has. This is going to lead to directory services on top of dns. RealNames provides a single authoritative resolution with no need to know the TLD. Just type BMW, for example, and go to the page.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:38) keeping programmers almost impossible
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:38) In germany we will send you to bmw.de. In the usa to bmw.com etc etc.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:38) altavista is only 4% of resolutions
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) yes, but what if i want info on the amazon jungle?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) just type "amazon jungle"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) and type in amazon
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) go to the bookstore
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) catch a plane
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) but that's not where i want to go
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:39) :-)
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) haha gmta
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) whay did some companies get generic realnames and not others?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) your policy was that nobody gets generics
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) but that changed quickly
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) To be honest there is some human error. Also some generics are OK if they are branded in the real world.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) I haven't checked that realname site in ages ... what's the addy now
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) realnames - which i don't think is much more then a commercial search engine - has put a priority value on names associated with commerical structure and not knowledge
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:40) was a test area orig
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) yes baptista
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) correct
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) We have just announced dispute resolution through eresolution, so you can complain if somebody got one who shouldn't.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) it is not an addressing system
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) how do I check Keith ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) that's not what i'm looking at keith
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) how much keith does dispute resolution cost?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:41) Beg to differ - it is an addressing system. It used to be mainly search but no longer.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:42) how is it an addressing system????
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:42) Not sure but I'll check (I seem to remember $1500)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:42) yes, how?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:42) and who does the 1500 go to keith?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:42) It's an addressing system for URL's like dns is one for IP numbers and networks.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:42) realnames?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:43) One realname = 1 url, no ambiguity. But it has directory services built into the resolvers too. Lists for ambiguous terms.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:43) yup - i love the human race - converting the planet into spare change and now your converting electrons at $1,500 a pop. so if i believe the amazone should be srictly associated with things amazon first - and not commercialism -i can save the day via eresolution.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:43) hmmm what about redirecting ?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) redirecting is what dns does too - but to an IP number. That is the meaning of the word resolution.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) how does it address URL ??
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) what about amazon.org? i've a lesbian trapped inside my body... do they get a real name?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) We have a routing table of URL's with keywords for each one. type the keyword to go to the URL.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) what would prevent someone submitting the name of my company then ?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) i love lesbians.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:44) they don't love me thou
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) keith left
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) but good point - what about the lesbos at amazone.org - do they get equal time?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) you must be gay then
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) :-)
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) that was a disconnect,,, not a left
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) the woman inside my body is
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:45) They can have the keyword amazone lesbians
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:46) who's gay? i was under the impression be edleman had a strict policy against fruit cocktail discusssions
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:46) what if they want the realname amazon?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:46) rules are here: http://web.realnames.com/Virtual.asp?page=Eng_Subscribe_ApprovalPolicy
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:46) rules huh?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:46) why donesn't your company follow any?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) how do you tell if there are like 3-4 with the same name ...
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) all addressing systems have rules. Don't they?
<KaoruAkami> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) Now I have two machine side by side on the same LAN, with about a 2 second time lag between receipt of the same audio. BobC
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) that's right - in my opinion lesbians have a right to amazon - and anyone who has met a full fledged lesbian would agree with me.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) yours is not
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) an addressing system
<KaoruAkami> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) test
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) it's like aol for corporations
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) It's like AOL keywords for the whole world.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) keyword they took from aol
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) no - all addressing systems don't have rules - the USG DNS was pretty open until the ICANN idiocy started - actually a bit before that
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:47) Actually took it from Compuserve (GO Words)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) so why can't amazon.org have the realname amazon?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) well, i qualified for every rule yet was still refused my keyword
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) Most users would not expect that outcome.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) me too
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) oh really?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) how do you know?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) A Guess
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) Joe .. my guy is refusing to setup the linux for dns - wants to go with windows
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) look the word up in a dictionary
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:48) i don't see "bookstore"
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:49) well - what can i say - full sail ahead.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:49) i see warrior women
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:49) so what would most people expect again?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:49) for amazon ? river
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:49) The well branded global bookstore.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:50) a limited audience, sure... but not most people friend
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:50) what is bull the keyword for ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:50) I'm of greek descent, and the word amazon has nothing to do with bookstores in the greek language
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:51) It isn't. It goes to an msn.com search page.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:51) you see Keith - your expressing the christian view when you say "most people" - in fact "most people" on the net - based on logs show they are viewing pornography - it is after all the leading internet browing sport - so i think amazone.org would be high on the lists of perverted curiousities. you should do some real name market research in this area. maybe open a separate division for internet realnames for real people
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:51) so you see folks... another crock... realnames is a joke.
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:51) Actually all keywords only exist within country namespaces so amazon in greece can go somewhere different that amazon in the USA.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:51) it will
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) amazon.com does not own amazon.gr
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) nor will they
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) but they would like to try
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) good luck to em
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) looks like everybody is returning to the hall. We should stop this discussion for now.
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) who is the vulcan lad on camera now?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:52) I bet realnames will fold within this year, if not then next for sure...
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:53) Dear Babe: I"ve been trying for some time to get you together on the Internet with John Barber, who is with AOL here in Japan.. Wha'ts your Email address: John sayd you originally sent him to Japan yeares ago. Regards, Bob Connelly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:53) anyone want to take the bet?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:53) keith?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:53) don't count on it. we have $50m of cash and did $30m of bookings this quarter.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:53) well there you go - what i mess - i go to greece and can no longer find my favourite books store - that's not an addressing system - thats a nightmare. dns has to do with identity - thats why realnames is not popular amongst the general population - you just a commercial advertisier and data repository - that ok. i use real names rarely - but i'm glad it's there
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:53) i don't use realnames at all... just watch and see.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) what's the stock symbol Keith ?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) I bet amazon.gr folds this year!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) they've already overspent on advertising with little result
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) we actually don't advertise
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) hi all
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) amazon.gr is not a functioning site.
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) i used it once - when i was trying to understand what it was - i quickly understood it to be a search engine and also expect it to fail. it's hard to repackage electrons.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:54) be prepared for a lot to fold ... trickle down effect
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) keith, you can send me a resume now if you like...
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) what do you mean jessica????
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) Baptista: Are you Babe Batista? Regard, Bob Connelly
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) Listen carefully to John Klensin this afternoo. You will see where RealNames is going.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) save time later
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) wish they would start the meeting .. music horrible
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) cisco and intel laying off thousands
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) can anyone tell me why realnames would get to speak at an ICANN meeting?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) no i am not babe batista - i'm joe baptista DuaneConnelly
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) Ph
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) oh
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:55) when the public comment period is cut out?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:56) I woke up after a horrible dream and heard this weird music playing...oh...oh wait.. I'm watching an ICANN meeting
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:56) called politics Sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:56) ICANN and realnames are on the way out... who goes first is a toss up.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:56) mark my words
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:57) jess - re dns - get a new guy.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:57) windoze + DNS = problems
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:57) noooo we have 6-8 servers - too much trouble
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:57) programmers not easy to find
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:57) <predictions>my words</predictions> <== mark up my words
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:57) yes
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) need it up temporarily Leah until we can get one guy to do it right
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) do it right the first time jess
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) jess- need one linux box for dns - talk to windoze boxes on the lan
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) just subcontract
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) damned if I'm gonna dig out an old Linux book and box
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) go.com poured 790million down the drain... wait and see about realnames...
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:58) been years since I looked at linux :(
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:59) the sucking sound of corporate reality
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:59) bye bye realnames
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:59) here we go.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 21:59) The internet crash is not over ... always a snowball effect
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:00) The one guy we had that was a linux expert was hired away and in Florida now
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:01) I'm using Windows Media on Duane's machine. I do't see the Scribe's notes. Anyone can help me? Bob Connelly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:01) try realplayer
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:01) A diagram: ccTLD's ==> ["screw you"] ==> ICANN
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:01) His machine does n't have it, nor does Mrs. Akami's machine have it, it's a Japanese machine. BobCV
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:02) Jon Postel R.I.P.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:02) yes!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:02) ccTLDs!!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:02) yes!!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:02) bye bye realnames
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:03) et al.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:03) yes!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:03) watchwords.com?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:03) flexibility means "they won't cooperate"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:03) good
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:04) translated .. cctld's told them to go to hell :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:04) exactly
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:04) yup - but before they go bye bye alot more money will be down the drain
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:04) keith, send me the cash... put it to some use
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:05) I need a partner Keith .. that would work nice with the stock symbols of the world :)
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:05) realstock, inc
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:05) ccTLDs will keep their own roots. They will never go for the "one root" idea.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:05) cool
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) the Pope should beatify Jon Postel and make him the Saint of the Internet
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) "monitor local interests" = shut down people who criticize you
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) he was martyred...
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) Avoid word "contract" to sidestep US antitrust issues.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) (Avoiding)
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) saw that Judy .. they are running out of names for agreements and contracts now
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) ICANN has alreay gone bezerk!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) hahaha
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:07) icann bezerk originally !
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:08) Is that Auerbach talking?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:09) no
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:09) Public trust ?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:09) noooooo
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:09) "Transparency" ....lol
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:09) it will never work - ICANN will not get control of the ccTLD roots
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:10) More like "clandestine" and "byzantine"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:10) ICANN will be dissolved.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:10) sure hope not ...but suspect most will go along with icann
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:10) "contribute to ICANN's cost of operation" --- why? what has ICANN done for them?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:10) yep and then SAIC puts Verisign over it all
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:10) exactly
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:11) "closure" = force the ccTLDs to pay up
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:11) The future holds a loose confederation of national roots which choose to resolve or not resolve gTLDs...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:12) protectionism is coming
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:12) to the web
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:12) Actually Sotiris, I agree with you. And I like the idea.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:13) I hold European citizenship.. so i like it too Keith
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:13) China already has firewalls set up
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:14) won't be good for America though keith
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:14) Actually Im a Brit.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:14) bad link in the scribe notes
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:14) why ?
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:14) what they need is a single, non-ICANN group to represent all the ccTLDs
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:14) the US is saturated
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) maybe over-saturated
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) It won't good for corporate America.. but I am an American citizen and it might do us some good
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) However I think the existence od gTLD's is a form of cyber-colonialism. Identity is by definition local.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) I agree Keith
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) (amazing huh?)
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:15) Yup :-)
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:16) That's just wrong.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:16) JP, for shame.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:16) Who is logged in as JonPostel? That is in really bad taste.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:16) wrong place Jon ... you're needed in >au
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) Agreed, Kendall.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) Some things are just...wrong.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) Jon Postel R.I.P.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) let him rest
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) He was a great man
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) i agree
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:17) Hey, Ben, boot the person signed in as "Jon Postel"
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) inappropriate. we can only ask that person to re login
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) yes bad taste, indeed.
