| Nickname - Message |
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| <BenEdelman> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:14) We have now begun. |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:15) Mirjam Kuehne's presentation on the RIR's is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/rir.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:30) Rita Rodin's presentation on gTLD Registries is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/rodin.html |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:44) Am I the only one having sound problems? |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:44) The video+sound was screwed for me; I've switched over to audio feed only and I'm okay. |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:44) 'sok. Don't much like looking at Karl's visage anyways. :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:45) But I like to hear what he has to say - and here the replies. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:45) (had to go to 28.8 to get reasonable feed) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:45) Ben, what's up? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:45) Quality of the sound in the room isn't great as well |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:46) When I hear it, I hear it fine. Then it just silences, completely. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:46) it works ok for me |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:46) So if you're in the room, Joe, what are they saying? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:47) There is too much boom and reverberation to be precise. |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:47) I just follow the scribe's notes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:48) The scribe notes are very limited, and usually sanitized. |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:48) I have checked the links and they are all working correctly. |
| <AmandaMoger> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:49) It sounds fine to me. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:49) Oh well, I'm now at audio only too. |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:49) Milton is better to follow |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 11:53) Peter de Blanc's presentation on ccTLDs is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/cctld.html |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:02) Peter de Blanc's presentation is now also linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:08) It hasn't been bc telephone for at least a year. It's now telus. |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:12) Philip Sheppard's presentation on constituency resolutions is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/sheppard.html |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:14) Philip Sheppard's presentation is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:15) an entire DNSO and that's all they could do on security? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:15) I guess ecurity is not as important as Intellectual Property! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:15) what a joke |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:16) pathetic |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:18) They're worried about the security of their legal protections. :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:18) ha! |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:18) Well, it's got security in the sentence. Give 'em credit for that. :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:19) :-) |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:19) I like that Trust me I am an Engineer :)) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:19) your IP lawyer? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:19) perhaps |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:19) yeah right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:20) my sentiments exactly! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:20) and I'm not from governement |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:20) imagine that |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:20) Never trust anyone when it comes to security, just calculate the risks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:21) say... where's Joe Baptista? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:21) Ask Joe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:21) ;-) |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:24) What's that about the root servers? The GAC wants to take over?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:24) what else s new? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:24) yes, perhaps China? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:25) maybe it's a good idea if China were to control the root servers? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:26) Surely would ensure transparency ;-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:26) lol |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:27) verisign says china will have more people online than the rest of the world combined in 4 years. mebbe they will run it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:27) online in China perhaps |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:27) but not on the www |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:27) so, I could not care less |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:28) what is the www? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:28) the world wide web |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:28) as opposed to the chinese national network |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:28) so there will be more people in the world not on it than on it, which is worldwide? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:29) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:29) China is a closed, xenophobic society |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:29) not the people perhaps |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:29) but their government |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:29) internet restictions in china are strict |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:30) and you expect the same in 4 years? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:30) and not likely to evaporate |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:30) we'll see |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:30) at least for the next 4 years.. |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:30) Internet restrictions in the middle east are probably more draconian yet; and yet many years have passed without those restrictions being lessened. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:31) and not likely to be |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:32) so far as I can tell, there will be no amazon.cn or amazon.com.cn inthe near future |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:32) given current trends I'll have a wristwatch with wireless hispeed net well within 4 years. how do you stop that? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:32) not i china |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:32) in' |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:36) who he and what's the topic? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:37) dunno |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:37) paul twomey and gac |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:42) When he speaks for "governments", is he speaking for "governments" such as that in Libya, Iraq, Myanmar, Afghanistan, etc? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:43) Jun Murai's presentation on the root servers is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/rssac.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:43) they aren't active in the gac are they? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:43) they've got ccTLD's |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:44) not all of them, but the Libyans do |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:44) No they are not inthe gac and Twomey did not speak for them me thinks |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:45) are you suggesting they lose their ccTLDs John? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:46) I am suggesting that the performance of services under contract to a party in Libya is illegal for a US company |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:46) if they don't have a license from Treasury, then they cannot continue the service of maintaining .ly in the root without breaking the law |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:46) the assignment of country codes is UN based, no? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:46) no, it has nothing to do with the UN |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:47) Doesn't DoC approve the delegation?? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:47) no, these were inherited IANA delegations |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:47) ICANN inherited IANA's contractual obligations |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:48) DoC never approved the .ly delegation, which arose when such delegations were personally made by Jon Postel |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:48) OK. But where is the problem now? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:49) Continued performance of the service of maintaining .ly in the root is continued performance of a contractual service on behalf of a party in Libya. Performance should be discontinued to comply with the law. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:49) TLD registration, just like SLD registration, is an ongoing service. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:50) John, ccTLDs are based on ISO-3166-1, which is maintained by the United Nations |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:51) Gary, the existence of ISO-3166 only provided a list of letter codes, so that Postel wouldn't have to make up his own. that standard of the ITU does not determine who gets them, and is based on geographic locations of microwave towers, which is why uninhabited islands such as .cc have them |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:52) perhaps one of the root servers should be in Libya? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:52) are they members of the GAC too? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:52) lol |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:53) .ps was requested by the US state department to be delegated to the palestinian authorities before it was on the list. Also UK was not happy with .gb from the ISO list, and so the rules were bent a bit to give them .uk |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:53) agreed |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) still, if a country has a seat in the UN are you suggesting they not have a ccTLD? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) ahahah |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) even Iraq is under a UN security council resolution relating to trade |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) "not so much the other life in this field" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) Andy M. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) classic |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:54) quote |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:55) agreed again, john, still they don't lose their seat. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:55) at this meeting, Andy Muehller has impressed me greatly. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:55) yah, well, when the US government says "freeze their US assets" then their assets get frozen, regardless of where they put their seat |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:55) it's hard to sit when your assets are frozen |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:55) from his "procedural bullshit" comment to today's active participation |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:56) if you know what i mean |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:57) heh heh, ya. still, is the iraq UN rep's car or apartment an asset? Who sold or rented them, etc.... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:57) psinet in bankruptcy? Welllll |
| <Miraj-Khaled> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:58) forgive me, but Mr.Berryhill: Are you suggesting that ccTLD's are "U.S. Assets"??!! |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:58) take a look at what happened when the Afghan Taleban Mission to the UN was denied recognition... In any event domain name registration is not subject to diplomatic immunity, and does not relate to diplomatic activity |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:59) yes, ccTLDs most certainly are U.S. Assets. The authoritative root server is operated under contract to the US government, is located in the US, and the only reasone we are watching this show here is due to authority derived between a contract between ICANN and the US Department of Commerce |
| <Miraj-Khaled> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 12:59) and is it the opinion of ppl here that U.S. govt. or DoC "owns" the registration process of internet TLD's?? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:00) without cooperation from the rest of the world, the US asset would be limited to the US. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:00) the "asset control" regulations also cover performance of "services" under contract |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:00) ask yourself when the US stopped "owning" the process |
| <Miraj-Khaled> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:01) then you also claim that you ppl own the whole Internet also....because you invented it?? Don't you John?? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:01) John, my questions were due to curiousity, not disagreement. OTOH, if your position is followed, so what? It barely if at all restricts terrorist activity. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:01) No Mr. Khaled. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:02) Gary, I'm just asking that the law be obeyed. That's not much of a radical request. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:02) agreed |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:02) I don't think mattress tags have much effect either. Bottom line - the law is the law. |
| <Miraj-Khaled> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:02) that's exactly why ICANN should be immediately removed from U.S soil and headquartered in Switzerland or some neutral country. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:02) Again OTOH, isn't this something for USG, not ICANN? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:03) Mr. Khaled, that does not change the fact that ICANN's authority derives by contract with the US government. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:03) No, Gary, read ICANN's obligations under the MoU. Obeying the law is everyone's responsibility. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:03) Hong Kong government? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:04) isn't hat mainland China? |
| <Miraj-Khaled> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:04) yes.. i understand that Mr. Berryhill.....and that's my fear also.that at somepoint in future U.S. govt. may use that as leverage to bock access to the internet to a whole population from some " rogue" country. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:05) John, if ICANN does nothing then is the next step the USG? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:05) am i to understand that China has two cctild's? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:05) Which is why, Mr. Khaled, that those who share your concern about US government control may wish to consider that there is nothing magic about the "authoritiative" root server system. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) .hk and .cn? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) is that two vaotes in the ccso? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) yes, sotiris, that is nothing new. the ccTLD .cc is the Cocos Islands, which is a possession of Australia. there are lots of ccTLDs like that, including some US protectorates |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) votes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) .vi |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) etc |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) there's also TW |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:06) taiwan |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:07) .aq is antarctica - go figure that out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:07) ha! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:08) who votes for it? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:08) penguins |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:08) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:08) the sam ones who steal the visa card in that commercial? |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:08) Get your freewilly.aq, while supplies last. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:09) what about Sealand? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:09) .pr is puerto rico... iso-3166 was never intended to be a list of "countries", and the ccTLDs don't correspond to UN seats either.... .vi is US virgin Islands |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:09) the Principality of Sealand? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:10) time for lunch.... have fun all |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:11) time for coffee and a fag :) |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:11) The meeting is now in a break. It will start again in 15 minutes. |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:16) Ooh. Erasure. :) |