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) How do you know that isn't their correct name.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) Jon, is that your realname?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) 1 in 1,000,000 chance
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) Did you ever see this quote from John: "When there are powerful directory systems, of which keywords are a simple first step, users won't care about domain names or URLs," he says. "This could make the current controversy over expanding the domain name system look silly in retrospect."
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) Gene, you ask what you want, I will ask what I want.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) Interesting ... ccTLDS see no need for ICANN to communicate FIRST with Governments before establishing contracts with ccTLDS ...
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) Hello, is there a problem?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:18) Its from http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.09/netizen.html?pg=5
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) ridiculous -
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) is that your real name?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) Jessica, that point was a huge bone of contention at the Yokohama meeting.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) Andrew McLaughlin's presentation on ccTLDs is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/mclaughlin-cctld-update.html>. It is also linked off the agenda of the current meeting.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) Kendall, are you kidding?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) Dont count on it.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) Had to read that twice Judith ...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:19) Keith, unfortunately for realnames, these directories will be national in scope..
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:20) I'll give him a chance to answer.. then consider him a bad joker
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:20) The threat is lay down and pay or we simply bypass you.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:20) Kendall, it is a bad joke.
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:20) Let me guess...
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:20) Peter Dengate Thrush's ccTLD communique is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/ccTLD-communique.html>. It is also linked off the agenda of the current meeting.
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) ICANN tries to control names?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) China didn't lay down tho
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) nah ...
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) You want to control my name.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) ha!
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) You are no better than ICANN.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) ha!
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) You have failed the test.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:21) ha!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) JP, you failed the ethics test.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) Anything substantive happen??
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) I think a mailing should be sent out to all the ccTLDS re worldnet
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) greg, yeah, we ordered pizza.
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) To the person participating as JonPostel, two things:
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) actually sotiris I agree. We are organized around geographical borders. there is no such thing as a global keyword - unlike global domain names.
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) Yes Ben?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) First, I'd like you to remind you of the charter of this forum, requiring a certain tone in participation.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:22) wb sm
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:23) Thanks, Ben.
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:23) I apologise if I say the truth.
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:23) hita marcia thnx
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:23) And the truth hurts.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:23) wb Chris.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:23) naaa you just look like a kook and no one will listen to you
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:24) Ben, I did submit a question. Is that there?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:24) boot the person calling himself "JonPostel" for having poor taste
<JonPostel> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:24) Hello Chris. Please don't send me any more checks. Bye
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:24) Amazing.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:24) That's in incredibly bad taste.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:24) he'll be back to see the comments
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:25) or a clone anyway
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:25) Will the ccTLDs resolve RealName keywords in their national roots? or will such resolution be limited to gTLDs?
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:25) Best thing (to ben) is to boot that person if he does come back....Thanks
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:26) we are looking to partner with ccTLD's for local registration and resolution services.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:26) I am totally lapsing here. The July conference was in Yokohama. Where was the November conference?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:27) GOOD QUESTION!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:27) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:27) not sure?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:27) I am just amazed I remember how to SPELL "Yokohama"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:27) surely not?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) hahaha vint!!!
<DuaneConnelly> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) November meeting of ICANN was in Marina del Mar, Los Angeles Country, California, USA. BobC
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) there on my tires
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) "we don't have time to explore this" it will have to wait until we get to the next posh hotel in a different city.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) yes vint... local laws and courts
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) like andrew said
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:28) yeah .. we can't afford a spanish translator
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:29) gee...never thought of that
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:29) is this the first meeting where we have had non-english comments?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:29) or French or Arabic ... ICANN needs to get their priorities straight!
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:30) icann is looking more and more like the UN - thank god i understand spanish and french
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:30) Hey, there are too many languages in this world to cover them all.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:30) Poor guy has no idea why they were laughing .. very rude !
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:30) Try as we will.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:31) English is the International Business Language tho ...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:31) I can help them if they are looking for a translator in Pig Latin. All they have to do is fly me out to their conferences.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:31) has been for years
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:31) Shoot, now they want to ask the community "at large" for assistance? Balls ...
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:31) free translators judith .. earn our keep !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:31) hahahahaha
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:32) Most large international trading companies require English Speaking representatives
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:32) Yes!
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:32) All commodity prices are quoted in English worldwide
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:32) Cerf can't even say "arrangement" with a straight face.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:32) Wish someone would just ask him why they can't call the Contracts~
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:33) Are they just about up to the part about new gTLD contracts?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:34) This contract and implementation phase is going to take far more time than is necessary.
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:34) what do ya knof good old marcia
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:34) They should be just about ready to incorporate them into the root. Instead, they are still piddling.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:34) Easy to understand why all the internet stocks are crashing ..........
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:35) Chris, how much technical fiddling does ICANN have to do to incorporate a new gTLD or ccTLD into the root? Is it a straightforward infusion, or is there a lot of configuring and adapting that must go on?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:35) it's a conjouring trick
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) FYI, I just registered jonpostel.org as i wouldn't want it falling into the wrong hands...
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) ty sotiris
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) sheesh sotiris see ya at the next wipo meeting ;)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) Tom, it is, LITERALLY, less than 20 seconds of typing on the A root server.
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) should postel.org have it?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) are you a "not for profit" organization?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) absolutely
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:36) lol....20 seconds and 15 years.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:37) at this point
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:37) oh please Vint!!! why don't they volunteer to translate the texts too?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:38) this is crazy - everyone is trying out a new language
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:38) on the board
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:38) Where is Creole?
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:38) Reminds me of the tower of babel
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:38) creole?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:38) what about Urdi?
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:39) very embarrassing....
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:39) Meanwhile, .coop, .museum, .info, etc are all English.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:39) in other words: "we don't want to spend money that we could keep instead"
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:39) Actually, I think they should have chosen .air over .aero, but .travel over both of those.
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) they should have chosen alot more over those
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) they really don't have the money to support their current organizational infrastructure - 20 million a year minimum would give them the necessary stature - but no translations
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) "2 million short" means we need to squeeze the ccTLDs to pay up
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) Jon Cohen has just volunteered to fly business class to pay for translation!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) I'd suggest that GAC members provide translation as applicable, but I'd not trust them to translate "unedited."
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) i can't believe he tried to discourage karl again
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) sorry-I meant "not to fly business" to pay for translation...
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:40) good point KARL!!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:41) how much does the CEO of ICANN earn?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:41) Which one?
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:41) $250K - $300K
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:41) Roberts. I bet the costs it would cover many translators...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:41) Do they still fly on Concords to the conferences?
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:41) they just approved a pay scale recently
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:42) hey i'd translate into greek for 50k a year
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:42) no problem
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:42) seriously Sotiris.. I bet there are many people who would translate for $30 - 50 k
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:42) I'm sure of it
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:43) I'd be pleased to help with the Spanish and Russian translation for regular 1st class upgrades to meetings :-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:43) hahaha
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:43) Don't you think the host country should provide translators...I mean each country should have a plethora of translators available at embassies, etc
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:43) Why do people think that ICANN is responsible for dealing with the digital divide?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:44) Cut out the first-class flights, the expensive hotels, limos and dinners and adjust all the staff member's salaries accordingly
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:44) They are not social engineers on THAT level
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:44) i can get you turkish translation for a flight for 2 and a room in a posh hotel
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:44) book me for a turkish bath
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:44) The whole thing is so TM-centric and WIPO is so UN-centric, let WIPO/UN do it.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:44) I seriously see an "english backlash" coming
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:45) ICANN is not responsible for bringing the Internet to economically troubled countries.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:45) Only countries who have joined WIPO
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:45) in the wgreview, i suggested that the intelligence services of the world offer their raw translations... since they all watch icann anyway.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:45) I disagree entirely .. each country should provide their own trnaslator
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:45) They have to provide the technical, not the economic/political/social.
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:45) I think it is very reasonable to ask that doucments be translated. Simultaneous translation is costly and difficutl; doing it in languages other than maybe host country is not practicable w/out huge influx of funds.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) Agreed, Mr. Froomkin.
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) Another side-benefit of requiring transaltion - and why it won't happen - is it requires lead time. It would require real advance public notice of key documents. That's a big reason why it's good.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) But I wonder if any ICANN participants have been asked by ICANN if they can help.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) What I'm saying is that it could be more affordable than they claim it is.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) However back to my point....Can't the local embassies help out???
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) every national intelligence service produces a translation... guaranteed
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:46) Greg, they SHOULD.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) Well ... every embassy could provide it
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) They are equipped, and it is in their best interest.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) and the price they quoted is ridiculaous in the world markets !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) why should they?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) My translators in S. American make about $200 a month ~
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) even the ccTLDs are bucking ICANN
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) Because it is of national interest to their respective nations, sotiris
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) If they hired a college intern to do it.. it would be 1/5 the price they quote!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) It should not be REQUIRED of them.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:47) not that easy kendall
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:48) It just falls into their realm, I think.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:48) for instance, there is no word(s) for domain names in Greek. thus, it is necessary to come up with a proper translation (which i've already done)
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:48) Cerf is doing standup comedy again.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:48) Or perhaps, sit-down
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:48) I'd be willing to bet that each country has at least one individual who could provide translation
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:48) What happened in Japan? Didn't seem that had much trouble with translating services..
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:49) good point karl!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:49) Language was an issue, as I recall Greg.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:49) Public comments brought up that point in Yokohama.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:49) Perhaps ICANN should consult with the cc government :)
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:49) oh
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:49) What is next?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) the new tlds
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) cool
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) ccTLDs marketed as alternatives to .com
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) scribe note of the question?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) Touton, ack.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) a tautology...
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) easy...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) Here comes the bull.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) oh damn
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) send in the clowns
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) Get your boots on.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) Hey, Touton, step down.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) a toutonology
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:50) "selected cctlds" :(
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) i got my fishing waders on
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) hey lou :-)
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) Why do the unsponsored contracts get worked out first? Why not the sponsored ones?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) hi marCia
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) gonna need snorkling gear soon
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) .aero, .coop, .museum will be testbeds?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) how goes it
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) elo keev
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) que paso
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) good good thanks
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:51) of course.. there is more money involed
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:52) oh hey kevin, didn't see ya there
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:52) I've already put in one Q, but I'd love someone to point out that by negoting only w/ the 4 they cut out the non-commercials from the negotiations, and negotiated only w/ those who had a huge commercial need to make a deal quickly -- cutting out the public and making deals that benefit ICANN more than the public.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:52) he looks pale :( maybe we should increase dom prices to get him some sun
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:53) hahaha
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:53) Louis Touton has registered LouisTouton.com, but it is undeveloped. I subsribe that he registered it in bad faith, without the intention to develop. Someone call in WIPO.
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:53) Louis Touton's presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/touton-newTLDS.html>. It is also linked off the agenda of this meeting.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:53) soitris from greece?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:53) actually I'm Canadian
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) of greek descent
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) hrmm interesteing that i wouldnt have guessed :)
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) naaaa irish with a name like that !
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) ah ok then
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) Remember the ICANN drinking game from yesterday? Everytime Touton lies... drink.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) alla milao ellinika, esu?
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) I think its outrageous they negotiated these in secret.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) lol.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) kendall that explains the guy with the headphones then
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) i agree michael
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) Michael, just keep after them.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) that is Dr. Vint Cerf.. he has a hearing problem
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:54) I didn't know any of them were thru ?
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) I have some more about these negotiatons at http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=19&mode=thread&order=0
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) kendall im speaking more of his manner not hte hearing problem
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) no - the headphones are because he's deaf - thats vint cerf
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) thanx
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) is he really deaf?
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) yup
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) Hey come on folks...please..
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:55) the ear phone help him listen better.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) ah... so what about sign language? should the ICANN meetings be signed as well?
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) yep
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) and brailled?
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) identify anon334
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) Q: How can you tell when Louis Touton is lying? A: His lips are moving
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) moreso than translated
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) ha
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) The Touton presentation warns me it is optimized for MS Explorer and may not show well on my (NS) browser. Couldn't ICANN use open standards?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:56) I think ICANN should ensure that their webcast is available in braille.
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) disability is not something to joke about
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) sign language is inefficient - better just a court reporter scribing every detail
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) In fact the document is not legible on netscape.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) who's joking?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) I think it is in PowerPoint Michael
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) point taken TomOcc lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) it's in powerpoint
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) ; )
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:57) not just Explorer... but only on a Windows machine
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) I have powerpoint and a plug-in for it. But not the very latest. Same as lots of people.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) lol...a new streaming technology. RealBraille.com
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) better reg it tom
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) heehee
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) i bet there's VC money for it
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) I bet there is.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) so no joke
<GeneMarsh> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:58) rebecca/ben - have you seen Tom Cappelli from Diebold tehre?
<LoganKleinwaks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) mechanical text to braille translators have been around for quite some years
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) I wish you guys would stay on topic. This is an archived forum. how do you expect to be taken seriously if you can't be serious?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) what are the feelings in this room about the new tlds ? i think the only viable on is .web
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) What does that mean - responsible for more levels below second level?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) i agree micheal unfortuantely im semi ignorant on the subject ive been busy :(
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) I agree Lou
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) You are correct.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 22:59) Michael... let's be serious for a moment... when will they ever pay attention to anybody outside their inner circle?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) this is window dressing
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) people have been calling it the web forever so .web makes sense do you think there will be a ton more trademark suits as a result of the new tlds coming out and who should be held responsible
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) To make the Touton document legible I had to open Explorer, plus download "vector graphic rendering". I have a fast link, so that's ok, but for people who pay by the minute on slow links this is going to be a serious problem.
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) i think .web would valued and memorable to the casual internet user just as .com
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) Our mistake on the IE-only powerpoint files
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) Becca is redoing them right now.
<LoganKleinwaks> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) what, if anything, is ICANN going to do about the concerns over its perceived domination by US parties?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) michael it worked fine for me
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) It'll take a few minutes to do the converesions, then to upload them all.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) I think .web will replace dot com....When the net comes around...
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) Judith, what was your question?
<BenEdelman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) Our uplink isn't as fast now as it was yesterday, unofrtunately.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:00) It worked here, Michael.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) Repeat - what does it mean, Touton says registries are responsible for more levels below second level?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) guess Judtih
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) Judith
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) 3rd and 4th level?
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) sounds like NSI maintains an advantage vs. new agreements
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) i would assume somehow 3rd level will be discouraged?
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) I see it as he is saying that only the registries are responsible for anything beyond the second level
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:01) hey i missed part of that what did he say about the zone files?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) Practical explanation please?
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) I think they are wrong to discourage it thought
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) microsoft.sucks.too.com
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) especially in the short term
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) So the registry is responsible for this, in what capacity?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) TM protection a la sunrise etc.? What?
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) That ICANN won't be dealing with it
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) to police the names and make sure they are "WIPO compliant" ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:02) exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) in other words... no new names
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) all crap
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) Companies can sue registries, not ICANN. Got it.
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) Thanks Ben. Sorry to be a continual pain about these things.
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) thats what I see
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) a registrar cant really police names in that sense can they? tehre are so many terms trademarked by multiple companies.. realistically speaking can that be policed efficiently?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) they did with the word OLYMPIC
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) thats true lou
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) for example the generic term pathfinder has 80 trademarks i think
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) harvard has 180+
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:03) by a whole potpouri of different people
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) Trademarks should not apply to the domain names
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) try registering an OLYMPIC domain with NSI
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) I think Karl is going to have a few questions for Mr. Touton...I can feel it!!!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) Michael, what do you think about the discussion about making .org restricted retroactively, evicting current registrants who are not documented non-profit organizations?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) you can't .. olympic protected thru the DOC
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) soitris i know i tried to register olypics2004 when i was younger for some reason got a letter from olympics lawyer asking why
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) I hope so greg
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:04) soitirs that was thogu nsi i knwo :)
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) BEN comments on agenda still reflects cctlds
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) superbowl snt protected i dont thnk people own from now til 2030 i think
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) I spoke with Burt fainberg, President of the USOC and told him that it was ludicrous for them to make such a claim
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) That is what is good about this meeting (karl)....What about the other At Large selected directors?? Haven't heard from them..
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) could it be that the DNSO didn't finish because all the deals were done behind closed doors?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) how many OLYMPIC diners, cleaners, etc... are there in the States alone?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) soitris pelase forgive my ignorance may i ask your background as you seem to be influencial
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) Boy scouts is protected too Sol .. lots of names are
<anon334> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:05) Judith, there is a trend happening where companies are selling third level domains to allow for more domain space
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) Ack
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) Afilias.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) No lou... I'm a little person
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) jess the thing is registrars are in it no doubt for the money they make money buy selling as many as they can they cant tie themselves up
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) The .org plan is a non-starter: it's verisign's attempt to ensure that .org is not a competitor to .com.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) anon ... what would be htird third.help.org ?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) none-efficiency = l;ost money
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) If ICANN wants to create a 'clean sheet' .org, it should start a new TLD
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) micheal do you think org can really compete with com though?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) All 19 get in for the price of one = Afilias
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:06) geez, afilias is speaking for all? gimme a break
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) arghh...
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) competition??
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) Agreed, Michael. I thought .npo, though not the most attractive TLD, would be better than resetting .org.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) 'transparent!'
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) Afilias just gives me a rash.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) I only have one .org but will be a cold day in hell when I give it up !
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:07) Afilias should be tossed for mear conflict of interests
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) mere
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) Jess, the lawsuits would abound.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) me included.
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) No, .org is only a limited competitor, that's true. But ICANN shouldn't be involved in dispossessing anyone on some theory of TLD purity. That makes sense only if there were a shortage of TLDs and the shortage is entirely artificial. I have yet to hear of a signle competent engineer say the maximum number of TLDs is less than several tens of thousands. And many say millions.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) when are they attempting to reset the lorgs any dates throw around yet?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) me too
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) they have been working on a deal since last year behind closed doors. They post the agreement on their site 2 weeks ago and they call this "Tranparent"??
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) The problem with these new unrestricted TLDs is that they won't compete with dot com.....Their businesses is sure to fail...
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) i agree micheal there are so many psosibilities that are just increasing exponentially with hte new tlds
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) NSI suggested I register the other two after they rendered a decision in my favor
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) no one with a good percentage of the current pie should be included in these new TLDs!
<Strepsil> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) Adding .asn would be good (association) - Australia already has it - .asn.au and .org.au and impose these new rules on the new one.
<RodneyJoffe> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:08) Folks, a simple question that I appear to have missed over the last two days: What is the reason for the delay in the new ICANN tlds coming on line? ICANN delay, or registry problems? i.e. who is controlling the schedule?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) ICANN delay
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) ICANN delays, as always.
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) rodin paper is also MS Explorer optimized.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) encourage the board to authorize the staff with to negotiate with no further board *what*? I missed that last word.
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) Greg: their businesses may fail because they are trying to compete on price, and Icann review board applauded it
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) If ICANN were to handle the second coming of Christ, they would make him arrive late.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) VeriSign should not be allowed to profit until they give up the registry
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) .com will always be the main one tho ...
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:09) im surprised there arent any advertisements on the webcast... that would help pay some bills right?!
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) dream on Kendal
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) Just remember....ICANN "can" approve agreements, but it is the DOC that will have to put it's seal on it...
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) jeez lou, don't give them any ideas
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) I frankly write the DOC monthly...
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) Afilias, ack.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) lou, they are "non-profit"
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) all you'll get are netsol commercials
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) I suddenly feel ill.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:10) .biz .shop .this .that bah the ammount of money that will take to brand is enough to put a company out of business
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) I suddenly felt ill too
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) These new registries want the new contracts approved without any more board involvement OR PUBLIC COMMENT.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) They are all a bunch of thieves.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) soutris im speaking of using it to better hte org or produce better material / marketing
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) this is going to be a mess
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) lou, are you Greek?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) "without board involvement" ???!!!
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) soitris 50% and 50% french canad
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) Sunrise, geez.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:11) There go the generics.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:12) Chris, did you get that quote?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:12) there go all the "good" names
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:12) so what's the point of introducing new TLDs?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:12) .. ir we paid the people we need to now let us screw the general public please
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:12) ie
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) Gag me with a spoon ....
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) Does sunrise include generics? How can CocaCola claim "drink.tld" ??
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) ditto
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) kendall if they can then that is a discrace
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) just watch them
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) rediculous
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) i wonder who will claim car
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) .tld
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) With the Sunrise period, no TLD will ever become the TLD for the people.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) ICANN got paid for the applications, registries get tm money for sunrise.
<Strepsil> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) New TLDs mean the registrars can convince people to pay even more times for a single domain name, once they convice people that other evil folk will 'steal' their identity if they don't grab them all first.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:13) That's why .web has so much potential for the regular folk.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) I might have to write Sen. Daschle once again....This is BS...I don't care what it takes....
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) And of course Verisign will suggest buying your name in ALL tlds.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) might?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) write him!
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) will
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) additional resolution ? sheesh .. they are crooked enuf now
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) kendall of course
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:14) I will not buy any new TLD names
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) afterall i have jonpostel.org!!!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) This is so "show and tell".
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) all it will lead to is more costs for businesses in a period when things arent going well if these came out a year ago people would eat them up
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) what more do i need?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) Even Vint's "thank you very much" tone etc.
<KevinAllen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) more domains lol
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) The .name presentation is avaialable at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/name-newTLDs.html>. It is also linked off this agenda.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) oh great!