| <safesys> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:24) i love the music on the realaudio feed |
| <safesys> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:25) i assume you have the relevant licenses to be broadcasting that ben... |
| <JudithOppenheimer1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:28) Becca, great music. :-) |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:29) Indeed. Makes up for not being there. :) |
| <safesys> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:29) "it wasn't me" by shaggy seems so so apt |
| <safesys> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:30) pity they cut it short though |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:35) safesys: LOL |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:35) just got back |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:35) ah.. look, it's my fellow Canadian Andrew M. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:36) notice the neutral English |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:36) language |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:36) sure sign of Canuckism |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:37) I can almost smell the pine-fresh scent with a hint of maple. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:37) many canadians end up as newscaster is the us for this reason |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:37) don't forget the spruce and maple trees |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:37) ;-) |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) Are there also rednecks north of the border? ;-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) and the syrup |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) oh yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) many |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) grreat |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) they let their hair grow long |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) to hide it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) even if they're balding |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) on top |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:38) ;-) |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:39) we need more rednecks in icann me thinks :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:39) it might help |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:39) hahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:39) who though? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:39) ;-) |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) I hereby put myself up for election. :) |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) you have my vote |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) ahahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) I'm of Greek descent, although born in Canada |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) I don't look like a redneck |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) I promise better support for our unions and for the agricultural workers out there who are sorely unrepresented by ICANN. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:40) but I sound like one. |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) Together, we can brew a better beer, if not build a better Internet. :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) hey it's dave! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) lol |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) i'd like that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) greg |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) i'm a hoser, eh! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) did someone say beer? |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) Hey, take off, man. :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:41) hehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:42) heh: the Patriot. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:42) Dave |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:42) is |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:42) Uncle Sam |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:42) we're lucky to have him |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:42) ;-) |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:43) ...hunger... taking... over... can't think.... Good luck, everyone. Y'all have a nice day. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:43) BTW my friends know me as "Sam" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:43) bye Greg |
| <GregoryBlock> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:43) *wave* |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:44) did anyone here read my piece on Internet Users? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:44) any comments? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:44) clean-shaven today! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:45) I'm watching eric. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:45) rather subdued today. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:47) bravo Karl. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:48) bravo Andy! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:49) honesty |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:49) at last |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:49) I like this guy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:49) bravo AtLarge! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:50) hehe |
| <JudithOppenheimer1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:51) Who's this guy talking? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:52) Russ? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:52) something? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:52) Rebecca? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:52) ben? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:52) This is Russ Mundy. |
| <JudithOppenheimer1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:52) thnx. |
| <JudithOppenheimer1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:58) The plenary speaker yesterday from Japan said it was a knee jerk reaction. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:59) it's a difference of opinion |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:59) they're entitled to it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:59) ;-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 13:59) Sometimes there's a difference between opinion, and observation. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:06) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:06) (sorry, i was multitasking) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:09) who is this gentleman? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:09) Jean_Paul |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:10) ? |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:10) Harald Feld, attorney |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:10) not this one |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:10) the previous |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:11) chuck gomes? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:11) the immediately previous was chuck gomes of verisign |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:11) sorry, the antepenult |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:11) the one before Gomes |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:11) Lars Lihman? |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) sorry, Liman |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) I thought it was Jean-Paul something? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) Jouve |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) ah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) thnx |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) he was before Liman |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:12) oh? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:13) i see |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:23) Ben, today's webcast is quite good quality from where I'm at |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:23) on 56k! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:23) the audio has been good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:23) QoS on video is choppy as expected |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:24) but nonetheless, a definite improvement |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:24) over Monday |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:24) why is this? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:26) Ben? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:26) is it the sponsorship? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:26) do they pay more for this portion? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:27) Rebecca? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:28) do you have any input? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:28) Sotiris, our network connectivity has speeded up. The staff is the same and there is no additional sponsorship for this. Maybe they just get better with a few days to work on it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:28) every time? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:28) The staff that provides the network connectivity is generally provided by the local host committee. |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:29) So it is not the same at each meeting, but it is the same for the duration of any one meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:29) is that efficient? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:29) or necessary? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:29) what ar you there for? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:29) or Ben? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:30) Running an ethernet connection to this ballroom wouldn't do a whole lot of good without the webcasting! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:30) so you're webcasters? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:31) and the locals have no experience in that? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:33) is the service up for contract renewal? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:35) Ben? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:35) Becca? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:40) ICANN sez, don't buy microsoft |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:40) wow |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:40) well, in so many words :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:40) pretty much |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:41) near monopoly and all that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:41) I smell a Euro plot |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:41) muahaha |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:41) didja hear about the pr0n sites hijacking the msn search function in IE? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:43) really? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:44) nope |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:44) when? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:46) they're still doing it. you open an html email or go to a website with a bit of code and it rewrites your registry to point the default search to a prOn site. It rewrites the hostfile on users machine. Blokzijl is right. Someone could instead reset endusers machines as zombies for a DDoS attack. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:51) Is the meeting over? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:51) just about. |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) Out for lunch |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) two hours? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) Kendall |
| <KendallDawson> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) is this a meeting ? I thought this was a soap opera |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) ha! |
| <KendallDawson> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) hi |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) Hi Kendall. :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) the Love Boat! |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) Does anyone know the lyrics to Louie Louie? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) they're goint to wash andy's mouth out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) Andrew the Cruise Director |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) and the rest of the Crew |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:52) Did he screw up again? |
| <KendallDawson> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) Money Money.... Loius! Louis! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) (Andrew)? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) The meeting will start again at 2:00PM. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) ahaha |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) We don't get music during the breaks anymore? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) brb |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) Which is what time in NY? |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) 5pm |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) 5 pm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) i'll see y'all then |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) two hourse from what time it is now |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:53) amazing innit? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) OK, thanks. My connection today has been terrible. Did I miss anything substantive? |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) farce, John |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) are you joking? it's an icann meeting |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) to avoid substantive issues |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) as usual |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) no motions. wait till later |
| <KendallDawson> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) see you all later |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) what was the result of this? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) ttfn |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:54) Hi John. Loved your tutorial on dealing with embargoed nations etc. Now that was informative. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:55) thanks |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:55) Register.com apparently invited the Iraqis to change registrars, so I need to update the info |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:55) John, how does one deal with registrars outside the US? |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:56) while the registries are here? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:56) don't know, don't care. US laws apply to US companies |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:57) Registry - If I, in the US, sell a boat to some guy in France, and he uses it to ply trade with Iraqis, that does not mean *I* am doing business with Iraqis |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:57) that is the position of the registries |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:58) ok, that's a clarification |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:58) or, I should say, the "thin" registries |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:58) Afilias, for example, is a "thick" registry (in more ways than one), and is differently situated from, say, the .com registry |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:59) ditto anNoylevel |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:59) even so. the registry is doing business with the registrar and not the registrant in your example |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:59) the .biz-arre registry |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 14:59) exactly, yes |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:00) I can wholesale to you..... who you retail to is your problem |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:00) so the us based registrars must be the ones who cannot take registrations from embargoed countries |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:00) correct. |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:00) gotcha |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:01) interesting |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:01) under US law.... now, your mileage may vary in other countries.... Canada has Iraq sanctions, as do many other countries, pursuant to national recognition and implementation of a UN security council resolution suggesting same |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:01) but that would be incumbant on the registrar in those countries to obey their own laws |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:02) it is incumbent on any business anywhere to obey the laws of its jurisdiction - the odd thing I've found in the last few weeks is that when you talk about domain name registrars, people look at you funny for making that same simple statement |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:03) why is that odd? to me it is expected :) |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:03) where is the list of US embargoed countries? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:03) I hear you.... it is as if the only law which survives on the internet is trademark law. |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:04) tm law doesn't even do that. It has been perverted and expanded by ICANN, so it's a joke |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:04) Terrorists? Oh, they're okay.... but we gotta get them there cybersquatters |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:04) guess I'm a cybersquatter. I have many names, but not for sale |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:05) and not yet in use |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:05) mmmm..... UDRP results have IMHO turned something of a corner.... there have been a fat lot of RDNH holdings lately... I've lost count |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:06) armani.com , cream.com, intellink.com ... those are just a few of the RDNH cases of late |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:07) maggi.com was a funny RDNH holding against Nestle |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:08) anyhow... hope to check in for the festivities later... have fun all |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:08) cya |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:09) nap time |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 15:09) oh.... you can get embargo data at www.ustreas.gov/ofac - lots of interesting stuff there |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 16:30) hello |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 16:43) Hi Leah and Judith |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:04) becca, can you give me the URL again for public input? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:05) have I missed much since lunch? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:06) hi sotiris, I just joined too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:06) hi joop |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:06) is this the ghana team? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:07) I want to try and ask the question about the inactivity of the NC review task force. What is the URL for input? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:07) what's with the cap? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:07) hey |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:07) I like it |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:07) Pleased??? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:08) with vint's cap |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:08) i want one |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:08) If you come to Accra.. |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:09) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/realtime/ask.asp |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:09) that's the url for the submission form Joop |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:10) hey |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:10) they've all got caps |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:10) weee |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:10) caps with props? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:11) ... and black helicopters. zzzzzzzzzrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:11) not "quite ready" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:11) ha! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:13) "counterbalance" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:14) i'll say |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:14) escalation |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:15) no kidding |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:15) oh boy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:15) say... why isn't Katoh-san wearing a hat? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:16) aw man |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) more? |
| <LizBartlett> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) surprise surprise |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) which groups? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) bullshit! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) Bullshit! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:17) Bullshit! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:19) This is what Bildt said in his press conference last week. All you had to do was listen between the lines. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:19) hmm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:19) there we go |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:20) Jeff Williams |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:20) ahaha |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:21) but seriously |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:21) that was not funny at all, this esther dyson thing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:22) they're mocking Jeff Williams |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:23) publily |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:23) publicly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:23) that's disturbing |
| <LizBartlett> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:23) who? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:23) exactly |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:25) Is this an IDNO member? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:25) I agree |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:25) wholeheartdly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:25) "on point of view" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:25) one |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:26) This whole issue of "leasing" needs to be revoiewed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:26) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:26) i agree |
| <LizBartlett> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:27) it is just a revenue stream - I see no technical reason for it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:27) how about "time" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:27) is that technical? |
| <LizBartlett> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:29) Why should names "expire"? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:29) someone is paying for the server roots |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:29) to exist |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:29) the dispute is not there |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:30) if you buy property (real estate) in the real world you still have to pay taxes |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:30) someone is paying for TLD servers, upkeep, security, databases |
| <LizBartlett> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:30) paying to be in the server root over time, sure. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:30) my question about the NC task Force is in the queue |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:30) good |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:30) the server root is for TLDs, not SLDs |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:31) TLD servers are for TLDs |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:34) bravo Harold! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:40) good |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:40) Ben, can you bring the on-line questions to the attention of the Chair? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:40) bad |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:41) oh boy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:41) why do these people take up public input time? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:42) Damn, its so well orchestrated! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:42) which "other parties"? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:42) no kidding |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:42) price gouging is the reason why Africans have so few DNs |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:43) How about your OWN review?? Phil Sheppard!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:43) oh look marilyn cade will also speak during public input time |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:44) It looks they will not read the question and they have to fill the time |
| <Vlad> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:47) hello |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:47) hi vlad |
| <Vlad> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:48) why isn't there any discussion? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:49) bravo Karl! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:49) See, the BC wants to be in th eNational Councils, Corporates will dominate the AL |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:49) of course |