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) are they going to read any remote comments on this topic?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) .pro?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) Ben, let me ask you. Are these archives subject to removal according to ICANN's whim. Or are the webcast sponsers dedicated to maintaining the public record?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:15) domains going belly up every day ..........they may have problems
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) never
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) What is sad, is the why wasn't there a forum for those requesting a reconsideration, to make a formal request in front of the BOARD..
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) .hot
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) Be back shortly
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) .Lou please
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) I am working to redo those presentations that are currently not compatible with Netscape. They will all be viewable with both Netscape and Explorer within the next few minutes. Sorry about that.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) Michael .. they have run out of time before
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) .sot please
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) i like .moo
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) This meeting is brought to you by VeriSign and WIPO and the symbol $.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) (no drunks)
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) i wonder is anyone has trademarked the $ symbol yet
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) MS maybe ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:16) .sot (but no drunks please)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) Are they all reading from the same script? Sounds like it.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) Someone trademarked: : (
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) what is this crap!!! commercial time?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) TEST IT! IOD has been doing it for years!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) I think the company is called Grief, Inc.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) hrmm they throw up the beautiful one to promote .pro heh
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) "test the concept".....please...the alt's have already done this....argghh!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) no kidding they're ready to start selling!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:17) .pro will flop
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) there goes that smug look again
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) .arrow?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) Chris, you must have a stomach of steel.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) .aero
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) .coop? the commies got in?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) arrow lol
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) only one that wont golf.pro
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) oh yeah
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) Chris, we're with you!
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) web.pro wow you get 2 good names from it
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) icann embarrasses themselves every day.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) Ben, I"ve posted a comment, but it is not appearing
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) chris - i got 2 new .web's yesterday !
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) is someone speaking on the .web behalf today?
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) Chris, I for one, will continue a fight.....A renewed letter campaign....
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:18) 2 more?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) wasn't that yesterday sm?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) or was it the day before?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) again im a bit behind forgive me
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) 2 days ago we both did
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) ahh, ty my designated memory
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) I say to everyone here, we must make a stand now.......Yes, we need ICANN, but somehow we need to be heard!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) memory?
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) yeah that est zone
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) ;-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) how's mnemics.com
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) legit question Q. How many users can even spell Museum correctly
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:19) nice sotiris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) I actually registered that last week... so much for a shortage
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) BEN?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) I want Touton-is-a-liar.pro
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) not many i always get the eu mixed
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) it's for sale
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) public time
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:20) They'll cut it off before it is seen, never mind read
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) how many comments will they take?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) so far none that I can see
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) onlything i wanted was SHow.Biz :)
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) Mine did not post
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) so register it if it's available
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) That's a good point - so much stuff at the last minute - how to organize the comments on the documents?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:21) its not
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) sorry :(
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) oh eya im excited
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) leah what part do you play in biz ?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) any
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) AtlanticRoot Network, Inc, IS .BIZ
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) the real one
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) Not Neustar... they are trying to steal it.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) not the ICANN clone
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:22) ok im still catching up :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:23) oh please!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:23) get this guy out of there!!!
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:23) For once I agree with Steve M. and M. Cade: we are not yet able to digest the agreements.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) I agree
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) Will wonders never cease, me too.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) .TV?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) the phony gTLD?
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) Why aren't some unsuccessful applicants allowed to participate in negotiation of 'template' agreements?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) .tv was pretty outspoken against icann in the application process.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) go get em!
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) hehe you can private chat cool
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) bill glass
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:24) second cousin to new.net
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) Chris, are you in line to speak?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) What would you have me say, Sotiris?
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) aren't .TV and new.net the same?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) We should not be rushed into anything agreement with VeriSign -- regardless of what Touton or Sims says.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) will i get the 2 .web names iregistered when and if it gets sapproved chris ?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) lol...vint just dismissed him
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) owned by the same people
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:25) What a shame.
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) well .. same guy set it up I should say
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) "we'll take that up"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) whetehr a reconsideration of your application is an option, or whether you'll have to up 50k again?
<jesswest> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) .tv is a corp - public
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) You can say what was in your reconsideration request. How key information was not presented correctly
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) loun, yes.
<SimonHiggs> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) part of idealab tho'
<MichaelFroomkin> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) goodnight all.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) That's a bogus answer. Why would reconsiderations come *after* new contracts?!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) Nic, you already pointed out that it's in our reconsideration request - why restate it and waste their time?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) good night Michael
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) nite michael
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) cyagoodnight
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) so they can say we reconsidered but its too late
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:26) Chris, will you have to shell out another 50k?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) Who knows?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) ask
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) More for the public record if anything
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) Just remember, they weren't rejected.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) exactly
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) 50k is relatively cheap if they get approved though no? granted its out of pocket but still
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) vint is stalling
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) not outright
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) They werent rejected I love the play on words
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) what's new
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) Judith, they werent precisely approved either.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:27) The question, when asked, is always answered, "We have no idea right now."
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) If they werent rejected, then I imagine they wont have to pay another 50K
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) yes
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) they shouldnt have to
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) that's logical
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) who are the people that make up the "staff"? anybody know?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) The 50K would indicate that they WERE rejected.
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) Dig deep Chris.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) You can bet some new company ala Afilias will be there for round 2
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) I understand that 50,000 was ample for each applicant as if they were to be chosen, basically enough money to cover them in the "whole" process why then are they holding nearly 2 million dollars?
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:28) Even Vint is beginning to disappoint me with the rhetoric.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) wb greg
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) thanks...I got the boot!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) wow, Amadeo got really fat in 6 months!
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) lol
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) the camera puts on 100 punds
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) hahaha
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) pounds
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:29) ek
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:30) Michael: are the individuals that make up the "staff" listed on Icannwatch?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:30) michael left
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:30) ICANN can hire me as their dietician and personal trainer (I used to be one)
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:30) Maybe the remote participants should put forward a picture of themselves before each meeting so everyone can make personal comments on their appearance also.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:30) Ray, which staff?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:31) no prob here Darryl
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:31) the people running IcannWatch.com Judith
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:31) the staff the Board members keep referring to about decisions or recommendations
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:31) Not to endores new.net but they can release Tlds? virtually without a hitch and ICANN it's years and hurdle afre hurdle
<Dassa_Lynch> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) The difference is new.net doesn't care about Internet stability.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) Kendall, bios are at ICANNWatch.org. Ray, see that at http://www.icann.org/general/abouticann.htm
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) Well I haven't seen the internet crash yet have you?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) he meant... the ICANN staff sorry.
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) thanks
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) Dassa, neither does ICANN. So what's your point?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) a long time ago ...
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) ICANN=A root
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) ICANN cares about themselves
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:32) michael's comment.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) that is the part I hate
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) Who asked this?
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) back when things were NSI still
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) Michael before he left
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) well maybe if icann didnt drag their shoes there wouldnt be a new.net
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) Good question from prof Froomkin
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) Ah, Michael.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) yes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) they won't answer
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) They will dance around this one
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:33) they'll hedge
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:34) Here we go
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:34) That's *Professor* Froomkin, Mr. Cerf.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:34) Go get the IP people Karl!
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:34) Karl A men!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:35) toutonology
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:35) LoL
<baptista> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:35) i think new.net is great
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:35) he's like 10,000 tiny thorns
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:35) Make up a bunch of general BS and state known facts
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:35) Why don't he rename himself to Louis Icann?
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) Mr Smug again
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) that didn't answer the question
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) Doesn't answer Karls question at all.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) no, that didn't answer the question
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) what would he do if i registered totutonology.com? UDRP?
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) You would be JDRP eeeed
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) .biz is not new!
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) neither was .web
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) of course not - not the time
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:36) .biz has been around for how long now Leah?
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) Move right past that question just great
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) when is the time to discuss karl's concerns? any of them?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) Vint is very disappointing here.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) yes he is
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) next meeting... posh hotel
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) yes
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) nothing like in november
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) not to his employers
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) He runs a "tight" ship....this must be the first time, "time" has been an issue..
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) I guess the last meeting was an act he was feelking good about being chairman
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) Sims gets all the time that he wants though
<RebeccaNesson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:37) Joe Sims' presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/sims-verisigns-agmts-pf.html>. It is also linked off the agenda of this meeting.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) Question: If Roberts is not CEO anymore I assume he is still with ICANN?
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) Vint's comfortable now, since he learned about the history of the internet a week or two ago.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) an advisorory capacity
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) Link is Broken.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) Who is Sims really representing?
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) Froomkin's questions went unanswered
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) keith take out hte > at hte end ...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) JRDP
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) they all do, ray
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:38) don't they always?
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) hey how longs this webcast going to be
<RayFassett> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) I know....
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) You know something....I was very much against, new net (the way they went about things), however after watching this debacle....What choice will one have in the future??
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) I was being funny I know he is with JDRP but you follow me I hope
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) I wonder if we will all be here 5 years from now, wondering when the next round will be.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) I do... but they are all just serving themselves and getting paid
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) Vint is beginning to really get me now
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) As in the SECOND round.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) He's dissed Karl all day (night)
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) So Roberts and Touton will still influence things in their own sinister way?
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) got it thanks
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:39) why not write somethign so that when a user types in a domain that doesnt exixt they automatically get forwarded to a registrar or perhaps get forwarded to a bunch of similar sounding domains ... someone can make a killing with that
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) Vint is owned
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) he is property
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) i think you are right.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) here is how it works: VeriSign [$$$$] ===> JRDP
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) A Shame I was thinking their was hope for him
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) Vint did save dot web....(IMHO)....but where he stands now....I am not sure...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) hope? nope.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) Me too, but I'm convinced now
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) I think ICANN thinks the IP people got their sunrise, now shut up, while the IPers think they've got juice. Hmmm.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:40) Greg, it's obvious where he stands now
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) yup
<KaoruAkami> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) The link to Sim:s presenbtation does not appear to work. BobC
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) But I am gals the .web situation is on the public record where IOD was recogonized
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) I guess Vint won't be invited to IOD's Christmas party this year.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) glad not gals lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) Hi David, when did you get here?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) Vint is bought and paid for... all of them are (except Karl)
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) Nor ARNI's
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) they said... "shut up Vint... here, have some money"
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) A few minutes ago.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) id like an invitation to the party i wont go but would frame the invite :)
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:41) Well, I am not ready to say that Vint has gone cold on IOD.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) say, i'd like an invite too
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) .....The thing with ICANN is they move to slow....The internet to survive moves faster than it....I am afraid, that the internet will splinter....No I am sure of it now...