| <proxx> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:50) have they talked about the registrars selling their bandwidth to special customers? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:50) thrassos |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:51) slick, but very hostile |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:51) (effrontery) |
| <CharlesShaban> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:51) Do you mean ISPs, since registrars has no effect in the bandwidth issues |
| <proxx> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:51) no no ...registrars |
| <proxx> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:51) bandwidth in the sense of |
| <proxx> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:52) how many connections are registrars allowed to make with NSI |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:52) access to data, you mean |
| <CharlesShaban> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:52) Ah, thank you |
| <proxx> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:52) i'm talking about expired domain names |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:52) bravo milton |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:52) precisely |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:53) Milton is still standing tall, has a lot of problems on his ML too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:53) yes! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:54) thank you Milton! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:54) He echo's what I said in Montevideo |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:54) Ah! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:55) Ben, please forward my question to Dr. Cerf. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:56) me neither |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:56) not a clue |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:56) what did he say? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:56) everything and nothing |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:57) He acknowledges the replies, but has no justification why it was not included |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:59) why must these people speak now? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 17:59) is this really the public? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:00) sotiris, we gave to cultivate the ccTLD's |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:00) if they support us, it will help |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:00) *if* |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:01) Some cc's still don't allow Individuals to register, but it is changing |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:01) If they form an SO, we have to be part of that one too, just like the dnso |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:02) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:02) the "god text" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:02) good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:02) text |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:03) we also have to work inside MINC |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:04) ccTLD's are the last bastion that ICANN has to conquer |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:05) the friction with ICANN staff is serious |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:05) see how they regard the ALSC as a Board exeCom |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:06) arm twisting is the word |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:06) hm |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:06) bull |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:06) .au has signed, but its still the only one |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:06) WHAT collaboration |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:07) blackmail to the cc's |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:09) blockzijl is acting like a board meber grilling the ceo. Good on him! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:09) blokzijl |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:10) ah , Peter DT |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:10) Vint will want to "take this offline" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:11) oh boy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:11) hmmm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:11) delicate stuff |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:12) go Peter |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:12) ah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:12) yes |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:12) Peter wants Board seats |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:13) Ben, did you submit all the questions posted? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:13) where does the ccSO fit in? :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:14) there are no Board seats reserved for a ccSO |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:14) Judith, we do not submit all questions received. We submit on-topic questions on a first-come first-served basis. Vint has your comment in hand right now. It is in his discretion now. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:14) Becca, did you or Ben submit all the questions posted? |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:14) maybe there will be |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:15) Gee, it was me or Crocker ... what're the chances? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:15) first name basis |
| <NotMe> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:15) Take a lesson, folks. You're listening to a world-class arse kisser here. You can all learn a lot! |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:15) thnx |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:16) Judith, I hope they read your question. It's rather critical to their legitimacy |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:16) I'd say. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:16) world class indeed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:16) what's the ? judith? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:17) yes? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:17) what is your questin? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:17) On November 8th ICANN President Stuart Lynn held a press conference, during which he said, and I quote, "No decision could be taken on the ALSC. ICANN's ByLaws require a period for comment from it's Supporting Organizations and that would be the case whatever the agenda next week." |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:18) Did I just hear Dr. Cerf say that a decision would be taken today, whether on the "basics" or the details of the report? What about Mr. Lynn's assurance of November 8th that no decision would be taken? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:18) ah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:18) good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:18) q |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:18) crocker want to make sure that Individuals cannot dominate the AL |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:18) they will not take it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:19) good |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:20) stuff |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:20) tucows |
| <NotMe> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:21) smile! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:21) Do I see Bob Conelly behind Elliott? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:21) shock |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:21) well i'll be... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:22) it's not clear at all ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:22) not at all |
| <NotMe> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:23) give Christopher a cigar! |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:23) who's speaking? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:24) chris chiu |