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) Perhaps not, Tom, but he's not friendly either
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) Soitris you still have ties int the dietary area?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) yes
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) It is so eeasy to see , how ICANN is worried for Verisign because they now have to compete and suck at it. No protectiuon is deserved it is such a facade
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) no Greg, its two steps forward, one step back - psyche! you missed it, its done already.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) ICANN moves slower than even the DMV
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:42) Greg, it has splintered and it's because ICANN has set a precedent for it with introducing colliders
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) That's why it seems okay for new.net to do it
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) It doesn't matter! If 99% of the Internet population is opposed to it: you don't do it!
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) Next will be .com/net/org by some other registry
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) The only thing about new net is that IT WILL FAIL....
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) how do you know Greg?
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) My issue is that we need a unified internet....
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:43) Email...
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) yes, greg we do. but it won't be through ICANN
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) I see that new.net is offering registrations in prior tlds but no one stops them I wonder if they offered .com and .net lol
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) people can't even program there remote control, let a alone, download some software
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) I read it..we can discuss it offline. I don't buy it.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) China broke off. Other countries will
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) roots are popping up literally every day
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:44) The other thing is too many New Net TLDs are being bought on speculation....That spells disaster...
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) Check out eBay...
<urgen> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) NewCANN
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) They only difference with new.net is they do start off with 16 million compared to a smaller amount who knows where it will go
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) Any solutions...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) BuyCANN is more like it
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) greg, speculation is not the issue. collisions is the issue
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) New.net is doing some of things ICANN is guilty of
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) Greg, speculation doesn't spell disaster. As a matter of fact, risk makes it all possible.
<louneofotistos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) i tried to register ICANNT.org but someone beat me too it
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:45) I agree, with the collision issue...
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:46) there could be 1000 roots if they agreed not to load colliders
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:46) reality though is MONEY....is what is driving new net, and ICANN (i.e verisign)
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:46) It does make new.net look stupid when they argued against ICANN with others in the same boat
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:46) the issue is the single DNS (name space)
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) Maybe someon shopuld duplicate .TV see how they feel
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) ICANN set the pace for the new.nets of the world
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) WIll you again be appearing for congress....As a female business owner, I think congress should be aware of what they are going to do to your business..
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) Leah, anybody at Radcliffe ever get a hold of you?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) they said it's okay to have colliders and roots are completely autonomous
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) no David
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:47) Registry + Registrar = Bigger Monopoly = VeriSign
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) Leah they are going ahead with their plans unless a third party can stop them
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) I may end up at a Senate hearing. don't know
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) The Senate was weak and uninformed
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) Nic, sure they are
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) You did very good at your last meeting....
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) Nic, clueless? :)
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) indeed
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) Very Good actually Excellent
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) thanks, greg
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) yes, excellent
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) Clueless?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:48) Hey Darryl... go ahead and make fun of me: http://www.hermesnetwork.com/me.html
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) Boxer was in bed with Cochetti... it was sick.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) there is a letter to congress at http://www.pacificroot.com/collider if you want to endorse it
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) Boxer had one concern. Her name being registered by another.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) All this "technical" stuff is making my eyes glaze over......Senator from Montana
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) She was sooooo single-minded.
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) Kendall, she was closed minded and hung up on personal name "ownership"
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) That was because of a lack of knowledge
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) She has no clue about the internet
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:49) ZERO.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) I emailed her and told her something to that effect.
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) and roger's wonderful company verisign saved her "my hero!"
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) hehe, that was the committee chairman - burns
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) It was dissapointing to see only two Senators show up
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) yes, it was
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) What happened to the scribes notes?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) mine stopped with karl's question
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) here too
<BRoseman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:50) he's letting the summary presentation speak for itself
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:51) here too
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:51) Third choice... extend the deal until such a time that the DNSO and the public can make an informed decision
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:51) So what precisely is the GOAL of this conference?
<BRoseman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:51) yeah, we suggested that at the names council
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:51) I mean, the last conference objectives were clear.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:51) This one?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) imo 1) shove affilias down our throats 2) allow verisign to alter their agreements
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) "slick willy"
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) $2000 suit??
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) We will make your life better..
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) Purpose of converence? To keep Judith awake all night.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) Trust..
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:52) Sklavos? is he greek?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) They are NOT doing the "internet community" at large any favors! Everyone HATES them!
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) We don't need anyone else...Verisign is God
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) whose this guy?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) CEO of VeriSign
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) How many of you are mad they sold your private info....So much for trust..
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) I for one get spammed incessantly...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:53) "billions and billions"
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) ICANN is slowly strangling freedom and competition on the Web and the world needs to wake up
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) The internet community hates you!
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) LOL.
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) What an insipid statement from him.
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) Basically we own you
<KeithTeare> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) He is Greek
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) "That was then, this is now"
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) omg i have to bite my tongue
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) All your domains are belong to us!
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) or ben will boot me
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:54) lol..
<sm> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) hehe marcia
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) Oh the Front Man Maybe we should spam his e-mail address. Pull an ala EDTV on these people
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) According to every registry that's spoken this evening they are all G-d's gift to the world and the people can't thank them enough or get to them soon enough. As I noted earlier, they've all based their speeches on the same script.
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) only thing worse than touton's smug face is the face of the guy who bought him
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) I thought this was going to be a SHORT comment..
<BRoseman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) why does verisign get so much time to plead their case?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) short: 20 minutes...
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) QUALITY ?!?!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) relatively
<BRoseman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) why aren't they just one among many in the public comments
<TomOcc> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) must run.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) they're not a public
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:55) It amazes me that only 4 or so questions have been read from posted comments
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) Public? comments?
<BRoseman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) you have to submit your question in a different forum than the chat
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) This is all Anti copmetitive , Anti Trust stuff. The Ole Biys club at it's worst
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) Yet.. VeriSign is allowed to have every member of thier board speak
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) Share holders=internet community
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) I did and there are many submitted
<BRoseman> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) hrmm
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) ICANN Poster Boy: Mr. March: http://www.hermesnetwork.com/me.html
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) Meaning.....we will get this deal done..
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:56) or else
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) Ah they get morale and confidence. Money I'm sure is an afterthought. When is this guy running for office?
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) i've submitted two
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) nothing read
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) If your not 'In" your Out
<AndrewBoden> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) QUIT
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) They are scared about .Web
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) It does not matter what the public thinks or wants. ICANN will do what it likes based on "consensus." IOW, the staff and board
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) Excuses....excuses....They are still using that old adage..."We're the only ones that can handle the registry"
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:57) Everyone here supports the original deal. Everyone on the public forums is opposed to VeriSign. Why do we have to listen to this garbage?
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:58) Their version of what "consensus" means and whom they rely on for that "consensus" is almost criminal
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:58) Exactly!
<MarciaLynn> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:58) ben/becca - where are the scribed notes?
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:58) Mr. Sims is doing the dealing and ICANN is expected to approve it?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:58) their community consists of the board
<DavidCorish> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:58) .WEB, the hot potato.
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) I like Choice C no more ICANN
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) Joe Sims is a liar!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) Yesterday he said the opposite.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) no kidding! he's a lawyer...
<GregKrajewski> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) Becca/Ben....PLEASE read my submission about the Reconsideration Request for Image Online Design...
<NicR> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) You can have Choice Z but it isn't a real choice
<JudithOppenheimer> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) And the board can present something else to Verisign for it to review.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) does anyone wish to submit me as poster boy for ICANN? LOL
<KendallDawson> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) I tried that yesterday Greg.. they take them in the order that they are submitted
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Sun, March 11, 2001 at 23:59) and it will be a done deal by the time we see it
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:00) Greg don't waste your finger strokes it won't happen
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:00) KARL! KARL! KARL!
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:00) they pick and choose questions
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:00) this is getting good
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:00) GO KARL!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:01) Forget the Internet users... we care about the shareholders!
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:01) u just wanna dump the losers and keep the winners
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:01) So does IOD...Don't they run a business!!!! For god sakes..
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:01) GOOD!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:01) And other businesses have had the understanding that they can buy the registrar.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:01) Layoff the employees! Thas is not our problem!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) Stick to the White paper . I don't undertsand why there is no oversight when they do things aginst the white paper?
<MarciaLynn> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) they have jobs because of US !
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) indeed
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) They haven't done any favors for me.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) Just another smooth Greek tactician this guy!!! no wonder Clinton had Stephanopoulos! Sincere, huh? damn!
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) For community comments, go to the ICANN board...
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) They make my life difficult.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:02) Mnay shareholders are probably internet users who don;;t have a clue anyway
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) so they should have started last summer
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) Sims version of the facts that is
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) oh my, what a tap dance
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) someone should buy the whois list and spam the users to tell them whats really going on
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) WHERE ARE THE SCRIBE NOTES?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) go Karl!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) I second that!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) The Joe-di mind trick
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:03) Why wasn't that offer presented to the board?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:04) In case anyone wishes to get hold of me at any time (you'll never forget my unique email address!): socrates@greekphilosophy.com No joke!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:04) ICANN has violated the white paper more than once and it about to do it again where are the ICANN police?
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:04) ...because they were concerned about their employees..sure
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:04) ICANN has violated all papers, white, blue, green, pink, toilet...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) who is this guy?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) Yes but this is the problem since the first time they did that no one held them accountable, give an inch take a mile I guess
<anon346> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) CEO of Verisign
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) not him... the coloured gentleman
<anon346> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) Nii Quayor
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) ah
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:05) Not our problem if his company goes belly-up and he lays off employees
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) Verisign knew all this before they bought nsi
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) Maybe we should call it the Sims/Touton/Roberts paper
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) or better yet Toilet paper
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) every company has a business plan
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) in other words.. papier sante?
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) Want a simple solution?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) I am supposed to give up all my rights so he can offer his employees jobs
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) disingenuous? this guy's charming, eh?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:06) a drop in the bucket
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) not
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) enter the 500 TLDs that already exist and it will immediately negate any monopoly problems
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) you bought the contract
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) it's to the public benefit that verisign maintain theor monopoly of com...
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) They are seeking protection from ICANN because they can't compete. Well lower prices and fix customer service stop looking for a handout you schmuck
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) oh boohoo
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) Rigged Bid is more like it
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:07) nai re malaka!
<louneofotistos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) will someone give Amadeo my email address, i can help him.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) How about Chris Ambler
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) wait a minute!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) Chris left..
<DuaneConnelly> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) Will we have a link to Amadeu's charts? BobC
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) Chris tell him: socrates@greekphilosophy.com
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:08) they did nothing with org except remove the restrictions
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) oh yes, full transparency
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) What did he say?
<BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) amadeu's slides are linked from the agenda (and have been for some time)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) all charts and progress open to the public
<RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) Amadeu Abril i Abril's presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/amadeu-vsgrs.html>. It is also linked off the agenda of this meeting.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) ask Amadeu what happened with barcelona.com?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:09) I got a file not found Rebecca
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:10) Thank god for that huh
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:10) Where are the SCRIBE
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:10) no... he's a Spainsh lawyer.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:10) Spanish
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:11) OK, What *did* he say?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:11) everything and nothing
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:11) like Zarathustra
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:11) I had difficulty understaning it too Judith
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:11) Doesn't the Verisign deal flow more money directly to ICANN?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:11) yes
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) what did he say that got the laugh?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) VeriSign [$$$$$] ==> ICANN
<RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) Sorry about the error in the URL. It is at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/amadeu-vsgrs.htm>. not html. You can always get it through the link off the agenda.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) hahahahahahahahaha
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) thank you
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) creative lawyers!!!!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:12) No Checks and Balances this organization is Broken
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:13) Most of the SCRIBE notes are missing? Why?
<BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:13) missing from wehre?
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:13) The scribe notes in the web cast space
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:13) What about the individuals? Why don't we get a say in this? We are the ones who will be the most affected by this!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:13) You left off a bit after Froomkin and jsut filled in some more and much more was covered than is there
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:13) normailize a relationship with the hand that feeds you... interesting.
<KevinAllen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:14) hey when are they discussing the newtlds?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:14) yes! let's hear from the audience!
<KevinAllen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:14) sorrry was afk
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:15) Did you here that verisign is creating 1000 new jobs this year!!! MSNBC news reported on it last week...There question was how they could be doing this when all other tech companies are laying off....
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:15) No they are discussing VeriSign agreement
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:15) Who is this he wants to herar from the audience. I still want to know who gave these people the right to change the white paper in essence
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:15) Joe Sims did
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:15) he's Moses
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) just go with option A, then at the end of that term, renogotiate the terms or put out for bid. how hard is this?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) didn't you know?
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) I do like this guy's multilingual abilities...
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) There must be accountability. This is like corruption in some Third world Gov.
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) thats right ray
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) they bought the contract live with it
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:16) Go with option A with a slight difference: in 2007 take the registry AWAY from NSI
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:17) works for me
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:17) Oh no Touton again Yikes
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:17) Is there going to be an opportunity to read questions posted remotely?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:17) You can tell he's lying... his lips are moving again.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:18) These lawyers one works for Verissign one works for ICANN who have mutual interest but who works for the people
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:18) Karl
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:18) Lonely Karl Poor guy
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:18) yeah cause the option b as he read it states, in 2007 if they are satisfied with the operation of .com that verisign be given preference to renew the contract
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:18) But they don't listen to him... there isn't enough time.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:18) I lost my connection, what did I miss?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:19) ha, not much
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:19) There isn't enough voting power that is why the bylaws were changed to begin with
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:19) Touton lied
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:19) read my last post.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:19) Leah, I don't have your last post - and Kendall, lied about what? (this time, anyway?)
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:19) In each new meeting ICANN is morebrazen in their flat out lying becasue they are never held accountable
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:20) yes
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:20) I just posted a second comment
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:20) Doc in bed with ICANN/VeriSign ?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:20) He tried to tell them that option B is the better of the 2.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:20) of course
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) Are there KPI's to go with these agreement 'options' with Verisign
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) bottom up?????
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) bottoms-up!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) See Kendall that goes to Show that iCANN represents Verisign and not the Interent Community
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) how many here have been consulted in any meaningful way?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) You're preaching to the choir my friend.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) not i
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) and i'm a meaningful guy
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:21) ICSANN has destroyed any hope for Trust long ago
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) unforgettable anyway
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) Maybe by bottom-up they mean bend over ... ?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) Isn't Roberts the EX-CEO ?
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22)
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) Trust, confidence - no chance now
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) No, Judith, they mean for us to bend over
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) But he is still with them nothing changes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) no, it was a sp error... they meant: "bottoms up"
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:22) Should we profile a different Director each month on Anal.XXX?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) they were toasting
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) They need to be slammed with lawsuits from all ends
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) That's what I meant.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) their success
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) bad taste, David
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) Why were all the deals done behind closed doors?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) Not any worse than ICANN
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) Kendall, because they could
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) They answer to no one
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) We can critique this process all we want, but it is very apparent we need to discuss, What they heck should we do???
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:23) Yes Leah, I know. However, that's what .XXX is for!
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) icann.xxx
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) there is starting over and there is getting it RIGHT the second one is mission critical and time critical BUT do-able It's called due dillegence AND progress for the Internet community
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) we must sue
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) I think that may be one option
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) option c
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) Greg -- short of doing an end run around them and convincing everyone to switch to alternative roots - nothing.
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) we need to get organized..
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) greg, you can send me an email at: sotiris@hermesnetwork.com and i'll add you to my announce list for the class-action
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:24) I still wonder why none of these rejected applicants has at the very least sued since it is obvious the money was virtually stolen when they explained that 50grand was sufficent to take a applicant through the whole process in that case they shouldn't need nearly 2 million left over
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:25) not a good reason
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:25) DotTV....we need to contact them....
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:25) Here we go. Let's see what staff does with this.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:25) They signed on the dotted line and forfeited that right
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:25) Good.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:26) :-)
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:26) But the 50,000 was funding enough to take an apllicant throught the "whole" process as if they might get picked so now Roberts calims the leftover money is needed for Contracts this is plainly wrong
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:26) Nice smile Judith.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:27) Good question!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:27) Louis we need you to lie.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:27) These guys are looking for every excuse in the book to help Verisign
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:28) It is disgusting
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:28) Really folks...think about how many times we have come to this "chat room"....the posting on the ICANN board.....really what has it gotten us??? I hate wasting time, and I think we are doing just that...
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:28) Has Ken Stubbs given them all table dances yet?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:28) where is stubbs today?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:29) but, it makes us feel better to do this as a group
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:29) Are they now lloking for an option of a glass wall? More like a facade wall
<KevinAllen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:29) Ken stubbs has rigged it so he will make his $$$ cut with afilias
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:29) No doubt How did that pass muster? he is with ICANN and on the Afilias board I don't get it
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:29) Separate ownership? NSI owns one.. and Verisign owns the other?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:30) It's the same thing , this is all lawyer BS
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:30) good for this guy!!!!
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:30) Thanks, Rebecca.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:30) Good question Bret.
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:30) sounds like a sale/leaseback
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:30) Bret, did Sims get anywhere near answering at least part of your question?
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) can't wait to hear the answer
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) exactly Nigel!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) Whio is this guy I like it
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) private person
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) Nigel Roberts
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) Cerf did. He said it wouldn't be possible to do that.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) Woooooohhhhh
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) ha!!! good one
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) I like this guy! We should elect him to the Board!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:31) Who is I want to virtually shake his hand
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) A ken Stubbs Insider
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) Vint can be awfully flip with serious questions.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) yeah, he's quite a wit
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) true
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) poor CRM
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) Your Correct Judith They laugh it away
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:32) If I was that guy I would be incensed
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) Heck what am I saying I am
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) I think they will eventually laugh themselves into obsolescence
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) Yeah, Vint is pretty detached, affected.
<GregKrajewski> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) Well.....best wishes to everyone.....Can't wait for Sweden in June, when I can tune in to see, what progress has been made....
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) I would go back to the mic and start yelling.. "you think this is funny! This isn't a joke!"
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) c ya greg
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) bye greg
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) I do find the protocol of restraint tiresome.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:33) Nite Greg.
<KevinAllen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:34) why cant we just start a icann coup and body slam the board members and take over lol
<KevinAllen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:34) keep cerf, and karl
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:34) a hostile takeover?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:34) Who is she?
<KevinAllen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:34) rest out!
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:35) Marilyn Cade
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:35) AT&T
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:35) I read AT&T just cut a deal with New.net.
<anon346> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:36) Where?
<Bret> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:36) Excite@Home is the new.net partner. AT&T is a major stakeholder in Excite@Home.
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:36) Deal posted on New.net site.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:36) uh oh... IP people... they give me the creeps
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:37) Roberto?
<Strepsil> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:37) I have a new and profound understanding of the phrase "Impotent Fury".
<sm> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:38) they dont want feedback, they only read one posted question
<BRoseman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:38) where did you see te att deal?
<Strepsil> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:38) Are full transcripts going to be available at any point, does anyone know?
<DavidCorish> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:38) Well, goodnight folks. I have an ICANN-disadvantaged business to run tomorrow.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:39) goodnight David
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:39) IIn some ways I hate to say because I don't fully agree with some of the decions that new.net has taken however it is apparent that the only hope for change is if people/companies take into their own hands and make it for themselves on another note The issue of the Senate conccerns me when you have a Direcotor in ICANNtell a story of how bad things ar Karl A is more than a whistle blower he is still their ,\. You eould think Congress woud say Wow this is serious
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:40) IOdesign !!!!!!!!!!!!!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:40) Yes!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:40) damn good point
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:40) Yes but IOD can have the RRP working
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:40) I hope Chris is hearing this
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:40) (my support for Chris notwithstanding)
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:41) See IOD is dammed if it does and Dammed if it doesn't No Option
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:41) Option "C" --- none of the above!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:41) Hans and Franz must go
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:41) I just want to say that I appreciate and rspect the comments of everyone who particiapted in this List. I want to apologize for my sometimes flippant comments... but in my defence i would like to cite the general frustration of many of the atlarge and the public in general with regards to these and similar ICANN proceedings. Please excuse my concerned zealotry.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:42) I am committed to a free flow of Information on the Web.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:42) When Nigel Roberts made those comments I alsmost thought he was going to say ICANN is a front for VeriSign
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:43) He is right once they do the VERising deal it will never be changed
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:43) once the ink dries... forget it.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:43) very true. more reason never to do it in the first place.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:44) They are effectively hoping to take things right back to where they started
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:44) Afilias is Anti Trust
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:44) clap clap clap
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:45) Option "C" -- none of the above
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:46) Get em Yes
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:46) Oh now it doesn't hold water Cerf unbelievable
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:47) why not create an new TLD instead?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:47) So now they want to Displace .org holders because they need to Kiss verisign's ass
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:47) OK, what did she say?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:47) When NSI had people register in .org
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:47) that she is opposed and that we need to reconsider the deal
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:48) How nice , his discalimer lol
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:48) There is no competition!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:49) They aqquired namesecure Oh shit I didn't know that No wonder why Customer service sucks now
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:49) let's not forget the resale business: "greatdomains.com"
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:49) Bulkregister.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:49) And now NSI is allowed into the Afilias monopoly
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:49) this guy needs to step back from the mic!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:50) It's time for the Justice Dept and someone their njot in anyones pocket
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:50) Vint, please ...
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:50) It has ALL the relevance in the world! VeriSign is a monopoly!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:50) Why isn't there another option why jsut two who says there can't be more options to review
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:51) And the fact is the whitepaper never gave another option to begin with!!!!!!!!
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:51) yep
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:51) any reasonable person would extend
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:51) For once I agree with Palage.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:52) Why doesn't any of these people back things up to the white paper and how they are viloating it
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:52) That's a first.
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:52) the two options are not options
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:52) ask the white paper qustion
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:52) ICANN delays the TLD process, then wants to rush this process!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:52) nicr: ask the white paper question
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) Gene How true !
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) yes gene, it's in their interest
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) Sims is trying to push this through
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) yep
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) short-term thinking.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) GreatDomains.com -- the chance to hoard even more names!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) no kidding
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) Any objectivve observer without any background knowledge would get the impression that ICANN is in Verisign's pocket
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:53) they are facts Vint!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) they are NicR
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) and register.com bought afternic.com they both are gearing up for full auctions you will see
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) why let fact get in the way?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) Debate and scrutiny of facts is exactly what should happen.
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) after all, vint supported clinton and gore
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) We don't need no steenking facts!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:54) Who's that?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:55) Hans K.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:55) Kraaijenbrink that is.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:55) Why hasn't ICANN stepped in and not stopped NSI from offering thousands of domains for sale on greatdomains.comand customers cannnot buy these domains at any other register thus excluding competition
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:55) oh come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:55) Hans is trying to look like he cares yeah right
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:56) Hans is flat out lying here - he knows darn well there are such allegations
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:56) no letter = no soup for you
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:56) There have been complaints about NSI hoarding expired domains, haven't there?
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:56) wasn't there a lawsuit started in Atlanta?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:56) ICANN has not stopped NSI from sellling domains that other registers are not allowed to offer?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:56) LOTS of them!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:57) Why haven'
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:57) t at the very least other registers cry out foul?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:57) Why havent other registers complained about this?
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:57) why is the scribe not entering this?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:57) Not to mention all the individuals who have been trying to buy domains for years
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:58) This is all a Fix
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:58) WHY IS THE SCRIBE NOT ENTERING THIS???
<BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:58) the scribe is entering this. what makes you think anything the contrary?!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) Ben, for good blocks of time we don't see it.
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) not anything since F. Froomkin (#1227) on my screen
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) Since they their has been no formal objection to NSI's current greatdomains action they will proceed to auction all these hoarder names Just wait and see
<BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) you see it when i press enter.
<BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) that's by design, and it's reflective of the way i designed the system.
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) Sorry, ben. everything else was coming up so quicly, i was wondering what was happening. MY MISTAKE COMPLETELY!
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) Got it.
<BenEdelman> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 00:59) maybe i should have done it differently, but this is the eway it always has been, since the scribe-to-irc system was intrtoduced last year.
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) NO, My MISTAKE BEN!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) Ben, you're doing a great job.
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) YES!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) The audacity of kraaijenbrinks statement is unbelievable
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) Hans seems to see things with filters on
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) He must be bought and paid for
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:00) Judith!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:01) Judith point out Hans statements on your website
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:01) Please
<AllYourTLDsAreBelongToUs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:01) For justice, J
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:02) How funny nice name talk about viral marketing going on
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:02) Rootin Touton
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:02) start lying louis
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:02) He has the permasmug look
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:02) lol
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:03) Can't you see him laughing inside like the devil
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:03) did he answer the question?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:03) Respond about hoarded domain names Jerko
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:03) Mr Slick! Nice Armani suit.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:03) LIAR LIAR
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:04) he has no heart so maybe he isn't lying
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:04) Anyone who'd like to submit a commentary, article, editorial etc., on this for publication in ICB, feel free to email to me at joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com.)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) icbtollfree.com is an excellent news source, way to go Judith, I'm a fan.
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) And is it any wonder!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) wow! this goes beyond lying! Is there such a thing?
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) oh geez...how ridiculous
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) I am sure no one will take my question because I am incognito but I wish somoen would ask about hoarded domains and the current situation taking pace on great domans
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) Thank you SS.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) no, thank you Judith
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) (is his nose growing yet?)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) he will supply the truth
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:05) keep it up
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:06) Oh no more Diarreh of the mouth here
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:06) what did he say - was it in english?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:06) Roberts needs some Pepto bismol
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:07) Who is Sclavos where did he come from How did he get his cash?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:07) Judith, send me an email at sotiris@hermesnetwork.com so i can add you to my List
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:07) No don't answer I know he is the CEO but who is he?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:07) Michael Roberts
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:07) Hi Chris.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:07) No I am talking about the background of CEO Verisign Mr wonder boy
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:08) in greek the word "Sclavos" is actually spelt with a "k"= Sklavos: which means "slave"...
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:08) As in Corporate front man you think
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:08) is there an error in the spelling of his name Ben?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:08) I mean what and who is Verisign where did they come from and what is his history
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:09) Geez, I wonder why? could it be security? customer service?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:09) How about selling your personal data?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:09) how about it?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:09) NSI is good at it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:09) that's the biggest privacy breach i've ever heard of!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) Shoot she is basically saying that now ICANN is even bypassing the DNSO they are really gettting even more out of hand
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) no wonder there's so much spam!
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) Thank you Erica...
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) and the DNSO is bought to that is pretty harsh
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) Chris, are you hearing this?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) Who is Erica Roberts affiliated with?
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) Ex MIT
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) sharp lady
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:10) Melb IT
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) Erica is affliated to Sterling Tecnology and Member of Name Council
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) She is with the DNSO? i think
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) part of AuDa and yes she's part of DNSO
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) This loooks preety bad when the namescouncil who are in bed with ICANN are complaining Wow
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) Duh, integrated is okay?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) Exactly.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) oh yeah
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:11) uh huh
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) I guess they didn't get their piece this time around Greed is a funny thing
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) Crocker Foker
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) ain't it?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) DCrock
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) This guy is a bonehead
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) what a crock!
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) ...and i just ate....
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) you know it
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) Crock shows his colors. Again.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:12) Crok and Crispin two birds of a feather
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) oh really?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) I filter his posts out on the GA list. It's not worth my time.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) LoL
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) Holy shit, I agree with Crocker.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) way to go Karl!
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) I love this new soap opera: NO HONOR AMONG THIEVES
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:13) Karl!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:14) Me? Yes, I'm in the room...
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:14) Judith I know what your saying but he says it because it affect him like things have affected us for so long
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:14) Yo Ambler what's shaking
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:15) Nic, no argument there.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:15) Hypocrites their Hypocrites
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:16) Yeash get away from the issue huh Vint
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:16) tip the flasks if you've got 'em
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:17) I think that NSI is beginning to realize that if the board votes for "option b" they will have a large scale riot on their hands
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:18) This meeting might go on for a while. 10 free .web domain names to anyone in the US who can arrange for a pepperoni pizza to be delivered to Hans K. during the meeting :-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:18) does anybody here still have registrations with NSI?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:18) PS: I'M KIDDING, okay? Let's make sure you all realize that was humour!
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:18) I was going to do it too...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:18) hahahaha
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:18) me 2
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:19) through the web
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:19) with my compliments!!!
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:20) The DNSO will have its work cut out to get any substantive comments in quickly
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:20) who is that in front of the camera?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:20) for sure
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:20) I pulled all my domains out of NSI last year
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:20) so did i (there's maybe one or two left)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) i have to check
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) I don't own any .coms at all.
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) Same here
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) our company did so as soon as it was possible
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) I have .coms, nets and orgs
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) at my insistence
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) I like the ccTLDS and alternatives myself
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) slated for development
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) as I am the chief brand creator
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) I think I've shifted them all but there may be one or two still with them
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:21) I will never use NSI again
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:22) never
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:22) I had a few back when they were $100 a pop
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:22) Me, too Kendall.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:23) We had over 300 at $100 a pop...
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:23) Hey Kendall, I sorta like the "alternatives' myself :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:23) boy are we glad we don't have to keep paying NSI's rates
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:23) LOL
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:23) but we like "Inclusive Name Space" as opposed to the legacy "exclusive" name space :)
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:24) The DNSO being cut out of the LOOP now they know how it feels. Seems their masters ahve turned on them Ha Ha
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:24) INS-TLDs?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:25) Mr Ambler will you beable to speak during this whole process?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:25) Sure, I'll be able, but I can't imagine what I might say that hasn't already been said.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) Would you ask Hans if you can have a slice if a pizza shows up?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) I don't want this to sound bad but what the heck are you doing there then
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) What you're watching is about 10% of what goes on here.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) I see I wasn't fully thinking sorry
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) What kind of "hallway talk" have you heard down there?
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) Well over schedule, I don't imagine there will be much happen from now
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:26) at most
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:27) Any mention of the New.Net TLDS being discussed?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:27) Hans sttaments need to be thrown to the media what a damm liar
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:28) The vast majority of those who might care are sticking their heads in the sand WRT new.net. I make no judgement on that fact, just stating it.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:28) what is WRT
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:28) with regards to
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:28) Im bad lol
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:28) NicR, no worries - better to be here and represent IOD and have nothing to say, than to not be here, and have a need to say something.
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:28) They are on the fence and afraid to piss both sides off as they might lose it WIMPS
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) so chris, how's the beer?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) What about .biz and the Congressional Hearings? any insider info from the hallways?
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) Excellent question
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) about the beer
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) It is mostly VB down there so it would be strong :) (beer)
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) You do very well Mr Ambler I don't know how you put up with it God Bless
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:29) seen any roos?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) hey how about .roo?
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) i like .beer better
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) ;-)
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) Most Aussie beer is okay, but the Tasmanian beer is rather remarkable for a lager. Victoria Bitter isn't bad, for a bitter. NicR, beer helps :-)
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) LOL In Melbourne, only roo's would be in the zoo.
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) bunch of kangaroos on the podium
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) Did anyone find any pictures of Stubbs having sex with a Kangaroo in a hotel room yet?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) hahha
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:30) easy nic
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) he may be a dwarf (as some people contend) but that's not too nice
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) I would feel sorry for the Kangaroo
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) is he really?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) i doan know
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) wow
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) Chris?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) How tall is Ken Stubbs - does anyone know?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) is ken stubbs a dwarf?
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) And besides the point, a person's physical appearance should not enter into the discussion.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:31) true
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) yeah your right everyone need some lovin
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) What? You're asking me how tall he is? Um, I'd guess 5-9 or a little less... why?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) but i was told this and i'm just trying to picture it
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) there is a rumor that he is a dwarf starting here!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) ah so i was lied to
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) How tall are the Kangaroos usually
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:32) lol
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) Stubbs the Angry Drunken Dwarf ?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) easy on the man
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) whoa folks
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) What time is it in Melbourne?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) he's not here to defend himself
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) I've seen roo's reach 6-7' squatting. The reds can be huge.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) just kidding
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) %:36 pm
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) 5:36
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) really darryl?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) that tall?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) wow
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) Thanks,
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:33) and yes Reds can be huge
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) Yep Sotiris.