| <NotMe> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:24) Christopher Chiu |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:24) thxs |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:24) hi Joanna, |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:24) hi Joop! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:25) good guy. He ghas a serious fallout with CORE/afilias |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:26) huh? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:26) the toilet paper huh? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:26) Oh yes, I kow Don Heath |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:32) Joanna, did you hear Phil Sheppards reply , as to why he had ignore dour input to the review TF? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:32) no ... |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:32) No joop |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:33) (not Joanna, but want to know too) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:33) check back the video record..:) |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:33) paraphrase? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:34) did you say paraphrase? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:34) as if that were possible.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:35) the "agreed words" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:35) mirth huh? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:37) Joop, why did PH ignore it? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:37) mirth ... brought to you by .coop, .aero a close second |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:39) Do I get the impression that Lynn spent a good part of the day "correcting impressions" made by other people? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:39) surprise |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:40) Judtih, are you just press? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:40) sp. sorry |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:40) Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:40) "just press"? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:40) i get your ibtolfree |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:40) icbtollfree |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:41) Good, I hope you like it. See http://JudithOppenheimer.com too. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:41) but i don't hear from you anymore in the GA etc.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:41) nor in the IDNO |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:41) Was never too active in either. Right now ENUM is taking up a great deal of my time. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:42) you realize that answer does not satisfy.. right? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:42) no control over revenues? could have fooled me. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:43) No. What do you mean? (Dare I ask ...) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:43) we're all busy people, I'm sure. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:43) I think your input would be valuable. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:44) Sotiris, thank you; I help where I can, and maintain contact with individuals are more active members. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) ENU |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) ENUM, fyi, is not unrelated to domain name issues ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) but judithoppenheimer.com is.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) it is? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) you own |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:45) right? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:46) The name? The site? The company? what? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:46) the domain name, it's site, your business. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:46) all of it. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:46) Yes. It's my business; ICB News is the publishing arm of ICB Consulting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:47) sole proprietorship? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:48) never mind |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:49) I was just trying to ascertain whether you are for or against individual property rights |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:49) silly me |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:49) to expect a simple answer |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:50) shit |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:50) bravo |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:50) ben?> |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:50) what about that? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:50) will it be struck? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:51) Hi, I 'm back My realplayer froze |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:52) About Phil Sheppard: he said that the comments were received, but he had not included them in the TF report . No justification. |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:52) Joop, I didn't make comments of Review TF, that was Roberto |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:54) I mean the specific answers to the questions asked from the constituency applicants. I did those |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:54) I applied to be on the Transfer TF, that has been ignored |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:54) n offense, but i'm not surprised |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:54) oic |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:54) Phil Shepprt and his Task Forces needs to be grilled by the Board |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:55) But , of course that will not happen , unless Karl would see fit |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:58) the excomm is needed to pass everything they sluffed here |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:59) Who nominated the cadidates? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 18:59) I'm disappointed that Karl did not object them holding meetings of the ExCom without informing the Board. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:00) Again , whoi nominated? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:00) the staff nominated the candidates, no matter what they say |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:00) Is Karl is on the Excom now? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:00) no |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:02) excomm is pisanty, quaynor, kyong, kraaijenbrink, lynn |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:02) Ah, Stuart Lynn made these proposals |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:02) ya |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:02) thanks Gary - no need to worry about the At Large contingent then... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:03) I've had enough, time for a workout. ciao |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:03) See you sotiris |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:03) how's that joanna? |
| <Becca> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:03) All of the draft resolutions are available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/res/draft-resolutions.html and are linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:04) which of these names is an AL Director? excomm is pisanty, quaynor, kyong, kraaijenbrink, lynn |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:05) ah, gotcha, you're quite right |
| <JoeKavalier> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:06) quaynor, kyong |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:09) G-d works in mysterious ways. |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:47) WIPO will make a mess of this one too |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 19:48) Good for Andy |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:00) right on |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:01) Hello Joanna, I am still busy, but it's good to see you here again |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:01) Hi Joop, did you read the ALSC resolution? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:03) interesting that cohen seems alone a lot lately |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:06) Is it in the scribe notes? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:08) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/res/draft-resolutions.html |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:08) look at ALSC and Restructuring |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:11) I note "directors selected through the At Large process" rather than "publicly elected directors" |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:11) still reading further |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:15) Yes, they also adopt the ALSC idea's for restructuring and create a restructuring committee of the Board |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:17) Still fixating on "local" organizations and refusing to recognize that there is no "local" on the Net. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:18) "Amadeu let me ask you" just the tone for staff it address a Board member? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:24) interesting thing on icannwatch regarding alsc: http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=460&mode=nested&order=1 |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:25) I lost my line ... what I miss? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:25) they're starting alsc |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:25) IOW, the Staff will spend money to implement elections as per ALSC |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:25) they read through the ALSC resolution |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:26) nah, Cerf said they're just gonna discuss it, remember? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:26) well, he wuz wrong |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:26) wrong's a nice word for it |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:26) the resolution is tones down with respect to commitments, but further empowers the ALSC |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:26) and the staff |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:27) how can they justify spending money on the ALSO elections, before having fully discussed it? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:27) I can believe vint didn't know what this said till he read it, the staff don't clear it with him beforehand |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:28) this is a new version of the resolution |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:29) We have to address IDNH input to Andy and Karl. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:34) This was brokered earlier today. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:34) how's that judith? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:34) Andy is doing good work here |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:34) How's what? Andy's suggestions? Good. But watch what happens with it. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:35) Vader Hans |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:35) hmmmm |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:35) just wondering what was brokered... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:35) What you're reading. |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:35) well of course the Board has to meet! |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:35) gess... |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:36) gees even! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:36) k, who brokered it? between whom and whom? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:36) email me later |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:37) I owe you one anyway :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:37) :-) |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:37) the CEO pulls rank |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:37) give me a break ... which is what the board does, no? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:37) The CEO is rank, is more like it |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:38) haha |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:38) better defer this resolution altogether until it can be agreed |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:38) Hans wants to make sure that no concessions are made in the at large process withou his say-so |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:39) Gee, not as much consensus as Esther thought |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:40) I hope Andy holds his ground. |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:40) me, too |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:40) me 3 |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:40) me 4 |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:40) we have consensus then :) |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:40) seems so |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:41) anybosy got a mike? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:41) andy is no match for some of his opponents, I'm afraid |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:41) gee, let's poll the remote attendees :) |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:41) ie. start spending money |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:41) Maybe this is important enough for the board to be involved ... duh ... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:41) joop, at least the press can pick up the dissent... |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:42) give you guidance? I thought it was the Board's job to give guidance to the CEO |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:42) gary, the press does, from time to time, but it doesn't seem to make any difference |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:42) not in the upside down word of icann |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:43) well, it beats appearing to have consensus, and if you missed it, see the dissent on icannwatch: http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=460&mode=nested&order=1 |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:44) No Abril, we should leave it up to boardsquatters |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:44) let's see if Karl speaks up |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:45) IOW, Amadeu preferes not to have to make any decisions, just leave everything to Lynn |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:46) "basis for further discussion" |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:47) I wonder if Karl checks his email in front of him... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:48) Then he shouldn't mind the phrase's exclusion |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:48) what do you want to say to him Joop/ |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:48) :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:49) Abou the "selection" rather than "election" |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:50) go for it |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:52) this is rubbish |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:52) why not just remove "consistent with the ALSC report"? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:53) the report saw only very little modification after the last comment period. But the comment almost unanimously asked for changes! |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:54) but the Board then only hears the proposals that the CEO filters |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:55) that is why we have to talk oine on one with individual Board members |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:55) Boy, if Lynn has to negotiate with the board his level of participation he doesn't have a lot of support, does he. |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:55) true |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:55) Is anyone else's sound garbled, or only mine? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:56) mines clea Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:56) Good, Karl. |
| <Leah_G> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:56) and the NAIS report is ignored, of course |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:56) of course Leah, because it's not an ICANN funded initiative |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:57) that willl be voted down |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:57) just like any proposals not submitted through the CEO will be ignored |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:57) this reminds me of UN SEC council 242 :-( |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:59) Who abstained? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:59) Amadeu |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:59) judith, my sound and video have been flakey thru the whole meeting, and I've tried every realplayer and wmplayer stream, changed settings etc. Have never seen it so bad. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 20:59) Nope. And it always gets worse when important stuff is being discussed. Always. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:00) maybe more people log on? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:00) doubt it |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:00) If anything remote participation this time is real light. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:00) seems like a low online turnout |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:01) Judith are you on dial up, or cable/ dsl? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:01) Dial-up. Which is how I've always done it. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:03) at least he recognizes the flaws! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:03) Lack of logic and lack of substantiation of the conclusions |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:05) Does anyone else have the problem that you lose the whole chat as soon as someone talks privately |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:05) yep |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:05) is that with the java app? |
| <Joanna> (Thu, November 15, 2001 at 21:05) that doesn't happen on IRC |
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