<AllYourTLDsAreBelongToUs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) http://somebody.set.up.us.the.bomb/
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) are they farming roos commercially these days?
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) no
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) somebody has really been lying to me
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) Wild game only far as I know.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) is there a demandd for Kangaroos?
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:34) but some are slaughtered in meatworks licenced for human consumption and they are on some menu's
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) as boxing partners?
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) Some ppl have the taste for it.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) thats disgusting
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) Tasts fine and very low fat
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) i'd like to try it
<CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) better than them being undervalued
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) boxing with a roo that is
<RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:35) John Klensin's presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/klensin-IDN.html>. It is also linked off of the agenda of this meeting.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:36) oh they're back
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:36) Thanks rebecca
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:36) Judtih, i got your email :-)
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:36) Always this broken internet myth it can survive a nuclear war but not a few lines of code lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:36) exactly
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:36) spurious argument
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:39) Breaking Internet Uniformity is that like stealing .biz from biztld is that what they mean?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:42) Keith, I would like to talk with you regarding our past attempts to acquire a realname, particularly my communications with nanette Colon... is there an email address or a phone number i can reach you at?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:43) not that we're currently looking into realnames... we're not.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:43) but i was seriously disappointed
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:43) Would this are of discussion have anything to do with it being alright for Verisign to take money for "Pre-Registrations" in Multilingual domains?
<KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:43) keith@realnames.com
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:44) thanks
<KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:44) Your welcome
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:45) I sometimes have a leakage problem to
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:45) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:45) incontinence.com
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:45) There you go there is his answer and mine to
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:46) THis guy avoice hits some high pitches, Leakage?
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:47) He's putting me to sleep
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) This guy is smarter than any 12 other people put together. Nobody here would do bad to listen to what he has to say.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) octets
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) i'm listening
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) octets: 8 bits
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) not my forte
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) I had to learn it the hard way...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) me 2
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:48) Plato
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) in the Timaeus believe it or not
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) or greek
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) how true
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) yes
<NicR> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) yeah it does sound grrek to me now tha you mention it lol
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) I rather like his delivery.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:49) me 2
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:50) He is more clear than anyone yet
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:50) quite lucid
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:50) yes tags
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:50) big problem
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:51) i'll say
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:51) most complicated issue - most lucid statements
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:52) LANs with tight TTLs
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:52) This is one of the best presentations so far
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:52) His presentation ends, if you are not frightened, you don't understand the problem.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:53) ML registartions are premature
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:53) SS: ding!
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:53) please god someone listen to him
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:54) Isn't NSI / Verisign trying to use RACE as their ML system?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:55) won't work...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:55) good luck
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:55) lol
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:56) This is great stuff.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:56) This is what I always pictured ICANN to be about -- not politics
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:56) this is the most serious obstacle
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:56) KD: ding!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:57) case insensitivity is a major problematic for an ML schema
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:58) not in Greek
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:58) which is why the greeks admit the problem
<KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:58) Yves Arrouye (yves@realnames.com) is an expert on this stuff. He had to deal with these issues for our unicode implementation.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 01:59) never going to happen with the current dns
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:00) true
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) all three
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) good luck
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) "If you are not frightened,
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) You dont understand the
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) problem
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) sorry.. I meant that in one line.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:01) these are philosophical issues
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:02) not to mention that in greek and hebrew, letters are also numbers...
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:02) true that
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:02) How about Hebrew, with optional vowels? That's one of the real sticky problems.
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:03) handled in nameprep
<KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:03) Hi James
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:03) still not a sufficient solution...
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:03) Hi Keith ;-)
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:03) Chris, you shoulda tried learning Hebrew as a kid - just reading and writing it is hard.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:04) Judith, I did.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:04) Greek too
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:04) Right, James, but the working set of nameprep gives me nightmares.
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:04) Nameprep have a system which map optional vowels to nothing
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:04) not really...it is actually quite definitive
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:04) over 130 pages!
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:05) Definitive according to whom?! :-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:05) for sure
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:05) definitive? no way.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:05) hermeneutics
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:05) General Confusion: superior to Colonel Panic :-)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:06) A nice NSI rip.
<RobertConnelly> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:06) Test
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:07) James, who owns the mapping tables for nameprep? Are there any issues with governments, vis-a-vis the well-known "border of Kashmere" or "Name of Tiawan" problem?
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:07) tricks = buggy bind code?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:08) ML TLD registrations: I hope they will be giving refunds... some people have spent quite a bit of money (not me)
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:08) Not likely Sotiris
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) ambiguity level tolerant... alt hey we got alt already... ;-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) ah here it is
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) TM
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) listen up here folks
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) ha
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) What did he say about "if you're in the business of putting name into and taking them out of the database:?
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:09) My audio died.
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:10) Nameprep is a product of IETF and Unicode Consortium
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:10) product names in DNS
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:10) ownership remains within IETF if their is any concept of "owner" in IETF
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:10) James, ownership is ISOC, read the copyright
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:10) I misused the term (leakage! - where I used to work, "owner" means "responsible for")
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:11) MANY apologies for the misunderstanding.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:11) So let me restate...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:11) brb
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:11) Are there nationalistic issues in the nameprep mapping table?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:11) that was great!
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:12) best presentation i've seen from icann
<SimonHiggs> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:12) not from icann ;-)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:12) excellent!!!
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) from icann meeting
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) Ladies and gentlemen, in my opinion, THIS is what ICANN is supposed to be about.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) Technical coordination.
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) yes sir
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) I agree.
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) Let IETF do the work, and let ICANN manage the coordination of it.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) i agree chris
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) Absolutely
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) 'nite all
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:13) nite Gene
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) good night gene
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) nite gene
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) I'll have to catch the rest of this in the archives too. Nite all.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) nite Judith
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) nite J
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) Night
<GeneMarsh> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) 'nite johnboy
<JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:14) :-)
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:15) Please assume a Good in front of the night :)
<RayFassett> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:15) see you all next time
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:15) c ya ray
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:16) later ray
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:16) won't break the net, but won't work well
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:16) doesn't break the net.. but is a kludge and only works on some languages
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:16) exactly
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:16) Guessing domain names is BAD !
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:17) :)
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:17) no doubt
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:17) lol
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:18) nameprep is not a solution
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:18) it's a stopgap measure, quite temporary in scope
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) to get verisign to sell names
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) I think Chris' question about nationalistic issues is quite a good one. You should ask it Chris.
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) Personally, I think solutions are possible, the effective time of response from such a solution would not equal our current system however. To do that some large design changes would be necessary.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) huge darryl, huge
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) might as well build a new internet
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) :) Agreed
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:19) I will ask it. At IETF, in a couple weeks.
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:20) That is basically what is called for to retain even close to current response times.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:20) oh yeah
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:21) if it takes 3-4 minutes to resolve an address, what good will that be?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:21) not going to happen anytime soon
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:21) quite realistic
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:21) ha
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) ML should not go foward until we are ready for it.
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) I'm on a dialup from the bush, I'm used to such time delays LOL
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) verisign will continue to sell ML TLDs
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) And then what?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) despite this MAJOR problem
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) then nothing
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) phew...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:22) Very well done james
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:23) Thank you James
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:23) This is what ICANN meetings should be like
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:23) Katoh is SPOT ON.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:23) yes!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:23) good luck to 'em
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:23) Tell VeriSign / NSI to stop now!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:24) not going to happen
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:24) just think of the interest they're making on those $'s
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:25) who's going to make the public aware? verisign?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:25) ha!
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:25) we have to
<RebeccaNesson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:26) Amadeu Abril i Abril's presentation is available at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/melbourne/archive/presentations/amadeu-MLingual.html>. It is also linked off the agenda for this meeting.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:26) VGRS's own Multilingual DNS FAQ states, "domain.com for a given language will be stored as bq--gde6djht.com." Since RACE describes an algorithm, the converse is true: bq--gde6djht will be rendered as "domain" in a given language. Which means that someone really clever might register in ASCII domains that, when RACEd, correspond to, say, famous names or trademarks in a given language.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:27) ha!
<JamesSeng> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:27) yes...most of the major names like CHINA.com and TAIWAN.com has been cybersquattered even before the testbed started
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:27) yes... this is the beginning of major problems
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:27) napsterization!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:28) Amadeu!!! good for you!!!
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:28) wasn't a big enough stick of incense I guess...
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:28) bravo Amadeu!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:29) surprise surprise
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:29) did someone say recession?
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:29) how about depression/
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:30) BRAVO AMADEU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:30) somehow i don't think there will be any announcement made tomorrow
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:31) How does VeriSign deal with the cybersquatting problem? RESOLVED [EC01.6], that until such time as the Board can further consider the matter, the Vice President and General Counsel is authorized temporarily to waive terms of the Registry Agreement between ICANN and Network Solutions, Inc. (also known as VeriSign Global Registry Services) as necessary to permit blocking of initial registration through non-testbed means of second-level domains within the .com, .net, and .org top-level dom
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:31) Translation: Until the board figures comes up with a damage-control plan, Louis Touton pretty much has carte blanche to stomp out multilingual-testbed-style domains we don't like.
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:32) toutonology
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:36) Sklavos must be fuming!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:37) let me at him!!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:37) who'd like to see me take Sklavos on in a Greco_roman wrestling match?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:38) as long as you both wear clothes
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:38) wiht a kangaroo as referee
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:38) we'll wear tights with verisign ads on the butt
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:39) lol
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:39) He'll be wearing his $5000 Armani suit
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:39) DCrock!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:39) not if i rip it off his back
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:42) does Crock speak any other language?
<ChristopherAmbler> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:42) Signing off... see you all tomorrow.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:42) nite chris
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:42) does he have any idea of what he's talking about/
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:42) nite chris
<RobertConnelly> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:42) Paul?
<RobertConnelly> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:43) Paul are you there?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:43) alternative root?
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:43) sorry... "non inclusive root"?
<RobertConnelly> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:43) Paul Stahura?
<PaulStahura> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:44) bob, double click my name to talk just to me
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:44) good james!!!
<SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:45) good nite all
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:45) there are some closed door meetings to attend now.
<KendallDawson> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:45) nite everyone
<KeithTeare> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:45) bye all
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:45) :-))
<Dassa_Lynch> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:46) Good night all
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:46) what happened to the feed?
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:47) I see it...
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:47) It just stopped - no audio, video frozen, time 0000
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:48) I'm on media player, secondary feed
<urgen> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:48) but the meeting's over n e way
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:48) tried to replay and got file not found
<LeahG-dotBIZTLD> (Mon, March 12, 2001 at 02:49) oh well, nite